[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[what.me]

I'm getting pissed of with this.
Colin has done a lot for the NPS. (If his health is up to it) - can WE 
propose Colin?

Change the rules if mayme, this thread is going on too long.





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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross - Hedworth Pipes

[colin]

I too have a set made by Bill from the early 70's and Colin fettled them for 
me (and a great job too) as there were a few things that needed tweaking as 
there were a few adjustments that Bill had forgotten to make (although I 
drilled a hole under the ring on the G drone myself as Bill had forgotten to 
do that as well). He was quite old by then, of course.

It was like getting a new set.
Colin Hill
- Original Message - 
From: "Ian Lawther" 

To: "Anthony Robb" 
Cc: "Dartmouth NPS" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross




I would further add that when I started playing the  Northumbrian pipes in 
the early 1970s the only source for pipes I could find was Bill Hedworth. 
I,  like many others, am grateful that Bill was there and I loved those 
pipes dearly,  but the quality of pipes today, not just the choice of 
makers, is much better and this too is very much due to Colin's influence. 
And that influence is not just within the  North East of England - I 
believe that  the two NSP makers here in the US  both spent time learning 
from Colin.


I had emialed Julia suggesting Colin earlier this week but for some reason 
the email bounced. So please add me to the list of supporters.


Ian Lawther


Anthony Robb wrote:

   I'm well aware some of you are fairly new to piping and may not be au
   fait with some of Colin's achievements. Here is a brief list from my
   perspective:

 * It was Colin Ross who made his own pipes and took them throughout
   the world touring with the High Level Ranters from the mid 60s
   onwards
 * It was Colin Ross who further promoted the pipes on "Alang the
   Coaly Tyne" and "Northumberland Forever" in the late 60s early70s
 * It was Colin Ross who turned down the opportunity of a solo album
   in the mid 70s and brought together the musicians that would 
become

   the "Cut & Dry Band" to make two important pipes-based albums
 * It was Colin Ross who, through interviews on national radio and
   several appearances on TV made every folkie in the UK aware of the
   pipes in the 70s and conjured up enough interest nationally and
   internationally to make it possible for a budding young maker
   (David Burleigh) to give up being a taxidermist at the Hancock
   Museum and turn full time pipes maker.
 * It was Colin Ross who provided the vision and driving force to
   quadruple the size of the Society in an increasingly competitive
   world when it's never been easier to access pipes music and
   information from other sources
 * It is Colin Ross who has been a stalwart pillar and inspiration to
   members of this Society consistently and conscientiously for 45
   years.

   Hoping this helps people to realise that despite my personal
   differences with Colin, his  achievements dwarf those of the rest of 
us

   and quite probably those of the rest of the Society's officers
   combined.

   As aye

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[NSP] Re: e-mail correspondence with NPS members

[Francis Wood]

My sentiments exactly.

Francis


On 21 May 2009, at 11:41, tim rolls BT wrote:


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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Anthony Robb]

   Hello Chris
   It seems it wasn't aginst the rules - it was deemed "inappropriate",
   and even if the rules stated (which they don't) that the chairman
   couldn't become president, it could  have been sorted easily by Colin
   relinquishing the chairmanship. As I said, I phoned Colin (rather
   belatedly) to get his take on the situation and he is philisophical
   about it all but I also know he'd have been delighted to accept the
   presidency had the committee been serious about endeavouring to offer
   him it. The more I dwell on it the worse it becomes.
   As aye
   Anthony
   --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Chris Harris  wrote:

 From: Chris Harris 
 Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:21 PM

   I'm not sure it was an opportunity missed.
   If I understand the situation correctly (and maybe I don't), it wasn't
   possible, according to the rules.
   And Julia is absolutely right, that the rules can't just be set aside
   because they are inconvenient at a particular point.
   Having said that, I fully agree that Colin should be honoured in
   whatever
   way may be possible.
   If it is still possible for him to be President at this stage, within
   the
   rules, I'd be all for it.
   I do feel a bit sorry for the lady who's already been asked, though.
   Chris Harris
   -Original Message-
   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
   Of Anthony Robb
   Sent: 21 May 2009 17:09
   To: Matt Seattle; Daphne Briggs
   Cc: [3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
  Hello All
  I managed to phone Colin after my last posting and was very
   interested
  to hear what he had to say.
  May I be naughty and ask people reading this to email me if they too
  think it was an opportunity missed to overlook Colin for this
   position.
  As aye
  Anthony
  --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Daphne Briggs <[4]daphne.bri...@waitrose.com>
   wrote:
From: Daphne Briggs <[5]daphne.bri...@waitrose.com>
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
To: "Matt Seattle" <[6]theborderpi...@googlemail.com>
Cc: [7]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 4:56 PM
  Likewise from me, with the same proviso.
  On 21 May 2009, at 10:49, Matt Seattle wrote:
  > Another vote in favour - if Colin is willing, obviously
  >
  >
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Chris Harris]

I'm not sure it was an opportunity missed.
If I understand the situation correctly (and maybe I don't), it wasn't
possible, according to the rules.
And Julia is absolutely right, that the rules can't just be set aside
because they are inconvenient at a particular point.
Having said that, I fully agree that Colin should be honoured in whatever
way may be possible.
If it is still possible for him to be President at this stage, within the
rules, I'd be all for it.
I do feel a bit sorry for the lady who's already been asked, though.

Chris Harris

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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Anthony Robb
Sent: 21 May 2009 17:09
To: Matt Seattle; Daphne Briggs
Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross



   Hello All
   I managed to phone Colin after my last posting and was very interested
   to hear what he had to say.
   May I be naughty and ask people reading this to email me if they too
   think it was an opportunity missed to overlook Colin for this position.
   As aye
   Anthony
   --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Daphne Briggs  wrote:

 From: Daphne Briggs 
 Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
 To: "Matt Seattle" 
 Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 4:56 PM

   Likewise from me, with the same proviso.
   On 21 May 2009, at 10:49, Matt Seattle wrote:
   > Another vote in favour - if Colin is willing, obviously
   >
   >
   >
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Marianne Hall]

   These three "candidates" occurred to me too. I wonder if they were
   approached.
   Marianne.

   > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 18:59:37 +0100
   > To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
   > From: what...@ntlworld.com
   > Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
   >
   > I would certainly vote for Colin to be president even though I don't
   agree
   > with some of the things he says or does. I hope he gets on the mend
   soon
   > too.
   > I certainly don't want some politition to be the President and I will
   not
   > accept any cups or medals off her.
   > If not Colin then how about Dianna Blackett-Ord, Rowland Lofthouse or
   > Pauline Cato?-some young blood would be nice for a change.
   > Adrian
   >
   >
   >
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[what.me]

I would certainly vote for Colin to be president even though I don't agree 
with some of the things he says or does. I hope he gets on the mend soon 
too.
I certainly don't want some politition to be the President and I will not 
accept any cups or medals off her.
If not Colin then how about  Dianna Blackett-Ord, Rowland Lofthouse or 
Pauline Cato?-some young blood would be nice for a change.
Adrian 




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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Julia Say]

On 21 May 2009, Ian Lawther wrote: 

> I had emialed Julia suggesting Colin earlier this week but for some
> reason the email bounced. 

Ian - I just tried to acknowledge receipt of this message offlist, 
but I too got a bounce message:

 SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
host mx2.comcast.net [76.96.30.116]: 554 
IMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net comcast 62.149.35.15 Comcast 
block
for spam.  Please see h-tt-
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Ian Lawther]

I would further add that when I started playing the  Northumbrian pipes 
in the early 1970s the only source for pipes I could find was Bill 
Hedworth. I,  like many others, am grateful that Bill was there and I 
loved those pipes dearly,  but the quality of pipes today, not just the 
choice of makers, is much better and this too is very much due to 
Colin's influence.  And that influence is not just within the  North 
East of England - I believe that  the two NSP makers here in the US  
both spent time learning from Colin.


I had emialed Julia suggesting Colin earlier this week but for some 
reason the email bounced. So please add me to the list of supporters.


Ian Lawther


Anthony Robb wrote:

   I'm well aware some of you are fairly new to piping and may not be au
   fait with some of Colin's achievements. Here is a brief list from my
   perspective:

 * It was Colin Ross who made his own pipes and took them throughout
   the world touring with the High Level Ranters from the mid 60s
   onwards
 * It was Colin Ross who further promoted the pipes on "Alang the
   Coaly Tyne" and "Northumberland Forever" in the late 60s early70s
 * It was Colin Ross who turned down the opportunity of a solo album
   in the mid 70s and brought together the musicians that would become
   the "Cut & Dry Band" to make two important pipes-based albums
 * It was Colin Ross who, through interviews on national radio and
   several appearances on TV made every folkie in the UK aware of the
   pipes in the 70s and conjured up enough interest nationally and
   internationally to make it possible for a budding young maker
   (David Burleigh) to give up being a taxidermist at the Hancock
   Museum and turn full time pipes maker.
 * It was Colin Ross who provided the vision and driving force to
   quadruple the size of the Society in an increasingly competitive
   world when it's never been easier to access pipes music and
   information from other sources
 * It is Colin Ross who has been a stalwart pillar and inspiration to
   members of this Society consistently and conscientiously for 45
   years.

   Hoping this helps people to realise that despite my personal
   differences with Colin, his  achievements dwarf those of the rest of us
   and quite probably those of the rest of the Society's officers
   combined.

   As aye

   Anthony

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[NSP] Colin Ross

[Anthony Robb]

   I'm well aware some of you are fairly new to piping and may not be au
   fait with some of Colin's achievements. Here is a brief list from my
   perspective:

 * It was Colin Ross who made his own pipes and took them throughout
   the world touring with the High Level Ranters from the mid 60s
   onwards
 * It was Colin Ross who further promoted the pipes on "Alang the
   Coaly Tyne" and "Northumberland Forever" in the late 60s early70s
 * It was Colin Ross who turned down the opportunity of a solo album
   in the mid 70s and brought together the musicians that would become
   the "Cut & Dry Band" to make two important pipes-based albums
 * It was Colin Ross who, through interviews on national radio and
   several appearances on TV made every folkie in the UK aware of the
   pipes in the 70s and conjured up enough interest nationally and
   internationally to make it possible for a budding young maker
   (David Burleigh) to give up being a taxidermist at the Hancock
   Museum and turn full time pipes maker.
 * It was Colin Ross who provided the vision and driving force to
   quadruple the size of the Society in an increasingly competitive
   world when it's never been easier to access pipes music and
   information from other sources
 * It is Colin Ross who has been a stalwart pillar and inspiration to
   members of this Society consistently and conscientiously for 45
   years.

   Hoping this helps people to realise that despite my personal
   differences with Colin, his  achievements dwarf those of the rest of us
   and quite probably those of the rest of the Society's officers
   combined.

   As aye

   Anthony

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[NSP] Re: (Fwd) Re: President election process

[Julia Say]

On 21 May 2009, Neil Tavernor wrote: 

> And these rules can never be changed!!!

Of course they can be, and there is a due process for that too. The 
membership would be down like a ton of bricks if the committee or a 
faction of it started to change the rules to suit themselves at any 
given moment.

Julia



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Anthony Robb]

   Hello All
   I managed to phone Colin after my last posting and was very interested
   to hear what he had to say.
   May I be naughty and ask people reading this to email me if they too
   think it was an opportunity missed to overlook Colin for this position.
   As aye
   Anthony
   --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Daphne Briggs  wrote:

 From: Daphne Briggs 
 Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
 To: "Matt Seattle" 
 Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 4:56 PM

   Likewise from me, with the same proviso.
   On 21 May 2009, at 10:49, Matt Seattle wrote:
   > Another vote in favour - if Colin is willing, obviously
   >
   >
   >
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   >
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Daphne Briggs]

Likewise from me, with the same proviso.

On 21 May 2009, at 10:49, Matt Seattle wrote:


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[NSP] Re: (Fwd) Re: President election process

[Neil Tavernor]

Refering to Julia's last paragrap.

And these rules can never be changed!!!


- Original Message - 
From: "Julia Say" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: [NSP] (Fwd) Re: President election process



This was my response to Bob's post, also sent offlist.

--- Forwarded message follows ---

On 21 May 2009, Robert Greef wrote: 

can you please clarify? 


1) will the presidential election be by a vote at the EGM? 


No, the EGM is a ratification process of a candidate already selected
by the committee. (see rules, p. 57, item 5)

2) are proxy votes allowed, or is it by  members present? 


To date, it has always been members present.

3) is there a fixed counting process e.g. secret
ballot, show of hands etc? 


Previous presidential elections have been by popular acclamation.

4) is there a fixed list of candidates

prior, or can nominations be received from the floor?


See (1). Colin was trying to persuade the committee to open the 
process to members, but as Susan correctly states it is otherwise in

the current rules, and the committee feel they have to abide by them.

I hope this helps
Julia


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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Anita Evans]

Julia Say wrote:

This will still only cover about 80% of members (if that). As you 
will appreciate, it is a slightly different order of magnitude job to 
set up such a list for 850 members than it is for 80-odd.


I have been hoping that it could be done via the website, but as you 
know this (in some respects) did not materialise as expected, and the 
matter is only now being sorted out by the installation of a new one.





just a brief - ish aside on the subject mailing lists - I've been trying 
to set up an 'announcements' only list for the LBPS and found a number 
of difficulties, not least ensuring that members keep us up to date with 
their email addresses and that mailings don't end up in their junk 
folders. I tried a Google group before realising that people had to sign 
up for a Google account which many didn't want to do. I'm currently 
working on a more personalised list, but it is still fraught with 
problems (including privacy settings) and we are sticking with 
newsletters via snail mail at least for now. Anyway Julia, if you find a 
solution I will be pleased to hear about it!


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[NSP] (Fwd) Re: President election process

[Julia Say]

This was my response to Bob's post, also sent offlist.

--- Forwarded message follows ---

On 21 May 2009, Robert Greef wrote: 

> can you please clarify? 

1) will the presidential election be by a vote at the EGM? 

No, the EGM is a ratification process of a candidate already selected
by the committee. (see rules, p. 57, item 5)

2) are proxy votes allowed, or is it by  members present? 

To date, it has always been members present.

3) is there a fixed counting process e.g. secret
 ballot, show of hands etc? 

Previous presidential elections have been by popular acclamation.

4) is there a fixed list of candidates
> prior, or can nominations be received from the floor?

See (1). Colin was trying to persuade the committee to open the 
process to members, but as Susan correctly states it is otherwise in
the current rules, and the committee feel they have to abide by them.

I hope this helps
Julia


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[NSP] (Fwd) Re: President election process

[Julia Say]

Bob Greef sent this to me only, by accident, and has asked me to 
forward it to the list.


--- Forwarded message follows ---

From: "Robert Greef" 
To: 

Dear Julia,
As I am sure you are the best person to answer these questions on the
election process, can you please clarify? 1) will the presidential
election be by a vote at the EGM? 2) are proxy votes allowed, or is 
it
by  members present? 3) is there a fixed counting process e.g. secret
ballot, show of hands etc? 4) is there a fixed list of candidates
prior, or can nominations be received from the floor?

I was going to go on..., but Susan's contribution arrived while I am
composing this, and it does answer the rest of my queries!

Many thanks,
Robert 



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Gibbons, John]

Colin's services to the instrument and its music are huge - and far outweigh 
any recent disagreements.
His contribution to pipemaking alone is vast; his contribution to the music 
over decades, is equally so.
That there are so many pipers today, playing beautiful and reliable instruments 
in the same pitch, when half a century ago there were, comparatively, just a 
handful, is largely down to both Colin's pipemaking and his consistent 
encouragement of pipers.

John



 



-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Helen Capes
Sent: 21 May 2009 09:40
To: Anthony Robb; Dartmouth NPS
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

I agree with Anthony. I think Colin has to be one of the most deserving 
people in decades. Surely this is a great opportunity to appoint a president 
in recognition of a huge contribution to our instrument.
Helen

- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Robb" 
To: "Dartmouth NPS" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: [NSP] Colin Ross


>
>   Dear All
>   What a shame Colin Ross has stood down from the chairmanship of the
>   society in these circumstances. Colin & I do not always see eye to eye
>   about some things, but the fact remains that his devotion to, and
>   knowledge of piping, and pipes-making remain unsurpassed. After over 40
>   years of absolute commitment to our cause I would have thought he'd
>   have been an obvious contender for the Presidency of the Society. Is
>   this me being totally naive? I feel an opportunity to recognise the
>   contribution of one of the giants of the Northumbrian piping world has
>   been missed.
>   As aye
>   Anthony
>
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Anthony Robb]

   Hello Folks
   Is it a Society rule that the Chairman can not become the President? If
   so, why didn't the committee suggest he stand down immediately in order
   to be eligible?
   Huge is not quite the word to describe Colin's contribution. He was a
   trail-blazer at a time when there was not a single professional
   pipe-maker. People who have entered the piping world in the last 20
   years do not have a clue about Colin's real contribution. Absolutely
   outstanding is a truer assessment; I know Colin is prone to stress
   problems but the role of President would have eased his burden and been
   a perfect recognition of this. Unless of course, heaven forfend, it is
   the committee that has caused his stress in the first place.
   One does wonder.
   As aye
   Anthony
   --- On Thu, 21/5/09, suzefis...@aol.com  wrote:

 From: suzefis...@aol.com 
 Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 11:26 AM

   Dear all
   I'd like to respond to the first part of Pauls e mail.
   No one is doubting the huge contribution Colin has made to the NPS and
   piping in general.
   However as a Society with written rules the committee is obliged to
   abide by them.
   At the time of Jim's death Colin was Chairman, the rules clearly stat
   that a new President should be appointed within 6 months of the
   position being vacant.
   Members must be given notice of the EGM required to ratify the
   committee's  recommendation, therefore a new President was needed by
   mid June so a notice can go out in the July newsletter.
   As Colin was Chairman it was not appropriate for him to be considered
   as President. At the committee meeting on 21st March Colin removed
   himself from the list of potential candidates.
   A short list was drawn up and Julia tasked to contact the favoured
   candidate. This she has done and Joyce Quinn has accepted.
   I would have thought that the fact that Colin has resigned at the
   recommendation of his doctor, would indicate that he needs to take some
   time out from all things, to allow himself to recover his health.
   Susan Craven
   -Original Message-
   From: Hilary Paton <[1]h.pa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
   To: [2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton <[3]i...@gretton-willems.com>
   Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:13
   Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
   I would like to respond to the second part of this posting.
   I am amazed that in the current world of most p
   rople having computers
   that
   the NPS does not use emails to update and send out information to its
   members. Instead there is a reliance on people subscribing to a
   voluntary
   list. Several years agin, I came off dartmouth due to recieving viruses
   which I trsaced back to being a member of this list, despite vhaving
   virus
   protection. As a member of the NPS committee, I don't think it is
   considered
   to be part of the role to be on the dartmouth mailing list.
   Is it not time the NPS set up its own mailing list to email members who
   have
   supplied an email address, of which there are many who I know are not
   on
   dartmouth.
   Hilary
   - Original Message -
   From: "Paul Gretton" <[4]i...@gretton-willems.com>
   To: <[5]...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:45 AM
   Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
   > If Colin is available, then it would seem bizarre -- and a gratuitous
   > insult
   > -- to appoint anyone else, certainly some politician whom none of us
   have
   > ever heard of in a piping context and who isn't even a member of the
   > society. Other similar organisations normally have a president who is
   > eminent as a maker, player, scholar etc. of the instrument concerned.
   > Examples include the LBPS and even the Piobaireachd Society
   (nowadays).
   >
   >
   > BTW, I'm intrigued by your remark "...the committee, not all of whom
   read
   > this list." All but one of the committee would appear to have a
   compu
   ter.
   > I
   > wonder why they would not want to keep track of this list?
   >
   > Cheers,
   >
   > Paul Gretton
   >
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   > Behalf
   > Of Julia Say
   > Sent: 21 May 2009 11:17
   > To: [8]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   > Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
   >
   > On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote:
   >
   >> Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be
   >> recognised and this would be one way to do it.
   >
   > All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and
   > ones I have received offlist.
   > To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other person has
   > been mentioned.
   >
   > I will report this to the committee, not all of whom read this list.
   >
   > Julia Say
   >
   >
   >
   > To get on or off this list see list information at
   > [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >
   >
   >

[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[colin]

I'd also like a add a little to this.
We need, I think, to realise that one doesn't have to be a member of the 
society  to be on the list.

That poses a problem.
Discussions and comments on society matters here may be held by 
non-interested parties (as far as the society is concerned).

Is that good?
In-fighting isn't going to make us look very good, is it?
Secondly, many of the members live too far away to attend meetings etc in 
person (I managed one AGM back in the 70's) but, maybe, they would like to 
know what's happening rather than wait for a newsletter or read it on a 
public forum.
A dedicated "official" NPS member's list for news etc would, I think, be 
appreciated and, again I would think, not take that much work (sending 
copies of emails to all members - I'm sure there's a button somewhere that 
would do that - unless all the Spam I get is individually hand-written just 
for me :)

As for Colin Ross.
I appreciate what's been said plus the "doctor's advice" to take things easy 
but it shouldn't be beyond the committee to make some sort of "lifetime 
achievement" position available and some sort of post available should he 
wish to participate. If not, I'm sure something could be forthcoming that 
wouldn't require any particular involvement but would still recognise the 
amount of time and work he has put into the society for so many years.
He must have the recognition he deserves - the equivalent of a Blue Peter 
badge would be nice (gold, of course) - and as something more special and 
individual than normal society honours would be appropriate.
We need to remember that Colin has been promoting the pipes for a long 
time - long before many present members made their first choyte and when the 
pipes were far less known (and many fewer players) than they are today.
I have been involved with other committees where long standing and hard 
working members have been felt to be "yesterday's people" and younger 
members have voted them out or caused a resignation and links are broken and 
valuable experience lost forever.

It then turns out that they keep saying " I wish we could ask.."
I hope that won't happen here.

OK, I think that's enough :)

Colin Hill

- Original Message - 
From: "Hilary Paton" 

To: ; "Paul Gretton" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross




I would like to respond to the second part of this posting.
I am amazed that in the current world of most prople having computers that 
the NPS does not use emails to update and send out information to its 
members. Instead there is a reliance on people subscribing to a voluntary 
list. Several years agin, I came off dartmouth due to recieving viruses 
which I trsaced back to being a member of this list, despite vhaving virus 
protection. As a member of the NPS committee, I don't think it is 
considered to be part of the role to be on the dartmouth mailing list.
Is it not time the NPS set up its own mailing list to email members who 
have supplied an email address, of which there are many who I know are not 
on dartmouth.

Hilary

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Gretton" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross


If Colin is available, then it would seem bizarre -- and a gratuitous 
insult

-- to appoint anyone else, certainly some politician whom none of us have
ever heard of in a piping context and who isn't even a member of the
society. Other similar organisations normally have a president who is
eminent as a maker, player, scholar etc. of the instrument concerned.
Examples include the LBPS and even the Piobaireachd Society (nowadays).


BTW, I'm intrigued by your remark "...the committee, not all of whom read
this list." All but one of the committee would appear to have a computer. 
I

wonder why they would not want to keep track of this list?

Cheers,

Paul Gretton



-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
Behalf

Of Julia Say
Sent: 21 May 2009 11:17
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote:


Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be
recognised and this would be one way to do it.


All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and
ones I have received offlist.
To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other person has
been mentioned.

I will report this to the committee, not all of whom read this list.

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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Paul Gretton]

Thank you for the explanation.

I think that those of us who want to see Colin as President are assuming (a)
that he would be prepared to accept the post, (b) that his health would
allow it, and (c) that the duties of Chairman and President  are
sufficiently different that he would feel healthy enough to take up the
latter post even though he has resigned the former.

I would hope that the committee would be able to find some solution --
within the rules -- that would allow Colin to become President if (a), (b),
and (c) apply.


Cheers,

Paul Gretton

 
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of suzefis...@aol.com
Sent: 21 May 2009 12:27
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

Dear all
I'd like to respond to the first part of Pauls e mail.
No one is doubting the huge contribution Colin has made to the NPS and 
piping in general.
However as a Society with written rules the committee is obliged to 
abide by them.
At the time of Jim's death Colin was Chairman, the rules clearly stat 
that a new President should be appointed within 6 months of the 
position being vacant.
Members must be given notice of the EGM required to ratify the 
committee's  recommendation, therefore a new President was needed by 
mid June so a notice can go out in the July newsletter.
As Colin was Chairman it was not appropriate for him to be considered 
as President. At the committee meeting on 21st March Colin removed 
himself from the list of potential candidates.
A short list was drawn up and Julia tasked to contact the favoured 
candidate. This she has done and Joyce Quinn has accepted.
I would have thought that the fact that Colin has resigned at the 
recommendation of his doctor, would indicate that he needs to take some 
time out from all things, to allow himself to recover his health.
Susan Craven



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[NSP] Re:

[what.me]

I am not at all happy with having Joyce Quin as President. I think someone, 
at least who is a member and has contributed to piping in someway, should 
be. It seems to me most of the Presidents have been from the elite side of 
society. It's about time this was knocked on the head. Na Piobairi Uilleann 
don't have any Patron or President as far as I know. I have now got to 
consider is the NSP going in the right direction for me and is the NSP a 
society in which I want to belong to.
Adrian 




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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Julia Say]

On 21 May 2009, Hilary Paton wrote: 

>  Is it not time the NPS set up its own mailing
> list to email members who have supplied an email address

Yes. 

This will still only cover about 80% of members (if that). As you 
will appreciate, it is a slightly different order of magnitude job to 
set up such a list for 850 members than it is for 80-odd.

I have been hoping that it could be done via the website, but as you 
know this (in some respects) did not materialise as expected, and the 
matter is only now being sorted out by the installation of a new one.

Julia



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[suzefisher]

Dear all
I'd like to respond to the first part of Pauls e mail.
No one is doubting the huge contribution Colin has made to the NPS and
piping in general.
However as a Society with written rules the committee is obliged to
abide by them.
At the time of Jim's death Colin was Chairman, the rules clearly stat
that a new President should be appointed within 6 months of the
position being vacant.
Members must be given notice of the EGM required to ratify the
committee’s  recommendation, therefore a new President was needed by
mid June so a notice can go out in the July newsletter.
As Colin was Chairman it was not appropriate for him to be considered
as President. At the committee meeting on 21st March Colin removed
himself from the list of potential candidates.
A short list was drawn up and Julia tasked to contact the favoured
candidate. This she has done and Joyce Quinn has accepted.
I would have thought that the fact that Colin has resigned at the
recommendation of his doctor, would indicate that he needs to take some
time out from all things, to allow himself to recover his health.
Susan Craven


-Original Message-
From: Hilary Paton 
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton 
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:13
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

I would like to respond to the second part of this posting.
I am amazed that in the current world of most p
rople having computers
that
the NPS does not use emails to update and send out information to its
members. Instead there is a reliance on people subscribing to a
voluntary
list. Several years agin, I came off dartmouth due to recieving viruses
which I trsaced back to being a member of this list, despite vhaving
virus
protection. As a member of the NPS committee, I don't think it is
considered
to be part of the role to be on the dartmouth mailing list.
Is it not time the NPS set up its own mailing list to email members who
have
supplied an email address, of which there are many who I know are not
on
dartmouth.
Hilary

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Gretton" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross



If Colin is available, then it would seem bizarre -- and a gratuitous
insult
-- to appoint anyone else, certainly some politician whom none of us

have

ever heard of in a piping context and who isn't even a member of the
society. Other similar organisations normally have a president who is
eminent as a maker, player, scholar etc. of the instrument concerned.
Examples include the LBPS and even the Piobaireachd Society

(nowadays).



BTW, I'm intrigued by your remark "...the committee, not all of whom

read

this list." All but one of the committee would appear to have a

compu
ter.

I
wonder why they would not want to keep track of this list?

Cheers,

Paul Gretton



-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf
Of Julia Say
Sent: 21 May 2009 11:17
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote:


Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be
recognised and this would be one way to do it.


All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and
ones I have received offlist.
To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other person has
been mentioned.

I will report this to the committee, not all of whom read this list.

Julia Say



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Julia Say]

On 21 May 2009, Paul Gretton wrote: 

>  All but one of the committee would appear to have a
> computer. I wonder why they would not want to keep track of this list?

All the committee have access to a computer, but one is only using a 
work one, which cannot accept large volumes of private mail. Other 
committee members use theirs for essential traffic only, and don't 
wish to get involved in the internet world. One is visually 
restricted, receives email only via his mobile phone and cannot cope 
with list traffic.

Some have just got ragged off with this list.

However I believe about half do follow it.

Julia



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Hilary Paton]

I would like to respond to the second part of this posting.
I am amazed that in the current world of most prople having computers that 
the NPS does not use emails to update and send out information to its 
members. Instead there is a reliance on people subscribing to a voluntary 
list. Several years agin, I came off dartmouth due to recieving viruses 
which I trsaced back to being a member of this list, despite vhaving virus 
protection. As a member of the NPS committee, I don't think it is considered 
to be part of the role to be on the dartmouth mailing list.
Is it not time the NPS set up its own mailing list to email members who have 
supplied an email address, of which there are many who I know are not on 
dartmouth.

Hilary

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Gretton" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross


If Colin is available, then it would seem bizarre -- and a gratuitous 
insult

-- to appoint anyone else, certainly some politician whom none of us have
ever heard of in a piping context and who isn't even a member of the
society. Other similar organisations normally have a president who is
eminent as a maker, player, scholar etc. of the instrument concerned.
Examples include the LBPS and even the Piobaireachd Society (nowadays).


BTW, I'm intrigued by your remark "...the committee, not all of whom read
this list." All but one of the committee would appear to have a computer. 
I

wonder why they would not want to keep track of this list?

Cheers,

Paul Gretton



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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
Behalf

Of Julia Say
Sent: 21 May 2009 11:17
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote:


Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be
recognised and this would be one way to do it.


All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and
ones I have received offlist.
To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other person has
been mentioned.

I will report this to the committee, not all of whom read this list.

Julia Say



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Marianne Hall]

   Count me in too.
   Marianne.

   > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:49:54 +0100
   > To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
   > From: theborderpi...@googlemail.com
   > Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross
   >
   > Another vote in favour - if Colin is willing, obviously
   >
   >
   >
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Di Jevons]

Am I missing something here?  Being very much on the fringe, as it were, I 
would have thought that as Colin has stood down from the committee for 
medical reasons on the advice of his doctor, that the same reasons would 
necessarily preclude him from selection for A.N.other post, for the good of 
his health.

Di Jevons


- Original Message - 
From: "Simon James" 

To: "Dartmouth NPS" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross



  I don't often comment these days, but, like a lot of NPS Members, I'm
  still lurking...

  I'd support this

  Simon
  On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Helen Capes
  <[1]helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

I agree with Anthony. I think Colin has to be one of the most
deserving people in decades. Surely this is a great opportunity to
appoint a president in recognition of a huge contribution to our
instrument.
Helen

  - Original Message - From: "Anthony Robb"
  <[2]anth...@robbpipes.com>
  To: "Dartmouth NPS" <[3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu>

Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:55 PM

  Subject: [NSP] Colin Ross

 Dear All
 What a shame Colin Ross has stood down from the chairmanship of the
 society in these circumstances. Colin & I do not always see eye to
eye
 about some things, but the fact remains that his devotion to, and
 knowledge of piping, and pipes-making remain unsurpassed. After
over 40
 years of absolute commitment to our cause I would have thought he'd
 have been an obvious contender for the Presidency of the Society.
Is
 this me being totally naive? I feel an opportunity to recognise the
 contribution of one of the giants of the Northumbrian piping world
has
 been missed.
 As aye
 Anthony
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Matt Seattle]

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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Paul Gretton]

If Colin is available, then it would seem bizarre -- and a gratuitous insult
-- to appoint anyone else, certainly some politician whom none of us have
ever heard of in a piping context and who isn't even a member of the
society. Other similar organisations normally have a president who is
eminent as a maker, player, scholar etc. of the instrument concerned.
Examples include the LBPS and even the Piobaireachd Society (nowadays). 


BTW, I'm intrigued by your remark "...the committee, not all of whom read
this list." All but one of the committee would appear to have a computer. I
wonder why they would not want to keep track of this list?

Cheers,

Paul Gretton



-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Julia Say
Sent: 21 May 2009 11:17
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross

On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote: 

> Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be
> recognised and this would be one way to do it.

All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and 
ones I have received offlist.
To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other person has 
been mentioned.

I will report this to the committee, not all of whom read this list.

Julia Say



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Philip Gruar]

I would whole-heartedly support any move to appoint Colin as President, for 
"Lifetime Achievement" reasons, but ONLY if he himself were entirely happy 
with it. He certainly doesn't need the sort of back-biting criticism which 
now seems all too prevalent. Maybe a "public figure" outside the mainstream 
would be less at risk from all that. This begs the question of what does the 
President actually DO, and do we really need one?

Is there some other way Colin's achievement can be recognised?

Philip 




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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Julia Say]

On 21 May 2009, malcra...@aol.com wrote: 

> As chairman, didn't Colin help select the new president?

Colin withdrew his name from the original list of suggestions on 
which a vote was taken.

So, yes, he took part in the process.
No, he was not a candidate at that point.

My last posting stands. This correspondence represents significant 
views by members of the NPS, and as such will be reported to the 
committee.

Julia Say



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[malcraven]

Julia


As chairman, didn't Colin help select the new president?


He certainly suggested candidates that he thought were suitable at the?last 
newsletter?packing session.


?


Malcolm










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From: Julia Say 

To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu

Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:17 am

Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross





On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote: > Colin's huge contribution over a 
lifetime needs to be  > recognised and this would be one way to do it.
All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and   ones I have 
received offlist.  To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other 
person has   been mentioned.I will report this to the committee, not all of 
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Julia Say]

On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans wrote: 

> Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be
> recognised and this would be one way to do it.

All these responses are being noted, both those on this list, and 
ones I have received offlist.
To date, the suggestions have been unanimous - no other person has 
been mentioned.

I will report this to the committee, not all of whom read this list.

Julia Say



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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Richard Evans]

Anthony Robb wrote:

   Dear All
   What a shame Colin Ross has stood down from the chairmanship of the
   society in these circumstances. Colin & I do not always see eye to eye
   about some things, but the fact remains that his devotion to, and
   knowledge of piping, and pipes-making remain unsurpassed. After over 40
   years of absolute commitment to our cause I would have thought he'd
   have been an obvious contender for the Presidency of the Society.


I totally agree- Colin's huge contribution over a lifetime needs to be 
recognised and this would be one way to do it.


Richard

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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Simon James]

   I don't often comment these days, but, like a lot of NPS Members, I'm
   still lurking...

   I'd support this

   Simon
   On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Helen Capes
   <[1]helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

 I agree with Anthony. I think Colin has to be one of the most
 deserving people in decades. Surely this is a great opportunity to
 appoint a president in recognition of a huge contribution to our
 instrument.
 Helen

   - Original Message - From: "Anthony Robb"
   <[2]anth...@robbpipes.com>
   To: "Dartmouth NPS" <[3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu>

 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:55 PM

   Subject: [NSP] Colin Ross

  Dear All
  What a shame Colin Ross has stood down from the chairmanship of the
  society in these circumstances. Colin & I do not always see eye to
 eye
  about some things, but the fact remains that his devotion to, and
  knowledge of piping, and pipes-making remain unsurpassed. After
 over 40
  years of absolute commitment to our cause I would have thought he'd
  have been an obvious contender for the Presidency of the Society.
 Is
  this me being totally naive? I feel an opportunity to recognise the
  contribution of one of the giants of the Northumbrian piping world
 has
  been missed.
  As aye
  Anthony
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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

[Helen Capes]

I agree with Anthony. I think Colin has to be one of the most deserving 
people in decades. Surely this is a great opportunity to appoint a president 
in recognition of a huge contribution to our instrument.

Helen

- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Robb" 

To: "Dartmouth NPS" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: [NSP] Colin Ross




  Dear All
  What a shame Colin Ross has stood down from the chairmanship of the
  society in these circumstances. Colin & I do not always see eye to eye
  about some things, but the fact remains that his devotion to, and
  knowledge of piping, and pipes-making remain unsurpassed. After over 40
  years of absolute commitment to our cause I would have thought he'd
  have been an obvious contender for the Presidency of the Society. Is
  this me being totally naive? I feel an opportunity to recognise the
  contribution of one of the giants of the Northumbrian piping world has
  been missed.
  As aye
  Anthony

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