Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
Pretty sure. I checked it on several different parts diagrams. And, the size seems about right, based upon the one I actually managed to remove. On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 4:41:50 AM UTC-7, Kurt Nolte wrote: > > 8x50 refers to the size. Find an M8x1.25 FLANGED bolt in a 50mm total > length and you will be good. I suggest that you look into a stainless > replacement and do both of them, since they aren't structural. > > Though... 50mm seems long, for an exhaust bolt. Are you certain the part > number is correct? > > On Oct 2, 2016 19:51, "Jared Clifton" > > wrote: > > I have tried just about everything, and I am finally going to give up and > take it to my mechanic to see what magic he can do to it. It's starting to > get dark and wet up here in Seattle, so I'm hoping he can get it out > quicker than I have been able. > > Which raises a second question... Just in case he ends up destroying the > bolt, I was looking online for a replacement. The parts diagrams show it as > a UBS 8x50 (part #90155-ME5-000). It also shows that part as discontinued. > Does anyone know if there's a direct replacement available? Or does anyone > know where I might be able to source an original? > > -Jared > > > > On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-7, aspork42 wrote: > >> Good idea to try and tighten the bolt just to break it free. The clamping >> force of the bolt isn't why this one is stuck - it is the corrosion between >> the threads. That is why heat works - it expands the bolt / threads just >> enough to overcome the corrosion. >> >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:47, Lar Lar wrote: >> >> All good ideas to try so far. Have you tried using the impact wrench to >> tighten the bolt for just a few impacts, then try loosening it, maybe that >> will break the corrosion bond. Also do you know what the ft/lbs of your >> impact tool is? Mine is an electric one rated at 220 ft/lbs and it would >> not take off the wheel nuts off on my car (thanks dealership, lol) but when >> taken off by a garage to have the wheels balanced and put back on at the >> proper torque it was fine. >> We're all pulling for ya! >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_love...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthaw...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_love...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to nighthaw...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
8x50 refers to the size. Find an M8x1.25 FLANGED bolt in a 50mm total length and you will be good. I suggest that you look into a stainless replacement and do both of them, since they aren't structural. Though... 50mm seems long, for an exhaust bolt. Are you certain the part number is correct? On Oct 2, 2016 19:51, "Jared Clifton" wrote: I have tried just about everything, and I am finally going to give up and take it to my mechanic to see what magic he can do to it. It's starting to get dark and wet up here in Seattle, so I'm hoping he can get it out quicker than I have been able. Which raises a second question... Just in case he ends up destroying the bolt, I was looking online for a replacement. The parts diagrams show it as a UBS 8x50 (part #90155-ME5-000). It also shows that part as discontinued. Does anyone know if there's a direct replacement available? Or does anyone know where I might be able to source an original? -Jared On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-7, aspork42 wrote: > Good idea to try and tighten the bolt just to break it free. The clamping > force of the bolt isn't why this one is stuck - it is the corrosion between > the threads. That is why heat works - it expands the bolt / threads just > enough to overcome the corrosion. > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:47, Lar Lar wrote: > > All good ideas to try so far. Have you tried using the impact wrench to > tighten the bolt for just a few impacts, then try loosening it, maybe that > will break the corrosion bond. Also do you know what the ft/lbs of your > impact tool is? Mine is an electric one rated at 220 ft/lbs and it would > not take off the wheel nuts off on my car (thanks dealership, lol) but when > taken off by a garage to have the wheels balanced and put back on at the > proper torque it was fine. > We're all pulling for ya! > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_love...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthaw...@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
I have tried just about everything, and I am finally going to give up and take it to my mechanic to see what magic he can do to it. It's starting to get dark and wet up here in Seattle, so I'm hoping he can get it out quicker than I have been able. Which raises a second question... Just in case he ends up destroying the bolt, I was looking online for a replacement. The parts diagrams show it as a UBS 8x50 (part #90155-ME5-000). It also shows that part as discontinued. Does anyone know if there's a direct replacement available? Or does anyone know where I might be able to source an original? -Jared On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-7, aspork42 wrote: > > Good idea to try and tighten the bolt just to break it free. The clamping > force of the bolt isn't why this one is stuck - it is the corrosion between > the threads. That is why heat works - it expands the bolt / threads just > enough to overcome the corrosion. > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:47, Lar Lar > > wrote: > > All good ideas to try so far. Have you tried using the impact wrench to > tighten the bolt for just a few impacts, then try loosening it, maybe that > will break the corrosion bond. Also do you know what the ft/lbs of your > impact tool is? Mine is an electric one rated at 220 ft/lbs and it would > not take off the wheel nuts off on my car (thanks dealership, lol) but when > taken off by a garage to have the wheels balanced and put back on at the > proper torque it was fine. > We're all pulling for ya! > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_love...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to nighthaw...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
Good idea to try and tighten the bolt just to break it free. The clamping force of the bolt isn't why this one is stuck - it is the corrosion between the threads. That is why heat works - it expands the bolt / threads just enough to overcome the corrosion. > On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:47, Lar Lar wrote: > > All good ideas to try so far. Have you tried using the impact wrench to > tighten the bolt for just a few impacts, then try loosening it, maybe that > will break the corrosion bond. Also do you know what the ft/lbs of your > impact tool is? Mine is an electric one rated at 220 ft/lbs and it would not > take off the wheel nuts off on my car (thanks dealership, lol) but when taken > off by a garage to have the wheels balanced and put back on at the proper > torque it was fine. > We're all pulling for ya! > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
That's a good idea as well. You're probably right about the torque on the impact tool. It's just a little Milwaukee M18, so I think it probably has less than 200 ft/lbs. I think I could get this thing off with just the breaker bar, if I could find a socket that wouldn't slip on it. I was thinking about trying the Craftsman Extreme Grip sockets or one of those Go2 Socket adjustable bolts. I'm not sure if the Craftsman Extreme Grip sockets would be any better than their Bolt Off ones, which didn't do a damned thing. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Lar Lar wrote: > All good ideas to try so far. Have you tried using the impact wrench to > tighten the bolt for just a few impacts, then try loosening it, maybe that > will break the corrosion bond. Also do you know what the ft/lbs of your > impact tool is? Mine is an electric one rated at 220 ft/lbs and it would > not take off the wheel nuts off on my car (thanks dealership, lol) but when > taken off by a garage to have the wheels balanced and put back on at the > proper torque it was fine. > We're all pulling for ya! > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/nighthawk_lovers/KD74hLa6vAI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
All good ideas to try so far. Have you tried using the impact wrench to tighten the bolt for just a few impacts, then try loosening it, maybe that will break the corrosion bond. Also do you know what the ft/lbs of your impact tool is? Mine is an electric one rated at 220 ft/lbs and it would not take off the wheel nuts off on my car (thanks dealership, lol) but when taken off by a garage to have the wheels balanced and put back on at the proper torque it was fine. We're all pulling for ya! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
Although it might be too late for this problem, you might want to consider picking up a 3/8' adapter for your 1/2' breaker bar. On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:15:37 PM UTC-4, Jared Clifton wrote: > > Drilling is going to be my last resort. And, at this point, I don't really > see any other alternative. > > I used a 6-point socket. Actually, three different ones from different > sets I had, in case one was rounded. I also bought one of those Craftsman > Bolt Extractor kits, which also refused to budge this thing. I let the > penetrating oil set for days (used both Liquid Wrench and PB Blaster), > applying a bit more each day. I've been working on this for over a week. I > tried a 12" breaker bar and an impact driver. My longer breaker bar is for > 1/2" sockets, and I don't have a 12mm socket in 1/2 inch. > > I believe I'm seeing a couple of issues here. The first is that the bolt > is upside down, so the penetrating oil has a harder time working its way up > to the threads. Secondly, I took a look at the other bolt (that I actually > did remove), and there is a significant amount of shaft between where the > head is and the threads start. And I can't see any way to get at this bolt > from the top, where the threads are. > > Last night I applied more PB Blaster and let it sit. Then I hit it with a > torch for 30 seconds, and let it cool. Then I tried the breaker bar and the > impact driver on it. Repeat. It simply will not budge. > > -Jared > > > > On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-7, jrhoyt0895 wrote: >> >> Have you considered drilling through the bolt, like you would if you had >> a screw with a stripped head? >> >> Consistent with other advice, I think you did what I would have done, >> although I might have done it a tad differently: >> >> -I don't know if you used a 6-point socket or a 12-point socket, a >> 6-point socket is the way to go here. >> -How long is your breaker bar? The longer it is, the more leverage you >> have, giving you the ability to be a bit more gentle. >> -When using a breaker bar, I always try to push down, rather than up or >> to the side. >> -How long did you let the penetrating oil sit? When using penetrating >> oil, patience can really pay off. >> >> One last thing: Imagine the bolt is a jar of pickles someone just handed >> you while asking, "Can you open this for me?" You turn the lid and it pops >> off with almost no effort, and you say, "You must have loosened it." In >> other words, be gentle, spray some penetrating oil on it, and they walk >> away for a while. Then try gently again later, and repeat until the thing >> comes off. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
Try to use impact while it is still hot. > On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Jared Clifton wrote: > > Drilling is going to be my last resort. And, at this point, I don't really > see any other alternative. > > I used a 6-point socket. Actually, three different ones from different sets I > had, in case one was rounded. I also bought one of those Craftsman Bolt > Extractor kits, which also refused to budge this thing. I let the penetrating > oil set for days (used both Liquid Wrench and PB Blaster), applying a bit > more each day. I've been working on this for over a week. I tried a 12" > breaker bar and an impact driver. My longer breaker bar is for 1/2" sockets, > and I don't have a 12mm socket in 1/2 inch. > > I believe I'm seeing a couple of issues here. The first is that the bolt is > upside down, so the penetrating oil has a harder time working its way up to > the threads. Secondly, I took a look at the other bolt (that I actually did > remove), and there is a significant amount of shaft between where the head is > and the threads start. And I can't see any way to get at this bolt from the > top, where the threads are. > > Last night I applied more PB Blaster and let it sit. Then I hit it with a > torch for 30 seconds, and let it cool. Then I tried the breaker bar and the > impact driver on it. Repeat. It simply will not budge. > > -Jared > > > >> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-7, jrhoyt0895 wrote: >> Have you considered drilling through the bolt, like you would if you had a >> screw with a stripped head? >> >> Consistent with other advice, I think you did what I would have done, >> although I might have done it a tad differently: >> >> -I don't know if you used a 6-point socket or a 12-point socket, a 6-point >> socket is the way to go here. >> -How long is your breaker bar? The longer it is, the more leverage you >> have, giving you the ability to be a bit more gentle. >> -When using a breaker bar, I always try to push down, rather than up or to >> the side. >> -How long did you let the penetrating oil sit? When using penetrating oil, >> patience can really pay off. >> >> One last thing: Imagine the bolt is a jar of pickles someone just handed you >> while asking, "Can you open this for me?" You turn the lid and it pops off >> with almost no effort, and you say, "You must have loosened it." In other >> words, be gentle, spray some penetrating oil on it, and they walk away for a >> while. Then try gently again later, and repeat until the thing comes off. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
Drilling is going to be my last resort. And, at this point, I don't really see any other alternative. I used a 6-point socket. Actually, three different ones from different sets I had, in case one was rounded. I also bought one of those Craftsman Bolt Extractor kits, which also refused to budge this thing. I let the penetrating oil set for days (used both Liquid Wrench and PB Blaster), applying a bit more each day. I've been working on this for over a week. I tried a 12" breaker bar and an impact driver. My longer breaker bar is for 1/2" sockets, and I don't have a 12mm socket in 1/2 inch. I believe I'm seeing a couple of issues here. The first is that the bolt is upside down, so the penetrating oil has a harder time working its way up to the threads. Secondly, I took a look at the other bolt (that I actually did remove), and there is a significant amount of shaft between where the head is and the threads start. And I can't see any way to get at this bolt from the top, where the threads are. Last night I applied more PB Blaster and let it sit. Then I hit it with a torch for 30 seconds, and let it cool. Then I tried the breaker bar and the impact driver on it. Repeat. It simply will not budge. -Jared On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-7, jrhoyt0895 wrote: > > Have you considered drilling through the bolt, like you would if you had a > screw with a stripped head? > > Consistent with other advice, I think you did what I would have done, > although I might have done it a tad differently: > > -I don't know if you used a 6-point socket or a 12-point socket, a 6-point > socket is the way to go here. > -How long is your breaker bar? The longer it is, the more leverage you > have, giving you the ability to be a bit more gentle. > -When using a breaker bar, I always try to push down, rather than up or to > the side. > -How long did you let the penetrating oil sit? When using penetrating > oil, patience can really pay off. > > One last thing: Imagine the bolt is a jar of pickles someone just handed > you while asking, "Can you open this for me?" You turn the lid and it pops > off with almost no effort, and you say, "You must have loosened it." In > other words, be gentle, spray some penetrating oil on it, and they walk > away for a while. Then try gently again later, and repeat until the thing > comes off. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
Have you considered drilling through the bolt, like you would if you had a screw with a stripped head? Consistent with other advice, I think you did what I would have done, although I might have done it a tad differently: -I don't know if you used a 6-point socket or a 12-point socket, a 6-point socket is the way to go here. -How long is your breaker bar? The longer it is, the more leverage you have, giving you the ability to be a bit more gentle. -When using a breaker bar, I always try to push down, rather than up or to the side. -How long did you let the penetrating oil sit? When using penetrating oil, patience can really pay off. One last thing: Imagine the bolt is a jar of pickles someone just handed you while asking, "Can you open this for me?" You turn the lid and it pops off with almost no effort, and you say, "You must have loosened it." In other words, be gentle, spray some penetrating oil on it, and they walk away for a while. Then try gently again later, and repeat until the thing comes off. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Stuck bolt
My favorite trick is to put a notch in the side with a drill, dremel, etc. and then whack it with a cold chisel and hammer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
