the neck length 9 from where the drone stock is tied
into the bag.
Colin R
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From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com
To: Richard York rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk
CC: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 8:33
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
Hello Richard
rosspi...@aol.com wrote:
The bags that Jackie makes are based on my sending him the shape of
Burleigh bags which by the 1960's had proved to a good practical shape
and size i.e. 21 in length, 9 deep with the bag approx. 12x9 with
the neck curving up steeply to avoid pressing against the left
. Now that's another whole thread to
become obsessed with!
Philip
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From: gibbonssoi...@aol.com
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:44 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
I always understood the point of the open-cell foam in the neck
As I understand it, the shape you get if a cartoonist wants to depict a
drop of water: pointy top smoothly widening to rounded belly shape, and
in my mind, the top is not straight but bends off to the side the
chanter's going to go. Again, like the cartoon drop of water.
If I'm wrong, someone
another whole thread to
become obsessed with!
Philip
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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:44 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
I always understood the point of the open-cell foam in the neck
. . . . with all the consequent advantages of strangulation.
I might possibly have meant 'disadvantages'.
Francis
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On 28 Jan 2010, Gibbons, John wrote:
...strangulation
Depends on the piper...
We also have a choice of necks
Do I detect a Northumberland's most wanted column somewhere?
grin
Julia
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On 28 Jan 2010, at 13:16, Julia Say wrote:
Do I detect a Northumberland's most wanted column somewhere?
Something along these lines, perhaps?:
I've got a little list, I've got a little list
Of Society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed, they never would be
Hello Richard,
Many NSP bags can be slightly rectangular in aspect and the 'corner' near the
blowpipe has the potential to annoy some players. If you find that
experimentation in managing the bag differently does not help, a good solution
would be to order a bag with the profile of that edge
What a fascinating thread!
The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter stock
airtight in what amounts to a ridgy hole. It's bad enough with a nice
soft bag with the seam on the outside and the usual leather wedges.
I hate to admit it but the slightly deeper,
On 27 Jan 2010, at 08:46, Anthony Robb wrote:
The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter stock
airtight in what amounts to a ridgy hole.
Hi Anthony,
Yes, that's right. However, the seal is made effective by gouging a very
substantial groove in the stock, into which the
Thanks Francis - lovely stuff - it brightened a very grey morning!!
Anthony
--- On Wed, 27/1/10, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote:
From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com
Cc: Nsplist
Thanks greatly to one and all for these - great food for thought here.
I'm interested that everyone's addressed the matter of how to make the
existing bag shape comfortable, but no-one has offered experience of the
tear-drop shape - are they very rare, or just deeply heretical?
Meanwhile I
: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
What a fascinating thread!
The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter stock
airtight in what amounts to a ridgy hole. It's bad enough with a nice
soft bag with the seam on the outside and the usual leather wedges
On 27 Jan 2010, at 11:04, Julia Say wrote:
I wonder when and why this older and better method was discontinued.
I don't know for definite, but I wonder if it has to do with professional
saddlers,
and the introduction of machinery.
That's a very good observation.
Are there any later
Hi Richard,
Other slight annoyances occuring when messing with bags/neck is
resonance or a change in the resistance to airflow.
Some bag/neck shapes give rise to top A and top B sounding flat at which
point the unsuspecting will start chopping or scraping reeds - BEWARE
Dave Singleton
Hi all
I've just returned from teaching beginner smallpipes and Irish pipes at
Glasgows Celtic connections festival.
Whilst I am a big fan of the Tear drop bag for my own pipes, all my teaching
pipes are on Dagg style sausage bags.
For whatever reason these are easier to casually fit to more
Hi again
Whilst pondering if the old style stitching could be related to
the production of wineskins, and tanning skins as a stitched up bag I found
the following vid, how to make a wineskin.
www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-wineskin
It shows it being stitched apparently wet and turned
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From: oatenp...@googlemail.com
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
On 27 Jan 2010, at 11:04, Julia Say wrote:
I wonder when and why this older and better method was
discontinued.
I don't know for definite, but I wonder if it has
This thread is great - thanks again all.
Resonance affected by neck shape, air flow etc - forgive my ignorance
but does the presence of a bit of foam in the top of the split stock,
put there I assume to prevent either seasoning escaping into chanter or
loose reed escaping into bag, not affect
I always understood the point of the open-cell foam in the neck is to
remove the neck resonance problem referred to earlier. The frequency of
this resonance depends critically on the shape - if you model the bag
as a big cavity with a narrow tubular neck,like a bottle, the formula
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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
What a fascinating thread!
The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter
stock
airtight in what amounts to a ridgy hole. It's bad
Hi Richard,
Excuse me while I mount my hobby-horse.
The size of the bag relative to the body shape of the player can have a
crucial effect on the perceived difficulty of playing the pipes. I
observed the posture of many players in piping meetings and I came to
the conclusion that those who
Hello Richard and Barry,
I agree entirely with the comments here. Comfort and the avoidance of stress
are essential for the effective use of any instrument, and consequently for
musicality.
One aspect of this puzzles me. I have studied a large number of paintings and
engravings showing pipes
Allow me to offer two possible/likely explanations for leaving the seam
facing outward:
1) To sew the whole bag and then turn it inside out sounds like a
(Warning: Americanism Alert!) tin-plated bitch. I don't see either
the chanter stock hole nor the drone stock hole being big
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