Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Allan Siegel
Hello, This is a good move with exciting possibilities. The fediverse is in an expansive mood right now with a massive influx of people; an intensely evolving social space with strong anti-corporate sensibilities. A forest with trees, paths to be explored - a refreshing landscape with a diffe

Digital Democracy and the Digital Public Sphere

2022-11-30 Thread Christian Fuchs
Christian Fuchs. 2023. Digital Democracy and the Digital Public Sphere. Media, Communication and Society Volume Six. London: Routledge. 320 pages. Sample chapters and more information: https://fuchsc.uti.at/books/digital-democracy-and-the-digital-public-sphere/ Based on the approach of the Cr

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Felix Stalder
Hi Goeffrey, from a technical point of view, the problem with mailing lists is twofold. First, maintaining a mail server has become progressively more work over the years. Second, what a mailman mailing list does is, essentially, rewriting the header, ie making this mail appears as it came f

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2022-11-30 01:34, nettime's mod squad wrote: Dear nettimers, Oh wtf why not https://tldr.nettime.org/web/@dk -- Dmytri Kleiner # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural poli

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread bernd kasparek
Dear nettimers, I joined this list some months ago, have never posted but always read with great interest and consequential enlightenment. I of course fully agree with the argument about technical fixes to social problems, but still feel that this is something that should be explored more e

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread d . garcia
Nothing brings the gently glowing embers of nettime to life quite like the prospect of its immanent demise, when the mods launch one of their cunningly infrequent "shake-em-up" interventions. Whatever the outcome of this latest experiment the kick-up-the-arse alone makes it worthwhile. Thank You

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread analoguehorizon
Out of the woodwork we come. My handle is @fl...@social.coop (https://social.coop/@flgnk) which is a cooperatively run instance. I'm not involved in the organization side, but as a coop member I think it is safe to say 'we' raise money for the running of the instance using OpenCollective ( https:/

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Ted Byfield
Geoff — Thanks for this. I agree with the outlines of what you say, and with most of the detail too. Felix and Doma have their own perspectives, so this is just me. I'm not sure what you mean about a recurring argument, but that's not to suggest you're mistaken. As a mod, I probably see nettime

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Michael H. Goldhaber
As I’m curious as to how well and how long and how populated the fediverse might end up being in terms of a step beyond corporate social media , I will definitely try the experiment. But I do wonder how all the servers and needed programming can be supported without the horrors connected with ad

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Juergen Fenn
Dear all, I am grateful for the debate over many years on nettime-l. I also enjoy everything that goes with email as a medium. But I quit all social handles back in 2010 when Geert called to join him on Quit Facebook Day, and I think I won't return to any platform, even if it is run as a community

Re: Extinction Internet

2022-11-30 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
Am 24/11/22 um 20:20 schrieb Brian Holmes: > "Let’s stopbuilding Web3 solutions for problems that do not existand > launch tools that decolonize, redistribute value,conspire and organize." > > The emergent internet of the 80s and 90s with all its open potentials > was the radical machine that made

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Petter Ericson
Hi list, Point of order: The fediverse runs on the ActivityPub protocol, which is specified and standardized in a W3C Recoomendation, which, while not ideal, and not covering the server-to-client end of things, still is a good effort, and at least as thorough and well-defined as the initial e-mail

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Christian Swertz
Hello! Just to raise my hand for "mailing list": I prefer emails and mailing lists since I really like the features of email clients. A large white space for writing is just great, and it is good to write without a limited number of characters. As a side remark: If emails are really that out

Re: Contents of nettime-l Digest, Vol 182, Issue 17

2022-11-30 Thread James Hancock
Hello all This is probably the first nettime email digest I've briefly scanned through since I signed up a year ago. Apologies, I'll get round to catching up on the 181 previous volumes soon. People were reflecting on the retirement home feel of the group, and how moving to a different medium wou

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Jean-Noël Montagné
Changing the system is a political choice. Any technology is politic. Moving from email technology to web technology is a real politic affair which contradicts the common ideas deployed in this list. Freedom to publish, freedom to communicate. Equality. I receive and read Nettime in a separate

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
There's a discontinuity in social media posts, and quite a bit of attention-shifting, so Mastodon might not be the best solution - though migration away from email does make sense. I find that I don't follow email lists well - that might just be me, but I get so many thousands of pieces of email at

Its a Language thing

2022-11-30 Thread d . garcia
It’s a Language Thing In a brilliant article in the FT, last September, Janen Ganesh correctly predicted that as ever the US mid term elections would be obsessively followed by the English political elite when many of the same people would struggle to name a cabinet minister in Berlin or Paris

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Seriously d.garcia! What a moderators ploy, and all the putti are coming out, shedding angelic little wings of delight about how much we enjoy the lust…im only 25, and rarely post on nettime but do like reading a few cranky masterworks now and again. i got bigger fish to fry…low tech/high concep