[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Moore
Lots of great respnoses. We're documenting all the things we want to be powered from an alternate source, then finding what else needs to be up to support that. Once we have that information, we're going to consult a professional :-) -jonathan

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-10 Thread Jack Coats
When I worked for a bank, their DR site was about 10 miles from the 'home office'. This was to close for me to feel comfortable, but they didn't want the travel expense for tests (1 each 6 mo) to an office they had 200 miles away. Auditors made them do something, so they chose a 3d place that was

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-09 Thread Jack Coats
I was thinking about your generator and auto-failover need. I saw a couple of years back at Sears, and a couple of months ago if I remember right at Rural King, a 'backup generator' sized for a house. Probably enough to keep a small server room (a full rack, and a room type HVAC unit) running.

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-09 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
Home depot has those as well. Look on the website and you can find 25kw generators that runs on natural gas or propane. I think I remember that one being under $8k. Since the original poster mentioned a warehouse, I bet they already have access to propane and possibly a nice big tank already on

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-09 Thread Doug Smith
Jack Coats wrote: UPSes and critical loads on this, including your HVAC. If the HVAC needs are big enough, you might want one generator for HVAC and another for everything else, depending on running the numbers of course! Are you sure you want your servers running if the generator for the

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-09 Thread Tim Jackson
Another good pount. Don't just crank and run your genset. Put the full load on it at least once a month.. We have automated tests weekly and manual full load tests monthly. On 5/9/09, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote: One more thing I thought would be worth mentioning to add to this

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-08 Thread Jonathan Moore
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote: First question - are all of these systems on existing UPS so that they will stay running in the 1 second to 10 minutes window before the generator cuts on?  First guess about the first question - kinda sorta and we have too

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-08 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
Jonathan Moore wrote: snip The other servers, and primary switch are connected to the other 3, which times hovering aroudn 12 - 15 minutes. So in theory, we could plug in and crank the generator in that amount of time... snip Hmm, crank the generator in 12-15 minutes... does that

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-08 Thread Jack Coats
I have helpped build a couple of data centers and mange them afterward. Howards advice is good about the UPSes. But also monitor the UPSes with software, 3-4 years is right for some batteries, to long for others, and not long enough (there is still good left in them) for a few. ... Dynamic

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-08 Thread westom
On May 8, 2:31 pm, Jonathan Moore supermegat...@gmail.com wrote: Alot of these kind of things are being discussed internally, but right now we're attempting to just size out how big of a generator we need to power what we want. You are doing it backwards. See Tim Jackson's post to

[nlug] Re: backup power advice

2009-05-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
My 2 cents on this topic: If you can do this small scale (and this may not apply to your situation) get a Kill-A-Watt and hook up each of your devices through it. It will tell you EXACTLY how may watts/amps/etc each device is actually pulling from the wall. You can test different devices under