[NSP] Re: Intonation

2011-01-12 Thread Colin and Cheryl McNaught
Thanks so much, John, Francis, I'll try climbing out of the ravine today. Colin On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:11 PM, John Liestman <[1]j...@liestman.com> wrote: Francis, you must have the earlier "pre-plateau" version! I have posted a pdf file version at [2]http://www.l

[NSP] Re: Shape notes

2011-01-12 Thread Gibbons, John
I think the point is that untrained ear singers may have a better ear for intervals than for absolute pitch. The shapes are an indication of the interval between the note to be sung and the tonic or subdominant - the 4 shapes correspond to fa, sol, la, and mi - a unison, tone, major third, and

[NSP] Re: Off-topic request for Hymnbook

2011-01-12 Thread Christopher.Birch
Now this is really off-topic but might amuse some. If likely to disapprove, please delete now. I was once taking a sectional rehearsal for the viola in the student orchestra at the Luxembourg conservatoire (where they use the French system) when I found myself "translating" the rehearsal marks

[NSP] Re: Off-topic request for Hymnbook

2011-01-12 Thread Christopher.Birch
Yup, I can sympathise with all this (especially the bit about unintentionally rude or nonsensical - I was once warning a class of Germans learning English to avoid the word "backside" when they mean "back" or "verso" and managed to make precisely the same mistake myself in German while doing so

[NSP] Re: Off-topic request for Hymnbook

2011-01-12 Thread Richard York
I also found it really confusing when trying to teach traditional music in this system to French speaking groups. Given that tonic solfa allows a movable "doh" (Or should that be "Doh!"? ) it's a very helpful system for singing with, as long as you indeed don't forget which of the arbitrary nam

[NSP] Re: Intonation

2011-01-12 Thread Francis Wood
Thanks John. It's a gem! Sunny up here on the plateau. Francis On 12 Jan 2011, at 01:11, John Liestman wrote: > Francis, you must have the earlier "pre-plateau" version! > > I have posted a pdf file version at http://www.liestman.com/plateau.pdf for > anyone to read that is so inclined. It

[NSP] Re: Off-topic request for Hymnbook

2011-01-12 Thread Christopher.Birch
>I think in France they have a "fixed do" system, where mib >=Meeflat = Eb This is correct. At the Conservatoires they teach people to sing the note names, which I personally find a pointless exercise for various reasons, including the fact that they miss out the words "bémol, dièse and bécart"

[NSP] Re: Still off topic: Off-topic request for Hymnbook

2011-01-12 Thread Christopher.Birch
>easier than straining the eye to see if that little black >circle is an A or a C and how do I then find that pitch on the >spot. Fair enough, but for someone whose vision is as bad as mine, it's easier to see where a blob is (on which line or between which lines?) than to discern the precise

[NSP] Re: Still off topic: Off-topic request for Hymnbook

2011-01-12 Thread Christopher.Birch
>There's still though the question 'why?'. I'd have thought if a person >has the ability to learn the sol fa and the shapes, it would be easier >to learn the ordinary notes. Exactly! C To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html