On 24 Jun 2011, at 12:24, cwhill wrote:
Imagine some guy sitting watching his goats playing a shawm, getting out of
breath (and they do take a lot of puff) and thinking I have a cunning plan.
Hi Colin and all,
Goats are pretty clever creatures and apparently have been playing bagpipes
I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps?
Colin Hill
On 26/06/2011 11:41, Francis Wood wrote:
On 24 Jun 2011, at 12:24, cwhill wrote:
Imagine some guy sitting watching his goats playing a shawm, getting out of breath (and
they do take a lot of puff) and thinking I
On 26 Jun 2011, at 13:23, cwhill wrote:
I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps?
Interesting idea! Perhaps make shepherds pie from the other bits?
Francis
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are perhaps thinking of the Great God Pan, who played another wind
instrument...
John
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I was more thinking along
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM,
cwhill [1]cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps?
A long time ago (not quite mediaeval times though) someone (Dave van
Doorn?) did a cartoon for the BagSoc magazine on exACTly that
If Beethoven were alive
today and could hear (:)), would he have recognised his
compositions as
played
I'm very sure he would have recognised the pieces but he might have thought
people had a very funny way of playing them.
Though I did once hear a recording of piece by Palestrina that I had
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If Beethoven were alive
today and could hear (:)), would he have recognised his
compositions as
played
I'm very sure he would have recognised the pieces but he might have thought
eople had a very funny way of playing them
2011 12:24
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I was more thinking along the lines of look what they've done to my
song, Ma.
There is, of course, a serious side to it when deciding on which part of
the tradition one wishes to set as the norm. With the best will in the
world
On 22 Jun 2011, Richard York wrote:
Thoughtful and considered artistic advice
of a sensitive nature would be most welcome, please.
Richard, I think you're maybe asking in the wrong place grin!
Good luck with the tune.
Julia
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'Detached' is not an equivalent, though. I'll play a slow air,
or everything else for that manner with 'detached fingering'
because that's how a stopped chanter works. And it's not the
opposite of 'legato'! I take 'detached fingering' to mean
only that and nothing more. Only one finger off at
Quoting Barry
they had to 'write' music which professional musicians could play either
almost or completely at sight, and all the directions had to be on the
page. The larger the group of musicians, the more more meticulous the
directions had to be.
To my way of thinking, in the classical
On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:31, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu
christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Word's spellchequer used to suggest fellated for filleted.
Further light has thus been thrown on the term 'codpiece'
Francis
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On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:39, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
What would you say was the opposite of legato.
Ooooh, I'm not going there!!
Saying that something is _not_ the opposite of another is only one assertion.
Saying what _is_ an opposite requires a number of bold and foolhardy
I think I'd go along with all of this.
C
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On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:39, christopher.bi
Thank you in turn, Philip. The ancient sagas are an interesting question. I
don't know when or how the Iliad and the Odyssey came to be fixed in their
present form, but I do know that the Kalevala was a compilation from a variety
of sources made only in the 19th century.
A sobering thought for
The Iliad is thought to have been written down in something like its
current form a little earler than the Odyssey, during the second half
or last quarter of the eighth century BC.
Daphne
On 22 Jun 2011, at 10:15, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Thank you in turn, Philip. The ancient
Generally people in literate societies have far worse memories
than in societies with oral/aural cultures.
Ask an ear player how many tunes he knows - it will be more
than I can remember where I kept the dots of
Swings and roundabouts.
C
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This is a fascinating thread.
I'm just going to throw in a few thoughts that have been going around my
head.
We are probably rather spoiled living in an age of recordings.
I'm thinking of the interpretation of the dots as opposed to actual
playing of them as written.
I suppose this is one
Oops, outlook tells me I've already sent a reply. I wonder what it said...
Barry, et al.
May I point you to the Dolmetsch dictionary
http://www.dolmetsch.com/defss4.htm
Thanks, this is very interesting but unfortunately reminds me that dictionaries
are not infallible. (I have been working as
On 20 Jun 2011, Gibbons, John wrote:
stacc. abbreviated form of staccato (Italian: detached, separated)
staccare (Italian) to detach, to separate each note
The word has its natural meaning, in other words.
Stacatissimo is what some people think it means, but it doesn't!
I
that's what I tend to use) that in classical / art music terms
these days, a note
with a staccato dot should be played half length of what is
printed, (so a crotchet
becomes a quaver, for instance),
This is the convention I'm familiar with too.
I find a useful practise technique for NSP, now
On 21 Jun 2011, at 10:38, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
now that I'm emerging from the doldrums
Doldra, surely?
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On 21 Jun 2011, at 10:38, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
now that I'm emerging from the doldrums
Doldra, surely?
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Hello Julia and others,
I like this reply very much. This has been a good thread and a great
endorsement of the varied interests which emerge from and return to the
discussion of our favourite instrument.
It's also a good demonstration of both the value and the disadvantages of this
list
And no one threw any tantra
C
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Hello Julia
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Oops, outlook tells me I've already sent a reply. I wonder what it said...
Barry, et al.
May I point you to the Dolmetsch dictionary
http://www.dolmetsch.com/defss4.htm
Thanks, this is very interesting
Most of the argument here seems to be about the word staccato than any great
stylistic difference.
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that's what I tend to use) that in classical / art music terms
these days, a note
with a staccato dot should be played half length of what is
printed, (so a crotchet
becomes a quaver
2011 09:45
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Subject: [NSP] Re: Deaf/dead
Oops, outlook tells me I've already sent a reply. I wonder what it said...
Barry, et al.
May I point you to the Dolmetsch dictionary
http://www.dolmetsch.com/defss4
On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:54, Tim Rolls wrote:
Popapoms would be the Australian version then?
Well, which country is this? :
Poppadom, Poppadom Pom Pom Pom . . .
Francis
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Oops, outlook tells me I've already sent a reply. I wonder what it said...
Barry, et al.
May I point you to the Dolmetsch dictionary
http
Thank you Frances.you had me whistling the Radetzky March while
cooking breakfast.I'm probably stuck with it for the day!
Ian
Francis Wood wrote:
On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:54, Tim Rolls wrote:
Popapoms would be the Australian version then?
Well, which country is this? :
P
On 21 Jun 2011, at 15:51, Richard York wrote:
Then there's the Beethoven version- poppopaDOM
Or this, anyone?
Poppadom, Poppadom, Poppadom-pom ?
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Or
poppaDOMpompompom POPpadom?
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P
On 21 Jun 2011, at 15:51, Richard York wrote
Quoting richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk:
Is that the crispy stuff they put in their toblerone's, then?
Toblerone's? trombones? - whatever!
Who can Tell?
Richard
The Lone Ranger, of course.
Tonto
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I assume all this food based music will be played on a crumpet or a cornetto
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Or
poppaDOMpompompom
I assume all this food based music will be played on a crumpet or a cornetto
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Or
poppaDOMpompompom
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Or
poppaDOMpompompom POPpadom?
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Or
poppaDOMpompompom POPpadom?
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Quoting Richard York rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk:
All of which goes to show that it's really, really difficult writing
down on paper the precise quality of something which we hear and/or
play in such a way that other people can do it.
Perhaps Aural Transmission really is the best method.
Nice one Barry.
I particularly like the idea of 'Stairway to heaven' on a castrated!
Lovely vision
Malcolm
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On 21 Jun 2011, at 23:13, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
PS my spellchecker offered as alternatives to 'stratocaster': 'toastmaster'
or castrated. Ah! the wonders of a digital age.
Don't know about 'toastmaster', but 'castrated' is a proper musical term.
In Italian, that is.
More seriously,
/dead
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poppaDOMpompompom POPpadom?
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P
On 21 Jun 2011
This is something that no other bagpipe
can do. In fact it would be difficult to think of another wind
instrument capable of silence whilst pressure is applied. At
present I can only identify the ocarina.
Uilleann pipes, chanter stopped on knee, all fingers down?
CB
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Quite, again!
C
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Subject: [NSP] Re: Deaf/dead
Hello Francis,
Quite so, but, playing devil's advocate
However, I think we differ over the harpsichord's ability to
play 'long-sustained'.
I was having this discussion with my wife the other day (she plays keyboards
rather better than I can), so I went to the harpsichord and tried it to check.
Just like on a piano, if you hold a key down, the
Joe Hutton seemed a bit lukewarm about that.
Joe didn't exactly play ultrastaccato, did he?
C
I'd forgotten that remark about the skeletons. Thanks for reminding!
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using
all the vocabulary an instrument can offer rather than cutting a bit
out because it's heretical.
Yes!!!
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Oh the perils of using a short-hand term carelessly!
OK, I shouldn't have called it staccato, I was merely characterising
the general sound difference between piano and plucked keyboard
instruments to make my point, a dangerous and un-scholarly thing to do
:)
And all you say is
OK, I shouldn't have called it staccato,
Unfortunately some people do seem to think staccato means short.
C
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On 20 Jun 2011, at 09:34, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
However, I think we differ over the harpsichord's ability to
play 'long-sustained'.
I was having this discussion with my wife the other day (she plays keyboards
rather better than I can), so I went to the harpsichord
Quoting christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu:
OK, I shouldn't have called it staccato,
Unfortunately some people do seem to think staccato means short.
Chris,
May I point you to the Dolmetsch dictionary
http://www.dolmetsch.com/defss4.htm
Personally, staccato is a word I use for
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Quoting christopher.bi
On 17 Jun 2011, at 09:24, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote:
I reckon being dead is an even greater impediment to hearing them played now.
Well, if he hadn't been the late Beethoven, how could he have composed the Late
Quartets?
Francis
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Ok, bad choice of composer!
He was, however, only deaf in later life.
Still good excuse for some bad jokes :)
It was a genuine question though. If there is a correct was to play,
that must have been decided at sometime by someone.
I'm thinking here of the closed fingering techniques, one finger
On 17 Jun 2011, at 12:39, cwhill wrote:
I'm thinking here of the closed fingering techniques, one finger off at a
time, no choyting etc.
Hi Colin and others,
The closed-fingering technique derives much more from the nature of the
instrument rather than any opinions about style.
Since the
Hello Francis,
Quite so, but, playing devil's advocate for a minute, (and loving
tradition except where it becomes tribal), does the fact that we can
play staccato and 99% of other pipes can't, mean it's all we should do?
The harpsichord, after all, could only really play staccato or slightly
Since the NSP chanter has a stopped end, there would be little point in
adopting anything other than this fingering style, which allows separate
notes with (usually) a distinguishable silence between each. This is
something that no other bagpipe can do. In fact it would be difficult to
think
Hello Richard,
I think we pretty much agree.
Who, for example, would want to play Rothbury Hills in a staccato manner?
(Who, indeed would want to play RH in any manner whatsoever, some might
interject.)
However it was composed by a significant piper who happened to be the official
piper to
On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:14, ch...@harris405.plus.com wrote:
The Uilleann pipe chanter can be, and often is, played closed, by resting
the chanter on the knee.
It's possible, but more difficult, to get just as clean, detatched playing
as with nsp.
However this isn't seen as a fundamental
Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com:
Hello Richard,
I think we pretty much agree.
Who, for example, would want to play Rothbury Hills in a staccato manner?
Detached playing is not necessarily staccato. When the notes are long,
the spaces seem even shorter.
(Who, indeed
Love it -- copulating skeletons eh bien 'enri c'est formidable
Thanks for that Barry
cheers
Dave S
On 6/17/2011 10:44 PM, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com:
Ah. harpsichord duets. The sound of skeletons copulating on a
corrugated tin roof.
On 17 Jun 2011, at 21:44, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
The sound of skeletons copulating on a corrugated tin roof.
Rattling the parrot's cage with a toasting fork is another.
What a good thing nobody would ever say anything so cruel about our magnificent
instrument. Positive remarks only,
Positive remarks only, about it's neatness of execution.
When I said it's, I hope it's obvious that its real meaning was its.
Francis
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I do have a set of UPs (nasty cheap ones which I bought reasonably as
they had been over 5 years on the shop shelf and nobody knew anything
about them (yes, from Hobgoblin) - no regulators) but they still weigh a
ton.
The fingering chart I managed to find may give you an idea
Quoting smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk:
Can anyone remember which famous smallpiper once fitted a regulator
to a set of smallpipes and reinvented the melodian (or at least the
sound of one)?
Yes, I can.
As I remember, to my ears it sounded rather like a harmonium.
Barry
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Robbie Greensit, wasn't it?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:07 PM, [1]barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
Quoting [2]smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk:
Can anyone remember which famous smallpiper once fitted a regulator
to a set of smallpipes and reinvented the melodian (or at least the
I did play the NSPs with regulators and won in the other category, not trad.
NSPing.
Adrian
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