Barry,
Don't dismiss the value of music theory in Folk and Traditional music.
Music Theory applies to 'Folk/Traditional' as well as 'Classical'.
When it is considered in a cultural context it is fascinating, and could helps
us
resolve or discount (to an extent) some of the arguments in Northumbri
Then you either need a more attention-getting partner or are way too involved in
piping.
Yer pal,
John Liestman
Quoting colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> And if you have sex WHILE Choyting??
>
>
> Colin Hill
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> To:
> Sent: Friday,
Ah, that was avoiding a choyte whilst typing.
Finger firmly down on the caps lock.
Colin Hill
From: "Richard Shuttleworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: deadly sins
Would you be having sex while choytlin
Colin wrote:
>>>Has anyone come up with the etymology of the word ' choyte'? I find
it being used as a shibboleth and fear >>>that if I refuse to
acknowledge it I will have my fingers cut off.
I wonder if it's a form of "cheat"? (Just a guess - languages are my
business, but a
On 22 Aug 2008, Ian Lawther wrote:
> From first hearing the word "choyte" I have assumed it to be
> onomatopoeic.
I have always assumed it was pitmatic. It also appears to be a word
in both French and Punjabi (thanks, google).
I'll try it on the neighbours
Julia
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From first hearing the word "choyte" I have assumed it to be
onomatopoeic.
It is interesting that an open grace note gets a delicate word like
"hin" in highland canntaireachd where it something wanted and an ugly
word like "choyte" from a Northumbrian piper who says it is wrong.
Ian
To ge
The division is not as easy to make as to a northern / Newcastle one.
Players Chris has mentioned as fitting the Clough style include Hutton,
Armstrong and Atkinson who were just as far north geographically as
Billy Pigg. Clough (if I remember correctly) in his correspondence was
critical of ch
On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone come up with the etymology of the word ' choyte'? I find
it being used as a shibboleth and fear that if I refuse to
acknowledge it I will have my fingers cut off.
That's a good question, and you should be wary of whatever ans
Hi Matt,
As far as?I am concerned Linlithgow is at least Lowland if not Border but I
suppose if it is not technically in the Borders Region I admit I am mistaken.
It could be to do with those pipers in the LBPS who need to separate the Border
piping from the Lowland if we are to get anywhere w
Chris:
> Seriously, though, you make an important point about use of ornaments
> BY CHOICE. Without this we'd never have had the raw expression of
> Billy Pigg ("He was a wild piper, but a lovely bloke" - Tom Clough IV)
> or the edgy earthiness of the first Cut & Dry LP.
As someone who came to t
Thanks Julia,
I was simply suggesting that Dargai is an example of intentional choyting.
Richard
On 22 Aug 2008, Richard Shuttleworth wrote:
What about Dargie (Spelling?), or am I just playing it wrongly -
choyting away to my heart's content :-))
Usually Dargai, I believe, but we know what
On 22 Aug 2008, Richard Shuttleworth wrote:
> What about Dargie (Spelling?), or am I just playing it wrongly -
> choyting away to my heart's content :-))
Usually Dargai, I believe, but we know what you mean
I quote from a recent offlist post about choyting by Mr Ormston:
"Essentially it means
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Earliest example of anyone going over the top re plaid I can think
of was Sir Walter Scott who wore trousers of the stuff woven in the
Border mills probably at Linlithgow.
Nice one Colin - like those old Kentucky Hi
Colin wrote:
The only example of deliberate choyting I know is to be found in the
Peacock Collection in the tune Lochail's March where the small pipes are
meant to imitate the Highland pipe.
end of quote
What about Dargie (Spelling?), or am I just playing it wrongly - choyting
away to my
On 22 Aug 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Earliest example of anyone going over the top re plaid I can think of
> was Sir Walter Scott
It was he who 'orchestrated' George IV's visit to Edinburgh in 1822,
insisting that all the 'Highland gentlemen' should wear appropriate
tartan. Most of them
I have this vivid mental image of a poor piper being met with a slow hand
clap and the cries of "choyte" "choyte" "choyte" after a rendition where
he/she slipped one in in a moment of mental aberration.
Colin Hill
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From: "Gibbons, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EM
Earliest example of anyone going over the top re plaid I can think of was Sir
Walter Scott who wore trousers of the stuff woven in the Border mills probably
at Linlithgow. A bit like the gadgee who comes to the Morpeth Gathering.
I think that anyone commenting on 'Choyting' should be a player o
On 22 Aug 2008, Paul Gretton wrote:
>>>>I've been told the weave was different in each valley
>But being a canny lass, you thought "pull the other one!"
I don't know. It *sounds* plausible enough. But it's nowt to do with
piping.
> >Me meself persunelly, I like the traditional l
"Used to cover musical deficiency? You may so, I couldn't possibly
comment!"
Probably! I tend to use my lugs to hear music, so what the performer wears has
little relevance. Besides, the black and white shepherds' travel rug was worn
on both sides of the border, so like Flett From Flotta, T
Paul wrote:
I don't think Clough meant that everything should be played
staccatissimo. That's not how he played himself, to judge by the
recordings.
Quite the opposite - Clough's suggestion was that the notes should be given
their full length, and the skill was to make the silences in
Julia wrote:
>>3) Plaid is bad
>>>I've been told the weave was different in each valley so that when a
frozen corpse was found on the hills in the spring the body could be
identified.
But being a canny lass, you thought "pull the other one!"
>>>Even then the Duke's pipe
Julia wrote:
>>>However it set me to wondering whether there were connections
between the articulated style of the violinists >>>/ fiddlers of the
period and the articulation of the closed chanter, developing about the
same time (as far >>>as we know).
Articulation is dealt wi
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
> I may have imagined this, but I've a feeling GGA was involved in
> George Atkinson's tuition.
Ah. I thought so, but couldn't place where I'd heard it.
> Thanks for getting me going about piping ensembles too - was it
> intentional???
No, it just sort
On 22 Aug 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I remember reading somewhere (possibly in Boyden's book on the history
> of violin playing,)
>From the same book, which I'm currently reading / ploughing through,
I have bookmarked a small paragraph which remarks (of violinists in
the C17), that the
There's an Arvo Part piece, Credo, which starts quoting Bach in C major,
then as that introduces an accidental, Part introduces more and more,
till
the 'harmony' consists of a nasty 12-note cluster.
I heard him talking about the piece, and he said that first modulation
was like original sin,
intro
I'm afraid I glaze over once we get into classical music theory - my own formal
training was limited to being forced to learn 3rd clarinet in the junior wind
band as an 11 year old - enough to put any young musician off for life. As a
piper I've relied on me fingers and lugs!
Seriously, though,
I may have imagined this, but I've a feeling GGA was involved in George
Atkinson's tuition.
Thanks for getting me going about piping ensembles too - was it intentional???
I've had a few private conversations about this recently, (I hope my
correspondents won't lurk in the background) and ther
>It might have saved us from that Maxwell-Davis stuff
Not to mention Mozart and the Beatles ;-)
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"Where would music be today if tritones had continued to be proscribed and
thirds widely disapproved of as in the middle ages?"
It might have saved us from that Maxwell-Davis stuff
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On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
> it's not just a Clough
> thing. Joe Hutton's playing clearly demonstrated detached fingering
> and contained few open gracings, and I'd urge readers to listen to his
> earlier recordings . George Atkinson's name appears again and again on the
> competiti
An analogy FWIW:
I remember reading somewhere (possibly in Boyden's book on the history of
violin playing, inter alia) that "harpsichordist do out of choice (for
expressive reasons) what string players do out of necessity" - in other words
arpeggiate chords. Lutenists do the same thing "so as n
While we're fortunate to have some written evidence of Clough's thoughts on all
this, it's important to recognise other examples of clean, closed fingering
from recent history - it's not just a Clough thing. Joe Hutton's playing
clearly demonstrated detached fingering and contained few open gra
On 22 Aug 2008, Gibbons, John wrote:
> Not executed properly? But isn't it meant to sound like that?
> The cry of the curlew, bleating of sheep etc
I withdraw that comment - possibly it's the piper doing it who should
be executed properly.
Julia
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Just this morning I couldn't hear the pit hooter for all those pesky curlews
and sheep!
Chris
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From: Gibbons, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 August 2008 11:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: jhf
"Adrian gives an excellent descr
"Adrian gives an excellent description of the top a to g note gracing as
sounding like a seagull in pain if not executed properly, which is one
prominent example of open gracing very commonly heard."
Not executed properly? But isn't it meant to sound like that?
The cry of the curlew, bleating of
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
,
> I've just had an off-list request for an explanation of choyting.
> Clough described it as "To grace a note in the manner of a Highland
> piper" i.e. to play a grace note, then a melody note without silence
> between the two.
and (in reference to the 1
Dear All,
I've just had an off-list request for an explanation of choyting. Clough
described it as "To grace a note in the manner of a Highland piper" i.e. to
play a grace note, then a melody note without silence between the two. Reading
between the lines of his correspondence with Will Cocks
Thanks - I hope my fingering is more accurate than my memory for dates!
Chris
"Tough on choyting, tough on the causers of choyting"
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Sent: 22 August 2008 10:11
To: nsp
Subject: [NSP] Re: jhf
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chr
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
> Bellingham Show?"
> Tom Clough's Bellingham
> adjudication speech from the 1930s still applies!!
October 1923:
"The chief aim of any player is to produce good music. Now this can
only be attained by the proper use of his musical instrument.
There are tw
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From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 August 2008 00:37
To: nsp
Subject: [NSP] jhf
"I would like a straight version of Forsters 'Jim Halls Fancy'"
Well you'll not find it on Canal Street!
"p.s. can I choyt at the Bellingham Show?"
You can - but don't
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