Re: cutpaste oddity
On 5 Apr 2010 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: [snip cut and paste not working from Impression to NetSurf] This isn't a NetSurf problem. The URL bar is just a standard Wimp writable icon (I think; I'm open to corrections), and so Ctrl-V into it is handled by whatever you use to handle the clipboard in writable icons on your system. [snip] Peter, with an Iyonix, is probably using IcnClipBrd. That /does/ play with Impression (or, it /should/ do -- if it doesn't, I would be surprised). [snip] It that's this Peter, then, yes, I do use IcnClipBrd on this Iyonix, but I've never used Impression, so I can't test whether the transfer would work. However, I did post about how to make a URL or e-mail address in OPro trigger a launch in NetSurf or e-mail app. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne\/ ____\ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _\ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: cutpaste oddity
Steve Fryatt wrote on 5 Apr: This isn't a NetSurf problem. The URL bar is just a standard Wimp writable icon (I think; I'm open to corrections), and so Ctrl-V into it is handled by whatever you use to handle the clipboard in writable icons on your system. You still haven't given us an OS version (unless I've missed it; I'm catching up after a weekend down south), but I'll guess one of ROL's later offerings with writable icon clipboard support. In which case: congratulations, I think you've just found one of the features. i'm using OS 4.39 on a StrongArm RiscPC. Publisher 5.13 or 4.13. *help clipboardholder shows it's version 0.15 (2004-05-03), which as far as i know is the standard one that comes with OS 4.39. Netsurf r9799. Looking very cursorily at what messages get passed around when you do a Ctrl-C in Impression on a RO4.37 machine, it appears that the Clipboard Holder doesn't play with Impression. Draw exhibits a similar 'issue', because it uses the Clipboard Holder; I'd guess Edit would, too (but I can't find a copy to try at present). well, Clipboardholder plays with Impression to the extent that i can copy (Ctrl-C) from Impression and paste (Ctrl-V) into Edit, Datapower, OPro, Techwriter, MPro, and even Draw's Ctrl-E box for editing text, and, curiously, into a text-input box in Netsurf -- but NOT into Netsurf's URL bar. like Richard Porter, if i paste my bit into Edit, then re-copy (Ctrl-C) it from Edit, then i CAN paste (Ctrl-V) into the URL bar. to repeat: the bit of text copied out of Impression with Ctrl-C carries filetype TEXT, not Impdoc. (correct me if i'm wrong. i come to this conclusion by pasting by bit into a blank Edit page, which takes on filetype Text. if you paste something of another type into a blank Edit page and then save, Edit assigns it that filetype.) i have now installed IcnClipBrd (version 0.15 by Thomas Leonard and Steve Fryatt, 2009) and now i CAN use Ctrl-V to get my bit of text from Impression into Netsurf's URL bar. i'm still curious about the wherefores of this odd stumblingblock involving Impression, the built-in Clipboard Holder and the URL bar. how can we examine the internal details of what's actually on the clipboard? -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
Re: cutpaste oddity
In article 8aafda0251.a...@ntlworld.com, Dr Alan Leighton alan.leight...@ntlworld.com wrote: I fear so for the time being. It is such a shame that we can no longer asses Google maps anymore. 8-( The old StreetMap site works. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm Fantastic you have made my day, You're welcome. Pleased to be of service. Glad I'm some use to somebody. -- Chris
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On 6 Apr 2010 Jim Nagel wrote: to repeat: the bit of text copied out of Impression with Ctrl-C carries filetype TEXT, not Impdoc. (correct me if i'm wrong. i come to this conclusion by pasting by bit into a blank Edit page, which takes on filetype Text. if you paste something of another type into a blank Edit page and then save, Edit assigns it that filetype.) Copy a url from a CSV file opened in Edit, paste into a new Edit window and it retains file type CSV, but copy straight from Schema 2 and it's changed to Text. Copy a URL off a browser window and it's type Text, but view the source and copy the same URL and it's HTML. You can't paste HTML into the URL bar. It appears that the clipboard retains the file type of a source file that was opened in Edit, but if you copy text straight from an application window and it's likely to be type Text. Only type Text can be pasted into a writable icon. I assume Oregano does its own processing of the URL bar. What I said earlier was that if I changed the file type to ImpDoc in Edit, then I couldn't copy and paste it into Netsurf's URL bar. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Confidentiality statement: Imagine 50 lines of pointless verbiage.
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In message 5102c8cdd3cvj...@waitrose.com Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote: In article d3d4890251.a...@ntlworld.com, Dr Alan Leighton alan.leight...@ntlworld.com wrote: In message 20100403231918.6a8d4...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:06:50 +0100 Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: I would suggest a feature request if there isn't one there already. Are we going to get a new version of Netsurf or is it stuck permanently at 09 Jan? You know where the source is. I fear so for the time being. It is such a shame that we can no longer asses Google maps anymore. 8-( The old StreetMap site works. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm Fantastic you have made my day, Best wishes Alan --
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On 2 Apr, Jim Nagel wrote in message 0b6bb10151@nails.ukonline.co.uk: if you mean that straightforward copying (Ctrl-C) of a bit of text from Impression -- which happens to be a URL -- and pasting (Ctrl-V) it into Netsurf's URL bar works for you, then maybe we should compare versions of OS, Impression, Netsurf and whatever minimodules might be involved in the hinterland. because that is what does NOT work for me: Ctrl-C behaves as expected, and Ctrl-V will paste it into many other places as expected, but in Netsurf's URL bar Ctrl-V does nothing at all -- apparently because of what is on the clipboard in this circumstance, for Ctrl-V DOES work in Netsurf's URL bar when the clipboard contents come from (say) Edit. This isn't a NetSurf problem. The URL bar is just a standard Wimp writable icon (I think; I'm open to corrections), and so Ctrl-V into it is handled by whatever you use to handle the clipboard in writable icons on your system. You still haven't given us an OS version (unless I've missed it; I'm catching up after a weekend down south), but I'll guess one of ROL's later offerings with writable icon clipboard support. In which case: congratulations, I think you've just found one of the features. Looking very cursorily at what messages get passed around when you do a Ctrl-C in Impression on a RO4.37 machine, it appears that the Clipboard Holder doesn't play with Impression. Draw exhibits a similar 'issue', because it uses the Clipboard Holder; I'd guess Edit would, too (but I can't find a copy to try at present). Peter, with an Iyonix, is probably using IcnClipBrd. That /does/ play with Impression (or, it /should/ do -- if it doesn't, I would be surprised). We could make it a NetSurf problem by moving clipboard support for NetSurf's standard writable icons into NetSurf itself, but I'm personally reluctant to do it for a whole range of reasons (which mostly boil down to wheel-reinvention being a waste of time). Long term, I suspect we could ditch writable icons completely and do the URL bar using one of NetSurf's own text fields, but that's not a five-minute fix either. Again, there are many more pressing things to do first, from what I can see. If anyone else fancies it, as Rob says, you know where the source is. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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In article d3d4890251.a...@ntlworld.com, Dr Alan Leighton alan.leight...@ntlworld.com wrote: In message 20100403231918.6a8d4...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:06:50 +0100 Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: I would suggest a feature request if there isn't one there already. Are we going to get a new version of Netsurf or is it stuck permanently at 09 Jan? You know where the source is. I fear so for the time being. It is such a shame that we can no longer asses Google maps anymore. 8-( The old StreetMap site works. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm -- Chris
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Richard Porter wrote on 2 Apr: Netsurf is very picky. When you copy text to the clipboard the filetype is copied with it. Netsurf will only accept text, which is a damn nuisance since if you're copying a URL it's highly likely to come out of an html page or file. If you paste the text into Edit, and it stays a Text file then you can copy and paste or save it from there. It helps to type a random character into the Edit window first so it sets the filetype to text. yes, i use that trick with Edit: type some random text (a Return will do) onto a blank page so Edit takes on the filetype as Text, then paste in my bit from outside. result is text, whatever the outside bit was. a bit easier than changing filetype to Text via the menu. however, in this oddity, the bit i copy (with Ctrl-C) from Impression is ALREADY filetyped as text. (tested by dropping it into a totally empty fresh Edit window.) the mystery concerns why Netsurf's URL bar will not accept it with Ctrl-V. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
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Dr Peter Young wrote on 2 Apr: I regularly do this, and have never had a problem! sorry, Peter: not sure which of the various operations that were quoted is what you mean by this. if you mean that straightforward copying (Ctrl-C) of a bit of text from Impression -- which happens to be a URL -- and pasting (Ctrl-V) it into Netsurf's URL bar works for you, then maybe we should compare versions of OS, Impression, Netsurf and whatever minimodules might be involved in the hinterland. because that is what does NOT work for me: Ctrl-C behaves as expected, and Ctrl-V will paste it into many other places as expected, but in Netsurf's URL bar Ctrl-V does nothing at all -- apparently because of what is on the clipboard in this circumstance, for Ctrl-V DOES work in Netsurf's URL bar when the clipboard contents come from (say) Edit. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
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On 2 Apr, Jim Nagel wrote: why is it that i can copy a URL (as a bit of text) out of an Impression document and paste it into Edit, Datapower, Techwriter, and various other apps, but i can't paste it into Netsurf's URL bar? i can, however, paste it into the Google search box on the Netsurf default page. if i paste it into Edit, then copy it from there, i CAN paste it into Netsurf's URL bar. any explanation for the curious phenomenon? using Netsurf r9799. No Impression on this Iyonix, so can't quickly test this here. Are you using Clipboard or IcnClipBrd? http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/clipboard/ -- Brian Howlett -- This place would be a paradise tomorrow, if every department had a supervisor with a sub-machine gun.
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Brian Howlett wrote on 2 Apr: Are you using Clipboard or IcnClipBrd? *modules and *rommodules turns up only ClipboardHolder 0.15 (on rom). -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
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In article adb0c60151@nails.ukonline.co.uk, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Brian Howlett wrote on 2 Apr: Are you using Clipboard or IcnClipBrd? *modules and *rommodules turns up only ClipboardHolder 0.15 (on rom). I'm on Select RO 6.20 ClipboardHolder 0.17 and I can't Ctrl-C out of Imp Publisher in to Netsurf either. Nor can I do it with Ovation Pro. However, my get around is this... In Publisher, select the bit of text that's the URL. Menu-File-Save selected text (Ctrl-F3) As Text without styles etc Drag the Save Icon to the NetSurf URL bar. Robert is your ... Similar with Ovation Pro. Menu-File-Save Selection as text, drag to URL bar. Hope that helps Dave -- Dave Triffid
