Re: Very slow page rendering
In article <553f4721debrian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan <brian.jord...@btinternet.com> wrote: > In article <000a3379.01eff490b...@smtp.freeola.net>, >Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote: > > http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/atari/gemtk/guiwin.c > > This page takes abut 20mins to download and render, Highwire browser > > takes about 6sec. > > I think the difference is that Highwire doesn't handle the css > > so maybe there could be some performance gains to be had in > > either downloading or the css handling ? > FWIW on this virtual RPC with JavaScript and css running the > download/render process takes c10.5 seconds. Takes 34.9 seconds on this SA RPC using Netsurf 3.3. Tried it on Windows box on Firefox and it loaded in less than a couple of seconds. Display on both Firefox and Netsurf seemed essentially the same - just a heading and then a page of 1430 numbered lines of code. Is that what it is supposed to look like? Doesn't seem to be much rendering going on! Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Google
In article d57cefc054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 8 May 2015, Bernard Boase wrote: On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead. [Snip] It gives the usual 'error setting certificate verify locations' I've tried it a few times and I don't get that error message. When does it appear for you - at the start of a search or at some other point? Using NS 3.2 (26 August 2014) Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Google
In article 20150508125407.ga2...@kyllikki.org, Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 01:26:32PM +0100, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? [Snip] We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that would be good as I have been unable to find someone to contact. This affects all non javascript browser (or those with it turned off) and cannot be worked around. Strangely, though, it continues to work just fine with Browse, Fresco, Oregano and Oregano 2! That's 'just fine' in that Google search works as expected - and very quickly in Browse, Oregano and Fresco - and not 'just fine' in the appearance of the fetched pages. Given that three of the above browsers make no attempt at any form of JS it puzzles me why it is that NetSurf (v3.2 no JS) just goes into a loop when Google is invoked. Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Malformed site (partly OT).
In article 44f5489854.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I maintain the website of the local branch of the Multiple Sclerosis Society, at www.mssociety.org.uk/cheltenham (NB I am only responsible for the content, not the formatting). From time to time the site gets seriously malformed in RISC OS NetSurf, and then a few days later goes back to what is should be. Screenshots of this are at http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/Chrome.jpg as it should be in Chrome on Windows and http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/NetSurf.jpg as it was yesterday in NetSurf #2600, but it's back to how it should be this morning! Same NetSurf build. [Snip] Seems to work just fine for me here using NS 3.2, Strongarm RPC with OS 4.39. Tried it several times and always seems to come up OK. Not sure that all the functionality is there but the bits I tried seemed to work OK. Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: !Cache management
In article 18f1976b54@abbeypress.net, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: cj wrote on 16 Nov: Is anyone else finding that the new Cache feature does not seem to expire its content? Well, that was a revelation. Did a count on !Boot.resources.!cache.caches.default.netsurf and find 222 megabytes of stuff. Earliest date seems to be Sept 06. I wondered about this having read your post. I don't have !Cache and its sub-directories but I do have !Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.IDdisabled.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. In there I found I had 45 megabytes of said stuff - earliest from 2006, latest from May this year. Ah, Netsurf choices--cache. Disc cache size is set at 1024M (which I presume is meant as a max), In my case it's set at 2MB but there's no option to set the expiry. I'm using NS 3.1, 25 April 2014. I see that NS 3.2 is available on the website and the changelog mentions support for disc caching. I'll give it a go but wonder what the disk cache setting was doing in NS 3.1 if it was just storing stuff without deleting it and why the last cached item was in May this year! Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Google hanging
In article mpro.n6k2ho001e3nr033m.pit...@pittdj.co.uk, David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote: Cristopher Dewhurst, on 2 Jun, wrote: Hi Using Netsurf v1940, seems to be ok here (Raspberry Pi RISC OS 5.21) Maybe a temporary glitch with Google, or perhaps something fixed in NS between 1932 and 1940? 1940 still hangs here. Don't know about all these historical dates but I'm having no problems with Google using NS v3.1 on SA RPC OS 4.39 Alan Chris In message 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote: Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return. Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the only way to get the results. Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP? (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled) -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: streetmap.co.uk
In article 026d155b53.bo...@boase.demon.co.uk, Bernard Boase b.bo...@bcs.org wrote: Until recently Netsurf could render maps at streetmap.co.uk provided one entered via their older interface at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm from which exporting a drawfile could be extremely useful. But now even entering via this URL, the map display is only in the new format which Netsurf apparently cannot display. I am currently using 3.1 (Dec Cl #1252). Seems to work OK, if you ignore the iffy formatting, in NS 2.9. I can enter a postcode and get a map which I can then zoom in and out of and move with the tools provided. Is 3.1 a JS enabled version and is the presence of such ability at the root of the problem? Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: BBC News websites
In article 49380.86.154.45.205.1362660717.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk, Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: On 27 Feb 2013 Martin Bazley wrote: If you're still using 2.9, you don't need to be told. Simply open WWW.NetSurf.Log in your computer's ScrapDir (note: this only works when NetSurf is *not* running) and it should be right there in the first few lines. Thanks for the information. I hadn't thought of looking there. I normally use a recent development version, currently #942, but that doesn't exhibit the redirect to mobile problem so I used 2.9 to illustrate it. Richard Porter As someone who requires a stable version I am still using 2.9. I worked round the problem by redirecting the BBC link to the mobile desktop page which gave access to standard BBC content. But now in their wisdom the BBC have deleted this so I am back to square one. Considering their clucking over the raspberry pi you would think no large organisation, different hands, no co-ordination! Richard, you could let them know that apparently very large numbers of the little wonders have been sold which might help us on legacy hardware! Just tried using the BBC News link on Netsurf's home page (the out of the box version) NS 2.9. Works fine, taking me automatically to http://m.bbc.co.uk/news , which I assume to be the mobile version. Not pretty but it is usable. I don't think that I made any modifications to those NS links when this was discussed some time ago but maybe I did! If so, that would seem to be the answer. Cheers Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: BBC News websites
In article 5328da581e...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: In article 49255.86.154.45.205.1362675722.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk, Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: [Snip] Thanks for the summary. This may have been available for ARM based tablet users. Sadly no more unless it has moved its address. At least an ARM based tablet with Android has browsers where you can specify the User Agent (e.g. Android, Desktop, iPhone, iPad, Custom). Desktop being the most useful but Android (mobile) is sometimes useful too (e.g. when tethered). There isn't necessarily one answer to 'which user agent?' on some devices. 'Flexibility' is the key word. 'Configurable' is another. ;-) Well, Risc OS does have other browsers which will get to the BBC main site - sadly they don't then display it very well (to put it mildly). Presumably Netsurf just has to have Browse, Fresco, Oregano 1 2's ability to pretend to be something else and all would be well. I seem to remember some earlier discussion as to why it doesn't but can't seem to find it. Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Barclays internet banking has stopped working
In article 110fbb8152.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 17 Apr 2012 george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: [Snip] Has anyone managed to do internet banking with Barclays using NetSurf? There has been a lot about this on c.s.a.misc, and it seems that NetSurf can't access this site, as you say. Some people, not all, it seems, have got in using Fresco. It looks as if the days of doing internet banking with NetSurf are on the wane. As you say, Netsurf can't handle the new Barclays' site. However it does work fine with my Bank of Scotland account. A little slowly on this RPC but everything I've tried seems to work OK. Presumably Halifax clients should be OK as well, BoS and Halifax being connected. Maybe frustrated Barclays users should just jump ship? Cheers Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: 9764 grabs all the free memory
In article 92c13ad150...@rickman.argonet.co.uk, rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: 3e6526d150.wra...@wra1th.plus.com Gavin Wraith wrote: NetSurf 9764 appears to grab all the free memory once it has downloaded http://slashdot.org/ , making it impossible to use. On RO 5.14. It isn't just 9764 - the same thing happens on the current stable release 2.1 (23 may 2009). So it does! Just what has slashdot got that other websites lack? (RO 4.39. RPC) Cheers Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Changing address in the address bar
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Xavier Tardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Is there any easy way to change the address in the address bar ? Double clicking doesn't do anything, and I can't do better than erasing the address to type a new one. Double-clicking certainly highlights the existing address for me. I agree that typing in a new address doesn't work as might be expected ie deleting the highlighted text and replacing it with the new text. Wish it did! As it it is the only way seems to be too highlight and press Delete or to use the time-honoured RO method of placing the caret in the address bar and pressing Ctrl-U to clear it. Cheers Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Changing address in the address bar
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Nov 2008 Alan Calder wrote: Xavier Tardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip] Is there any easy way to change the address in the address bar ? Double-clicking certainly highlights the existing address for me. I agree that typing in a new address doesn't work as might be expected ie deleting the highlighted text and replacing it with the new text. That's not what's expected in RISC OS! One or two apps do it, e.g. Impression, but normally typing in text doesn't replace selected text. Impression, yes, and Easiwriter, Artworks, Datapower and probably others whilst in Oreganos 1 2 overtyping in the address bar works 'as expected'. Wouldn't be suprised if the same was true of FFox but I can't be bothered to fire it up - life's too short. :-) I think it can reasonably said that overtyping in browser address bars is now expected behaviour whatever RO might traditionally have done and I believe that Xavier uses non-RO systems also. Cheers Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Changing address in the address bar
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Calder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip] Double-clicking certainly highlights the existing address for me. Because you are running a version of RISC OS which supports text selection in writable icons (4.39). I agree that typing in a new address doesn't work as might be expected ie deleting the highlighted text and replacing it with the new text. Wish it did! If that's what you want, you need to configure RISC OS to do it. Run Configure, click Windows, click Windows on the new window, go to the Text selection section. Set the Insert behaviour to Delete selection in the Keyboard input effects bit. Ah thanks for the explanation and the info! Oh, and the earlier F2 tip. Keep forgetting there was life before 4.x! Cheers Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
Re: Website that crashes NS.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jess Hampshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have found a site the repeatably crashes NS (Both the current riscpkg version and 1.2) http://www.jessops.com/Downloads/Cameras Does this crash for everyone? Seems OK here on version of 30 July 2008. Page opens happily and I can download a driver. At what point does it fail for you? Cheers Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
