[NSP] Re: Shuttle Pipes for Sale
Sadly Julian, the link you have posted requires a password. Barry On 11/22/2012 02:53 PM, Julian Templeman wrote: I have a set of shuttle pipes that are surplus to requirements. The shuttle drones are by Dave Shaw (see http://www.daveshaw.co.uk/Shuttle_Pipes/_shuttle_pipes.html) and they have a simple unkeyed chanter. Having decided that the pipes are, sadly, not the instrument for me, they have sat, unplayed, for several years (and so may need a bit of fettling) I hate to see instruments not being used, so if anyone wants to make me a reasonable offer (or happens to have a decent Renaissance lute they could offer in exchange...) do get in touch. You can find some pictures at http://julian-t.smugmug.com/Music/Shuttle-Pipes Thanks, julian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NPS competition results
Oh that is really sad. I will do what I can for next year. It will depend on where I am. About all I can be sure of is that I will be overseas. Just as an encouragement to others; for all the possible short falls of a competitive situation, the benefits of putting in the preparations for these competitions are enormous. To the committee: Please don't give up on us yet. Just today I was giving a lesson to a possible competitor for next year. Cheers Helen On 21/10/2012 2:54 a.m., Julia Say wrote: I have posted the results of these on the NPS forum at: http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/index.php It is particularly disappointing that after all the discussion on this list a few years back, and the expansion of the overseas playing classes as a result, this year there were no overseas entries at all. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NPS competition results
On 21 Oct 2012, Helen wrote: Oh that is really sad. I will do what I can for next year. It will depend on where I am. About all I can be sure of is that I will be overseas. Just as an encouragement to others; for all the possible short falls of a competitive situation, the benefits of putting in the preparations for these competitions are enormous. To the committee: Please don't give up on us yet. Just today I was giving a lesson to a possible competitor for next year. Thanks, Helen. I'll pass the message along - I think few comm. members read this list. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NPS competition results
That's a great shame the so many had no entries this year - especially the overseas players. Hopefully things will pick up again. Colin Hill On 20/10/2012 18:24, Julia Say wrote: I have posted the results of these on the NPS forum at: http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/index.php It is particularly disappointing that after all the discussion on this list a few years back, and the expansion of the overseas playing classes as a result, this year there were no overseas entries at all. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5343 - Release Date: 10/20/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5343 - Release Date: 10/20/12
[NSP] Re: facebook and the forum
One of the problems with the NSP forum is that there seems to be no addressing of well discussed problems. The stuff is spread over too many sub forums some of which are just vanity areas for a couple of people to bang on about stuff that interests only them. I understand that there was a lively discussion earlier this year when some sensible suggestions were made but, as usual, nothing came of them as the usual inertia and weak excuses took over to avoid making any effort to change. I did note that one of the people responsible posted:- I don't think the forum is hidden away, but I do think that the fact that it has an independent URL ([1]http://northumbrianpipers.org.uk/piperforum/) and can be reached without getting involved in the CMS part of the website is advantageous. but, as normal, the posted link didn't work and just resulted in The requested URL /piperforum/ was not found on this server. The correct URL should have been http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/index.php so a grand opportunity remains out of reach!! Bill Hill-Smith (France) AKA The piping Hobbit -- References 1. http://northumbrianpipers.org.uk/piperforum/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
Derek Lofthouse recently wrote: A question I forgot to ask though, are these 2 tunes played much? Hello Derek The tunes are popular in some circles and have been for some time. I remember Chuck Fleming leading us all with 'Peacock Followed ..' in the pub at Kathryn's (Tickell) 21st birthday party yelling do it again after each time through with words to the effect that it was a very enjoyable tune, the best Northumbrian one he'd come across (but not so politely put). We played it 10 or 12 times - it might have even been more. More recently I taught the same tune by ear to 150 youngsters at The Youth Summer School in Durham (Folkworks) with the words: Won't you come cuddle me, cuddy Now won't you come cuddle me reet Won't you come cuddle me, cuddy Just as ye did yesterday neet .. As for 'Small Coals..' it was also popular with the same age group and I did some 2nds for the nimble-fingered to do. I've got it as a pdf which I can send down the wires to anyone interested. Best wishes Anthony From: DEREK LOFTHOUSE dloftho...@shaw.ca To: Matt Seattle theborderpi...@googlemail.com Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012, 14:14 Subject: [NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen Thanks Matt, Anthony, John and Kevin for your thoughts on these tunes. I will try the ideas you guys have suggested and I guess go with what works best for me. I guess it a matter of what you are used to, when i play border pipes I have no problem with 'discordant' drones, ex. playing in Bm with A drones, but i am used to just playing mainly G and D tunes (with the occassional venture into A and E)on the NSP with the appropriate drones. I'll and do more of it and maybe it will start sounding better to me. A question I forgot to ask though, are these 2 tunes played much? thanks again Derek - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [1]theborderpi...@googlemail.com To: [2]nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:27:50 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Anthony Robb [1][3]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Here is what Forster Charlton, Colin Ross and Roland Wright put in the introduction to the second edition to the NPS 1st Tune Book: Small Coals and Little Money and Cuckold Come Out The Amrey are in an unusual mode for which the drones should be tuned to the notes A and E. Any drone which will not tune to either of these two notes is best shut off! Personally, I agree - others don't. Where I disagree is in saying they are in the same mode. Small Coals is a straightforward A minor tune, although with no 6th (F#) it's neither dorian nor aeolian mode. There is a case for tuning the drones to A for Small Coals if you insist on the drones being concordant with the home key or mode of the tune. I don't personally find that an issue, and neither do other bagpipe traditions, where drones are what drones were meant to be - fixed, so that tunes in different modes sound like they are in different modes. For me, Cuckold is a mixed-mode tune with alternating A minor and C major strains, where A drones have the effect of masking the C major sections because, over A drones, these also sound like A minor. So, if I were an NSP player, I'd leave the drones in G for this tune, which I am well aware is heresy. [2][4]http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI -- References 1. mailto:[5]anth...@robbpipes.com 2. [6]http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:theborderpi...@googlemail.com 2. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 4. http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI 5. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 6. http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: facebook and the forum
Well, somewhere along the line I totally missed the fact that there even was a forum! Thanks for bringing the subject up again, I've registered now. Colin Hill On 17/08/2012 12:04, Matt Seattle wrote: On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bilbo Hill [1]bilbo_h...@email.com wrote: The stuff is spread over too many sub forums some of which are just vanity areas for a couple of people to bang on about stuff that interests only them. Is that a projection? I see no vanity areas, only an intelligent and generally successful attempt to divide it into areas of interest. For some, the mechanics of the instrument are a consuming passion. I am not one of these, but I am grateful that there are such people because without them no pipe music would enter the world. For me, the music itself is a consuming passion, and I am disappointed that my favorite [sic] forum, Peacock's Parlour, is not more widely visited and used. But that is how it is, you can't hit people over the head with it, and no-one's hitting me over the head about reed-making and key-pads. -- References 1. mailto:bilbo_h...@email.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5203 - Release Date: 08/15/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5204 - Release Date: 08/16/12
[NSP] Re: facebook and the forum
The trouble is - all us monomaniacs followed the Forum, and nobody joined us. Are they trying to tell us something? 'Here's a lovely forum to have your discussions in', then they tiptoe away quietly and have a great party somewhere else. John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Matt Seattle [theborderpi...@googlemail.com] Sent: 17 August 2012 12:04 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: facebook and the forum On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bilbo Hill [1]bilbo_h...@email.com wrote: The stuff is spread over too many sub forums some of which are just vanity areas for a couple of people to bang on about stuff that interests only them. Is that a projection? I see no vanity areas, only an intelligent and generally successful attempt to divide it into areas of interest. For some, the mechanics of the instrument are a consuming passion. I am not one of these, but I am grateful that there are such people because without them no pipe music would enter the world. For me, the music itself is a consuming passion, and I am disappointed that my favorite [sic] forum, Peacock's Parlour, is not more widely visited and used. But that is how it is, you can't hit people over the head with it, and no-one's hitting me over the head about reed-making and key-pads. -- References 1. mailto:bilbo_h...@email.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: facebook and the forum
Gibbons, John wrote: The trouble is - all us monomaniacs followed the Forum, and nobody joined us. Are they trying to tell us something? 'Here's a lovely forum to have your discussions in', then they tiptoe away quietly and have a great party somewhere else. John Yes, John, a very good summary! The whole situation makes no sense- the forums have great potential as an expanding resource, and no downside at all but all the chat is going on on a platform which requires you to join an organisation with a terrible reputation for infringing privacy ( Facebook, not the NPS!!!). Cheers Richard -- Richard Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
Again, thanks all for the advice. I tried all 3 tunes with both Gg and Aa drones, both set ups worked okay. I think i prefered the Gg sound though. Basically it is the border pipe set up, a tone lower. I suspect i better be able to play all 3 tunes by october though. Derek -- From: Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:32 PM To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen On 15 Aug 2012, Matt Seattle wrote: And neither does playing Cuckold or Peacock on NSP against A drones sound nasty, but it does miss a lot of the musical effect of these tunes, the contrasting minor/major strains Coincidentally (yes, really) I spent part of this afternoon playing Peacock followed the Hen with Colin R. We tried both G and A drones, both with and without the dominant d or e harmony running. We also tried playing the only f# (in the B part) as a natural, to test if it was To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: nps facebook
If I have the right one (and that's far from certain as I don't understand facebook at all) it's http://www.facebook.com/groups/131491660229952/ at least that's what's on the URL bit at the top of the page. Colin Hill On 16/08/2012 19:44, Richard Evans wrote: Barry Say wrote: More happens on fyecebeuk than anywhere else at the moment. I have been very disappointed that more NPS committee members have not taken advantage of the opportunities offered by the NPS forum. So I created a facebook account and found the nps page but all I see is a wikipedia extract. Is there some kind of forum or something? And if so, what's wrong with the excellent and underused NPS forums? Cheers Richard - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5203 - Release Date: 08/15/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Here is what Forster Charlton, Colin Ross and Roland Wright put in the introduction to the second edition to the NPS 1st Tune Book: Small Coals and Little Money and Cuckold Come Out The Amrey are in an unusual mode for which the drones should be tuned to the notes A and E. Any drone which will not tune to either of these two notes is best shut off! Personally, I agree - others don't. Where I disagree is in saying they are in the same mode. Small Coals is a straightforward A minor tune, although with no 6th (F#) it's neither dorian nor aeolian mode. There is a case for tuning the drones to A for Small Coals if you insist on the drones being concordant with the home key or mode of the tune. I don't personally find that an issue, and neither do other bagpipe traditions, where drones are what drones were meant to be - fixed, so that tunes in different modes sound like they are in different modes. For me, Cuckold is a mixed-mode tune with alternating A minor and C major strains, where A drones have the effect of masking the C major sections because, over A drones, these also sound like A minor. So, if I were an NSP player, I'd leave the drones in G for this tune, which I am well aware is heresy. [2]http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI -- References 1. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
On Border pipes, nominally a tone higher, the drones are fixed, in A; they have no bead holes. Cuckold, or the Peacock followed the Hen, swap around between B minor and D major above the A harmony of the drone. This corresponds to playing them in Aminor/Cmajor against G drones on NSP. It works, and certainly doesn't sound nasty, which is the only sound argument against any musical idea. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 15 August 2012 11:28 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Here is what Forster Charlton, Colin Ross and Roland Wright put in the introduction to the second edition to the NPS 1st Tune Book: Small Coals and Little Money and Cuckold Come Out The Amrey are in an unusual mode for which the drones should be tuned to the notes A and E. Any drone which will not tune to either of these two notes is best shut off! Personally, I agree - others don't. Where I disagree is in saying they are in the same mode. Small Coals is a straightforward A minor tune, although with no 6th (F#) it's neither dorian nor aeolian mode. There is a case for tuning the drones to A for Small Coals if you insist on the drones being concordant with the home key or mode of the tune. I don't personally find that an issue, and neither do other bagpipe traditions, where drones are what drones were meant to be - fixed, so that tunes in different modes sound like they are in different modes. For me, Cuckold is a mixed-mode tune with alternating A minor and C major strains, where A drones have the effect of masking the C major sections because, over A drones, these also sound like A minor. So, if I were an NSP player, I'd leave the drones in G for this tune, which I am well aware is heresy. [2]http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI -- References 1. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://youtu.be/71KwJ11O0fI To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
On 15 Aug 2012, Matt Seattle wrote: And neither does playing Cuckold or Peacock on NSP against A drones sound nasty, but it does miss a lot of the musical effect of these tunes, the contrasting minor/major strains Coincidentally (yes, really) I spent part of this afternoon playing Peacock followed the Hen with Colin R. We tried both G and A drones, both with and without the dominant d or e harmony running. We also tried playing the only f# (in the B part) as a natural, to test if it was (to our ears) an A minor tune or an A Dorian. The conclusion we came to was that the drones work in either setting, though neither of us cared for the f natural version, and that the use of the dominant in the drone harmony was also optional. If I was performing either on my own I would use G drones (only) to mirror the usage on BP described by John G. Yes, Derek, both are played, though I can recall a request by someone ( not me or any of this list's contributors) for Small Coals causing consternation amongst the regulars because it was in A at an APS meeting in the early 90s. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
To my ear the best thing about the Peacock with Gg drones is the prominent clashing f#, which resolves to a d; it is a strongly emphasised note in the 'C major' strains. BP would have a high g nat here instead but Peacock was stuck with f# on NSP and seems to have gloried in it. With Aa drones, f# dropping to d is just a d major chord - less exciting. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen
Hello Derek' In a way you've answered your own question. G D drones would presumably have been used originally for these tunes as they probably precede the development of tuning beads but they don't sound right to many people. Here is what Forster Charlton, Colin Ross and Roland Wright put in the introduction to the second edition to the NPS 1st Tune Book: Small Coals and Little Money and Cuckold Come Out The Amrey are in an unusual mode for which the drones should be tuned to the notes A and E. Any drone which will not tune to either of these two notes is best shut off! Personally, I agree - others don't. As for speed it is probably an age thing but slower (allowing pulse to permeate through the tune butters my parsnip) these days (wasn't always so). I've put a clip here [1]http://http://www.robbpipes.com/Hesleyside-Spoots for people unfamiliar with this lovely pulse (again not all agree but it is the quintessential Northumbrian way of doing it). Two of the players are from 'The Shepherds' and were the best exponents of the real old country style of playing which cut across all instruments (including pipes) in their part of the county. Hope this helps Best wishes Anthony From: DEREK LOFTHOUSE dloftho...@shaw.ca To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012, 14:36 Subject: [NSP] small coals, and the peacock following the hen I decided to play through the contents of the first 30 tunes book, just to see how many of them i actually knew, or could play. Fortunately i've played most of them. There are only 2 that i had never looked at, as the title suggests, Small coals and little money, and the Peacock followed the hen. Both of these appear to be what (I think) Matt calls bi-modal. switching between G and A minor, they sort of resolve to G, although the g drones (to me anyway) dont always seem to work. What drones do people use on these tunes? Also how fast should they be played. I've heard the Tickel version of small coals, but should it really be that fast? thanks in advance Derek To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://http//www.robbpipes.com/Hesleyside-Spoots 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: [NSP]
What is this email about? Doesn't seem to have anything to do with Piping. Marianne. Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:36:20 -0400 To: barne...@gmail.com; edt1...@cox.net; carol...@ticklehallcross.co.uk; pbtand...@gmail.com; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; amca...@cox.net; joe.bea...@alexandriava.gov; amanda.up...@alexandriava.gov; dpekr...@goodwinhouse.org From: hbabc...@aol.com Subject: [NSP] http://rtmpakistan.org/hslkgs.html?zreu=agnbps -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: [NSP]
Quite simply, it's spam. This particular email appears to be doing the rounds at the moment on many groups including Google and Yahoo. Someone, somewhere, has had their address book hacked. Any mail like this should be deleted and not opened. I doubt anyone in a group would send a link with no covering information anyway. Run a virus check and malware check if you opened it - sometimes the sites linked to have nasty things hidden in them! Colin Hill On 10/07/2012 10:35, Marianne Hall wrote: What is this email about? Doesn't seem to have anything to do with Piping. Marianne. Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:36:20 -0400 To: barne...@gmail.com; edt1...@cox.net; carol...@ticklehallcross.co.uk; pbtand...@gmail.com; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; amca...@cox.net; joe.bea...@alexandriava.gov; amanda.up...@alexandriava.gov; dpekr...@goodwinhouse.org From: hbabc...@aol.com Subject: [NSP] http://rtmpakistan.org/hslkgs.html?zreu=agnbps -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12
[NSP] Re: Question
Hi Jenny - there's a set attributed to Robert or James Hall in Edinburgh: http://hdl.handle.net/10683/17806 (James was Robert's son and was also piper to the Duke about 100 years ago) I don't know what EUCHMI is or whether the collection is viewable I used to be able to search the Northumberland museum service archives but I can't seem to get to it anymore. Someone will no doubt be along shortly with a list of any Hall pipes in the Bagpipe museum in Morpeth (BTW - there's more traffic elsewhere these days: http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/ ) cheers Rob Quoting IMPERIAL GLASS ALUMINUM LTD. jenh...@shaw.ca: Thank you for accepting me on the mailing list Wayne! Have one question: How do I find out where I can see a Northumbrian Smallpipe specifically made by my great-great grandfather Robert Hall of Hedgeley, Powburn, Alnwick, NBL? He made very unique handcrafted ones, (year about 1840s or 1850's) and I'm very curious if any exist in today's world - possibly in a museum??? Can anyone guide me in some sort of direction how I find out about this. I would appreciate any info on this. These Northumbrian small pipes are really beautiful and I watched a youtube video of a gal playing one; the song was so beautiful and sweet and cheerful and warmed my heart. Loved it! Sincerely, Jenny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Question
On 14 Jun 2012, rob@milecastle27.co.uk wrote: Hi Jenny - there's a set attributed to Robert or James Hall in Edinburgh: Someone will no doubt be along shortly with a list of any Hall pipes in the Bagpipe museum in Morpeth There are about 10 Hall sets known of in total. 2 at least I believe are in private hands, with the families of those who bought them from the makers. Others are still with immediate family. There is an article about the pipemaking Halls in a back issue of the NPS magazine (about 12 years ago?), written in co-operation with local descendants. If the one in Edinburgh to which Rob refers is ivory and a relatively recent acquisition, then it changed hands at least twice before it got there. I'm not sure offhand if there is one at the Chantry museum in Morpeth, but I think it highly likely. The best person to ask might be Dr. Graham Wells who recently completed a thesis on historical Northumbrian smallpipes. Although the Halls were not the immediate focus of his attention, I suspect he would know better than most folk where the sets are. I hope this helps Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Question
Rob, The Woodhorn pictures are still visible, but I could not link to the search engine either. Off to the day job John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of rob@milecastle27.co.uk [rob@milecastle27.co.uk] Sent: 14 June 2012 08:35 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Question Hi Jenny - there's a set attributed to Robert or James Hall in Edinburgh: http://hdl.handle.net/10683/17806 (James was Robert's son and was also piper to the Duke about 100 years ago) I don't know what EUCHMI is or whether the collection is viewable I used to be able to search the Northumberland museum service archives but I can't seem to get to it anymore. Someone will no doubt be along shortly with a list of any Hall pipes in the Bagpipe museum in Morpeth (BTW - there's more traffic elsewhere these days: http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/ ) cheers Rob Quoting IMPERIAL GLASS ALUMINUM LTD. jenh...@shaw.ca: Thank you for accepting me on the mailing list Wayne! Have one question: How do I find out where I can see a Northumbrian Smallpipe specifically made by my great-great grandfather Robert Hall of Hedgeley, Powburn, Alnwick, NBL? He made very unique handcrafted ones, (year about 1840s or 1850's) and I'm very curious if any exist in today's world - possibly in a museum??? Can anyone guide me in some sort of direction how I find out about this. I would appreciate any info on this. These Northumbrian small pipes are really beautiful and I watched a youtube video of a gal playing one; the song was so beautiful and sweet and cheerful and warmed my heart. Loved it! Sincerely, Jenny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Mallorca melody
It says The Late Duke of Windsor and I always assumed this was the former Edward VIII who succeeded to the throne in 1936, abdicated so he could marry Wallace Simpson, and died in 1972 after spending the rest of his life in France. According to Wikipedia, the title Duke of Windsor was created for him, so it can't have been an earlier Duke - as I briefly thought it might have been when considering the phrase Late D of W. Perhaps he wrote it while Prince of Wales - but I believe he always hated Balmoral, so probably wasn't much of an appreciator of Highland pipes, and it's plainly a Highland pipe tune. It's very much like another Highland pipe tune, with a Gaelic name I can't remember just now, but the Gaelic does sound close enough to Mallorca for this to be an English corruption of it. Does anybody know any more, which might support my theory that HRH Prince Edward may have just renamed an existing tune, maybe with a bit of alteration, when he didn't quite hear the Gaelic correctly? Philip - Original Message - From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Mallorca melody Hi to All, Can anyone tell me the origins of the the tune Mallorca (1st NSP Tune Book), how old it is, and why it was written, and which member of the Royal Family wrote it? Best wishes, Kevin -- http://www.ethnopiper.com http://www.youtube.com/kevnsp http://kevnsp.blogspot.com http://ethnopiper.blogspot.com http://facebook.com/kevin.tilbury http://soundcloud.com/kevnsp -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Mallorca melody
The Late Duke of Windsor was quite proud of the fact that he could play the Highland Pipes. Although since Victoria and Albert fell in love with the Highlands and bought Balmoral, there had always been a piper who woke them up every morning, in their day it was definitely an NCO job. When the Prince of Wales learnt, it was unusual for a prince to do so. Most of the rest of the family were rather rude about his skills, or why he should want to acquire them. Since he spent quite a lot of his time swanning around the Mediterranean on yachts with fast ladies, it's possible it's not a corruption of Gaelic and is called after the island. Dru On 29 Apr 2012, at 15:27, Philip Gruar wrote: It says The Late Duke of Windsor and I always assumed this was the former Edward VIII who succeeded to the throne in 1936, abdicated so he could marry Wallace Simpson, and died in 1972 after spending the rest of his life in France. According to Wikipedia, the title Duke of Windsor was created for him, so it can't have been an earlier Duke - as I briefly thought it might have been when considering the phrase Late D of W. Perhaps he wrote it while Prince of Wales - but I believe he always hated Balmoral, so probably wasn't much of an appreciator of Highland pipes, and it's plainly a Highland pipe tune. It's very much like another Highland pipe tune, with a Gaelic name I can't remember just now, but the Gaelic does sound close enough to Mallorca for this to be an English corruption of it. Does anybody know any more, which might support my theory that HRH Prince Edward may have just renamed an existing tune, maybe with a bit of alteration, when he didn't quite hear the Gaelic correctly? Philip - Original Message - From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Mallorca melody Hi to All, Can anyone tell me the origins of the the tune Mallorca (1st NSP Tune Book), how old it is, and why it was written, and which member of the Royal Family wrote it? Best wishes, Kevin -- http://www.ethnopiper.com http://www.youtube.com/kevnsp http://kevnsp.blogspot.com http://ethnopiper.blogspot.com http://facebook.com/kevin.tilbury http://soundcloud.com/kevnsp -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: April 2012 Tune of the Month: Morpeth Rant -- 1 April 2012
Not our pipes, but has anyone else seen this morning's Scotsman? [1]http://www.scotsman.com/news/pipes-play-music-of-love-for-edinbur gh-zoo-pandas-1-2209167# An excellent April fool, and obviously written by someone who knows something about the subject -- References 1. http://www.scotsman.com/news/pipes-play-music-of-love-for-edinburgh-zoo-pandas-1-2209167 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: April 2012 Tune of the Month: Morpeth Rant -- 1 April 2012
1,042,012 Naira? That's 3/4d isn't it? Wait for the next edition Rare panda commits suicide in zoo Colin Hill On 01/04/2012 16:45, Dru Brooke-Taylor wrote: And is this an opportunity to do a kindness to the victims of political violence, by allowing your bank account to assist the widow of a former general to access funds in exchange for a token share of the proceeds? Not our pipes, but has anyone else seen this morning's Scotsman? http://www.scotsman.com/news/pipes-play-music-of-love-for-edinburgh-zoo-pandas-1-2209167# On 1 Apr 2012, at 15:32, John Dally wrote: Ian Lawther has chosen THE MORPETH RANT for April's Tune of the Month. There are lots different settings out there. Matt Seattle published a book on the tune. It may be the first tune we've had in D, and it may be the tune with the most key work we've had so far. It is a melody firmly rooted in the Northumbrian tradition, but not one I hear played on the pipes very often. Also, in an amazing stroke of good look the Royal Bank of Nigeria has granted anyone who has participated in this sharing of tunes so far an award of 1,042,012 Naira. The grant is given in thanks to the British Empire for their efforts to give Nigerians free transport and labor opportunities in the United States over the centuries. The grants must be collected in person by any young female relation at the main branch in Abuja by the end of this month. cheers -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4907 - Release Date: 03/31/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4907 - Release Date: 03/31/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4907 - Release Date: 03/31/12
[NSP] Re: rapper dancing
I don't know of any recordings played at proper rapper speed but you might not want to start there anyway! One thought might be to look for some rapper videos on youtube and capture the sound to your computer. Ian DEREK LOFTHOUSE wrote: This is a little off topic, but i am looking for a little advice. A few of us (conveniently 5) are starting a rapper dance side. We have swords, instruction books, a little experience (My father and i had a side 30 odd years ago). Just wondering if anyone can suggest recordings that we can practice to. We will work on getting live musicians, but to start it will likely be less painful (at least for the musician) if we use CD's. As my mother is from Amble, I am thinking of trying to persuade the guys to start with the Amble dance. thanks Derek To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Book on J. Collingwood Bruce (early NSP supporter) free on GoogleBooks
On 7 Mar 2012, Gibbons, John wrote: Bruce was one of the 2 editors of the Northumbrian Minstrelsy, though Stokoe was the main editor for the tunes. Both were not ideal - but many of the earlier Ancient Melodies Committee, particularly William Kell, Last week I went through the Ancient Melodies Committee correspondence which predates the appearance of the book by some 20-odd years. Bruce had some direct contact with the sources - mainly the Duke's pipers, but I think Robert White, Kell and so forth did most of the actual collecting. Bruce had the most appalling handwriting, anyway, particularly when compared with a surprisingly elegant hand from William Green, who was my primary interest on this occasion. I think, as John says, that Stokoe was primarily an editor of already supplied material. The earlier group obviously made extensive enquiries (within certain social limitations), and also had access to a number of source publications such as Oswald, Aird, and Bewick's MSS, all of which are mentioned. There was a lot of deliberation as to which tunes were Scottish and which rightly Northumbrian - in a way that wouldn't be seen as so important today, I think. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Book on J. Collingwood Bruce (early NSP supporter) free on GoogleBooks
On 6 Mar 2012, Matthew Boris wrote: The life and letters of John Collingwood Bruce of Newcastle-upon-Tyne Just though this may be of interest to other folks interested in history. . Hope someone else might enjoy this as well. If that's the one written by his son, it's one of the most turgidly written volumes I have ever had the misfortune to peruse. Yes, I did struggle through all of it in the hope of useful information. If anything it strengthened my somewhat sceptical view of his patronising activities. But it was some years ago, and I'm not a fan, so YMMV. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
I once wondered if the ballad fits the tune - can you sing it in 9/4? The answer is a tentative yes... But it isn't as obvious as I'd like. I have not checked every verse. The ballad seems to be a local analogue of a Robin Hood one, with Carlisle for Nottingham etc, Adam a Bell is not the Robin Hood figure - that job went to William of Cloudesley. But who had it first is a question I won't go into - except that the Borders, and borders in general, have always been better bandit country than middles of countries. (Duck!) John In a message dated 29/02/2012 05:53:51 GMT Standard Time, dir...@gmail.com writes: Many thanks to Julia Say for selecting a classic tune for March. Julia writes: William Dixon's Adam a Bell and its tune family - through the Peacock My Dearie sits ower late up (and the similar but not identical one in Clough). If any new players find these too intimidating there's a 2 strain version in the NPS first tunebook. Its an old tune whose title commemorates an even older event in West Border history - see the ballad of the same name. Dixon's version has 9 strains, Peacock's 5 - I'm sure others must have extended these or inserted strains of their own to suit their own taste for inventiveness. It would be interesting to hear the latest additions. I'm also interested in the different rhythmic emphasis occasioned by the 9/4 or 9/8 time signatures. It goes on both BP and nsp: if anyone wants a transposition of Dixon's version into G for nsp, I can supply either appropriate abc or the dots. I might even try to find the time to fire up my own recorder and register on soundcloud. Mind...I did say try! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
If anyone wants the dots of the Dixon version, they're in 'The Master Piper', available from NPS. If they need to transcribe it into G before playing it that will be a useful exercise. See the credit for the photo of the Edinburgh pub sign 'Jingling Geordie' which appears with the tune following Adam A Bell in the latest edition. A surprise to me, and a nice touch. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
Reading in A and playing in G is also a skill worth learning! It opens up an awful lot of the Scottish repertoire. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 29 February 2012 10:24 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say If anyone wants the dots of the Dixon version, they're in 'The Master Piper', available from NPS. If they need to transcribe it into G before playing it that will be a useful exercise. See the credit for the photo of the Edinburgh pub sign 'Jingling Geordie' which appears with the tune following Adam A Bell in the latest edition. A surprise to me, and a nice touch. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
Sorry about the spelling. ;-) Wouldn't anyone somewhat familiar with the tradition assume Dixon's collection to be smallpipe tunes just by perusing the table of contents? It's after reading your insightful text, Matt, that one sees the connection to Border pipes. Your proof depends in part on the key signature. It is up to the piper to decide as a matter of musical taste whether to play the tunes with a flattened seventh or not, although that decision should, imho, be informed by the historical arguments. In my experience Dixon's tunes rest very easily on the NSP chanter regardless of which key you play them in. On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Matt Seattle [1]theborderpi...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM, John Dally [1][2]dir...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, you could play Dixon's tunes in Ionian (major scale), playing F# instead of an Fnat in the key of G, but the purest might consider that a cop-out if not down right wrong. The purest of the pure? It's played in G major (with F#) on NSP, and arguably Dixon would have played it in the same mode, whatever his instrument and its actual or nominal pitch. This corresponds to Dick Hensold's view and I agree with him about many of the tunes which he has suggested are (Northumbrian) smallpipe tunes. I did not feel comfortable in changing Mr Dixon's notation but I did signal this ambiguity. On 2/29/12, Matt Seattle [2][3]theborderpi...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dave S [1][3][4]david...@pt.lu wrote: Reading in F and playing in G is also very worthwhile -- all the renaissance and boaroque dance music --- In my not necessarily humble opinion, transposing at sight is a useful skill for any piper curious to look beyond the confines of a single tradition, given that the nominal pitch of the 6-finger note is a movable feast. As with any other skill, you get better the more you do it. -- References 1. mailto:[4][5]david...@pt.lu To get on or off this list see list information at [5][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[7]dir...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[8]theborderpi...@googlemail.com 3. mailto:[9]david...@pt.lu 4. mailto:[10]david...@pt.lu 5. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:theborderpi...@googlemail.com 2. mailto:dir...@gmail.com 3. mailto:theborderpi...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:david...@pt.lu 5. mailto:david...@pt.lu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:dir...@gmail.com 8. mailto:theborderpi...@googlemail.com 9. mailto:david...@pt.lu 10. mailto:david...@pt.lu 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
-Original Message- From: brimor bri...@aol.com To: theborderpiper theborderpi...@googlemail.com Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say It certainly is also useful to read in G and play in F, if you are a fiddler and want to play along with NSP F chanters and, as Matt says, the more you do it the easier it becomes. Sheila -Original Message- From: Matt Seattle theborderpi...@googlemail.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 9:47 am Subject: [NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dave S [1]david...@pt.lu wrote: Reading in F and playing in G is also very worthwhile -- all the renaissance and boaroque dance music --- In my not necessarily humble opinion, transposing at sight is a useful skill for any piper curious to look beyond the confines of a single tradition, given that the nominal pitch of the 6-finger note is a movable feast. As with any other skill, you get better the more you do it. -- References 1. mailto:david...@pt.lu o get on or off this list see list information at ttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:46 PM, John Dally [1]dir...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the spelling. ;-) Wouldn't anyone somewhat familiar with the tradition assume Dixon's collection to be smallpipe tunes just by perusing the table of contents? From the titles, yes, but not by playing tunes such as Dorrington Lads or Black And Grey which make sense in a way that the Northumbrian smallpipe versions never did, because those tunes were not originally made for Northumbrian smallpipe chanters. Some tunes, yes indeed, but the majority, no. IMO anyway. -- References 1. mailto:dir...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Gibbons, John [1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: There is also the question of what did Dixon intend by his blank key signature? Did it mean 'this tune is in Gmix/Cmajor or Adorian'? Or did it mean, as with Highland pipe music, 'I am not bothering to say what the actual key signature is, as you know already'? I believe the former. The latter, illiterate, practice was yet to be established, and WD shows himself to be literate. But, there is also a good argument that the piper would know whether to play the major or minor 7th from the nature of the tune, and some need one, some the other. -- References 1. mailto:j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say
From the playing the tunes on my various sorts of pipes, it seems clear that Dixon did play an instrument with a flattened 7th. But in my experience the flat 7th is sharper on Highland pipes than on SSP or most BP. I don't think his fingering was anything like modern Highland piping fingering though. And, personally, I like Dixon's tunes on the NSP and SSP best. That's not a judgement or historical argument, just a matter of personal taste. On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gibbons, John [1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: There is also the question of what did Dixon intend by his blank key signature? Did it mean 'this tune is in Gmix/Cmajor or Adorian'? Or did it mean, as with Highland pipe music, 'I am not bothering to say what the actual key signature is, as you know already'? John From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Matt Seattle [[4]theborderpi...@googlemail.com] Sent: 29 February 2012 23:01 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:33 PM, John Dally [1][5]dir...@gmail.com wrote: Dixon's tunes as transcribed in THE MASTER PIPER are in A mixolydian and the NSpiper has to take into account that there is more involved than simply transposing to G major, and in the case of some of the tunes he/she might just as well play them as written in THE MASTER PIPER. It's an interesting viewpoint, John. There is the precedent of Billy Pigg's 'Skye Crofters' played in nominal A on NSP. In what key do you play 'Athol Highlanders' on NSP? I have to say, it's not a problem for me. I don't play NSP. I have enough other problems. -- References 1. mailto:[6]dir...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:theborderpi...@googlemail.com 5. mailto:dir...@gmail.com 6. mailto:dir...@gmail.com 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Hi All, The ivorycould possibly be walrus. Goeff Wooff used old walrus pieces that I think he bought in NZ years ago in the limited number of sets of pipes that he made. Then again am happy to be proven wrong!! Regards, Guy T --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John Dally dir...@gmail.com wrote: From: John Dally dir...@gmail.com Subject: [NSP] NSP spotted on ebay UK To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 15 February, 2012, 16:23 [1][1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456? pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 Can anyone identify the maker? I am not associated with the sale or interested in bidding on them. Just curious. -- References 1. [2]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ 2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
A lot of the ivory actually came from old billiard and snooker balls as well and a lot of of them (and other ivory work) came from mammoth tusks from Russia. Europeans used ivory mainly for piano keys and cutlery handles! I remember being advised to look out for them to make some bits for the pipes - mind you, that was when the recommended cane source was flower baskets from Spain :) I never did get any as my attempt to make a set went very, very wrong when the drill came out of the side of the chanter and I realised it was beyond me! I think I still have a few pieces of lignum hanging around somewhere though (drone size). Hippo teeth are a common source as well (and sperm whale teeth) and anything from a mammal tooth is ivory. All a bit gross really. Mammoth ivory is still legal. I'd rather have plastic myself. Colin Hill On 17/02/2012 21:21, Guy Tindale wrote: Hi All, The ivorycould possibly be walrus. Goeff Wooff used old walrus pieces that I think he bought in NZ years ago in the limited number of sets of pipes that he made. Then again am happy to be proven wrong!! Regards, Guy T --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John Dallydir...@gmail.com wrote: - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
If that recent footage of a mammoth-shaped object fording a river in Chukhotka in the Russian Far East turns out not to have been faked, then presumably the species goes on the CITES list pretty sharpish, and carrying smallpipes across borders gets harder... John In a message dated 17/02/2012 21:48:50 GMT Standard Time, cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk writes: A lot of the ivory actually came from old billiard and snooker balls as well and a lot of of them (and other ivory work) came from mammoth tusks from Russia. Europeans used ivory mainly for piano keys and cutlery handles! I remember being advised to look out for them to make some bits for the pipes - mind you, that was when the recommended cane source was flower baskets from Spain :) I never did get any as my attempt to make a set went very, very wrong when the drill came out of the side of the chanter and I realised it was beyond me! I think I still have a few pieces of lignum hanging around somewhere though (drone size). Hippo teeth are a common source as well (and sperm whale teeth) and anything from a mammal tooth is ivory. All a bit gross really. Mammoth ivory is still legal. I'd rather have plastic myself. Colin Hill On 17/02/2012 21:21, Guy Tindale wrote: Hi All, The ivorycould possibly be walrus. Goeff Wooff used old walrus pieces that I think he bought in NZ years ago in the limited number of sets of pipes that he made. Then again am happy to be proven wrong!! Regards, Guy T --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John Dallydir...@gmail.com wrote: - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Hello Mike I agree there is nothing of the Hedworth style in this set - keys especially. Hedworth taught silver smithing to Colin Ross and was a master of beautiful keywork. His style is unique with the key stem shaped and silver soldered to reach completely across the domed round bit (hope my technical language if not too baffling). There is a good sample of various makers' keywork at the bottom of this page: [1]http://www.robbpipes.com/WindyGyleBand.html Hedworth made the ivory (G) chanter and it has absolutely typical Hedworth keys. As aye Anthony From: Mike Sharp mike_sh...@pacbell.net To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2012, 22:28 Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK Colin Hill writes: I saw a distinct Hedworth look in the chanter but note it's brass fittings. He, I think, used NS (he did on mine) and there's more ivory on this one. I pretty sure this isn't Bill Hedworth's work. I don't see his distinctive rolled (crimped) line that he used to anchor the metalwork to the wood, and the keys are also of a style different that what I'm use to seeing in his work. --Mike -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.robbpipes.com/WindyGyleBand.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
I didn't look at the larger images :( Quite different and, as you say, especially the keys. Bill's are a work of art in themselves. Should really have looked at my own set before replying. The only other chanters I have seen (and not that many) have been rather heavy and thick which made me think it may have been his. Again, even looking at the woodwork says it's not. My humble apologies for being too idle to look and replying without thinking. Colin Hill On 16/02/2012 08:49, Anthony Robb wrote: Hello Mike I agree there is nothing of the Hedworth style in this set - keys especially. Hedworth taught silver smithing to Colin Ross and was a master of beautiful keywork. His style is unique with the key stem shaped and silver soldered to reach completely across the domed round bit (hope my technical language if not too baffling). There is a good sample of various makers' keywork at the bottom of this page: [1]http://www.robbpipes.com/WindyGyleBand.html Hedworth made the ivory (G) chanter and it has absolutely typical Hedworth keys. As aye Anthony - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4813 - Release Date: 02/16/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4813 - Release Date: 02/16/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
First of all, I must apologise to Anthony for sending my first reply to him rather than the list. This was a finger slip. What I wrote was: As far as I can see, these pipes bear none of the features I would expect in Hedworth pipes. In particular, Anthony Robb wrote: His style is unique with the key stem shaped and silver soldered to reach completely across the domed round bit. Close examination of the third photograph shows keys with pads which are far more reminiscent of David Burleigh (for instance) although the touch ends do have the bulk I would expect from Hedworth. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
On 15/02/2012 16:23, John Dally wrote: [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 Can anyone identify the maker? I am not associated with the sale or interested in bidding on them. Just curious. -- References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I think it's the late Ron Blake of Alderly Edge, Cheshire. Adrian
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Doh! I did reply but sent it to the original sender instead of well you know the rest. I saw a distinct Hedworth look in the chanter but note it's brass fittings. He, I think, used NS (he did on mine) and there's more ivory on this one. I always thought of Bill's as very neat and slim so maybe a follower. The case looks too new for Bill as well. Colin Hill. On 15/02/2012 21:55, Adrian wrote: On 15/02/2012 16:23, John Dally wrote: [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 Can anyone identify the maker? I am not associated with the sale or interested in bidding on them. Just curious. -- References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I think it's the late Ron Blake of Alderly Edge, Cheshire. Adrian - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Colin Hill writes: I saw a distinct Hedworth look in the chanter but note it's brass fittings. He, I think, used NS (he did on mine) and there's more ivory on this one. I pretty sure this isn't Bill Hedworth's work. I don't see his distinctive rolled (crimped) line that he used to anchor the metalwork to the wood, and the keys are also of a style different that what I'm use to seeing in his work. --Mike -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: TOTM
Gets the approval of the grumpy old Border pipers on their lunch break Matt Bill On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Hello all, Here's my offering. [1][2]http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ Warmest best Anthony -- References 1. [3]http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ 3. http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: TOTM
And this one too - though the lunch break hasn't yet started, alas John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 09 February 2012 12:18 To: Anthony Robb Cc: DartmouthNPS Subject: [NSP] Re: TOTM Gets the approval of the grumpy old Border pipers on their lunch break Matt Bill On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Hello all, Here's my offering. [1][2]http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ Warmest best Anthony -- References 1. [3]http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ 3. http://youtu.be/sfiCRPct9vQ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: February TOTM
Great choice. Thanks Anthony. On 2/1/12, Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Hello All, John Dally has kindly invited me to choose the TOTM for February and it is: The Keelman Ower Land This tune has been a favourite since 1973 when (according to Johnny Handle) Carole I gave its first public airing in years. It is still yielding up its secrets 38 years on. 3/2 tunes are becoming more popular and widely established as shown by the following abstract from Stewart Hardy submitted to the North Atlantic Fiddle Convention (A Cos go Cluas - trans. aEUR~from foot to ear') 2012 I think it might be of interest to some: Working with Dinosaurs Triple-time Hornpipes Stewart Hardy The triple-time hornpipes of the British Isles suffered a dramatic reversal of fortune during the eighteenth century: initially one of the most widely played tune forms, at its end the decline was such that if extinction was not complete, then continued existence was critically endangered. Not until the last quarter of the twentieth century was there a significant effort to reawaken interest in this type of tune. A wealth of fabulous material has been unearthed, containing great energy and appeal for performer and listener alike. Without an unbroken oral tradition and with the disappearance of dances associated with these tunes, there are significant challenges to developing historically and contextually informed interpretations. Clues are found in the surviving manuscripts and published collections, folk song and literary descriptions of village dance. Attempts to reconstruct the dances also provide illuminating material. Rediscovering and resurrecting triple-time hornpipes presents an opportunity to observe the shift from social process to aesthetic product in reverse - from ear to foot rather than from foot to ear. In this paper I will explore these issues, demonstrate tunes and suggest some practical and well-founded solutions to problems of interpretation. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: TOTM selection process: new proposal
Hi John, That sounds like a great proposal, brilliant learning possibilities and history background too Super Dave S On 12/14/2011 9:40 AM, John Dally wrote: How would the group feel if we changed the present tune/topic/theme selection process? There must be better ways to make the choice so that more pipers will want to participate and, equally important, there will be more useful discussion about the selection. Pete Stewart has been very helpful in the selection process so far, and I hope we will continue to work in tandem with the LBPS. Perhaps the authorities and masters among us would make the selection, telling us why they selected it and some of the background to the selection. Each month a new person would make his/her selection. I found Richard Evans comments on my Overseas entries extremely helpful. Likewise, perhaps the Expert of the Month would offer helpful and encouraging comments on the performances. What do you think? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2108/4678 - Release Date: 12/13/11
[NSP] Re: Spot the tune - urgent
On 8 Dec 2011, Julia Say wrote: This is an untitled Kathryn T composition. Thank you to the various people who responded offlist. I now know that the title is Andy's Slip Jig, but whether I can get a stop press change in the book I don't know - the printers have gone home. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: ebay Northumbrian bagpipe (not)
A puzzle - are there any ethnoorganologists out there who can identify the thing? John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of John Dally [dir...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 December 2011 22:29 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] ebay Northumbrian bagpipe (not) Some sort of euro-pipe, very expensive for what it is, but not what the seller claims it is: ebay item #170741342181. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: ebay Northumbrian bagpipe (not)
I just told them that it was not a Northumbrian bagpipe, just a European one. The box for typing in the reasons doesn't allow many letters. Certainly does look like something maybe from Spanish-influenced areas like Morocco or that area (they have smaller single drones, in general). Wouldn't like to narrow it down though. I suspect the curve of the bellows may be a good clue but beyond my knowledge. Colin Hill. On 06/12/2011 23:02, Barry Say wrote: I have reported this to ebay as a misleading title. If others wish to do so this might not be a bad idea. I have not yet been able to tell them what is wrong, it is a rather tick-box approach, but I will see what happens. Barry John Dally wrote: Some sort of euro-pipe, very expensive for what it is, but not what the seller claims it is: ebay item #170741342181. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11
[NSP] Re: ebay Northumbrian bagpipe (not)
I have reported this to ebay as a misleading title. If others wish to do so this might not be a bad idea. I have not yet been able to tell them what is wrong, it is a rather tick-box approach, but I will see what happens. Barry John Dally wrote: Some sort of euro-pipe, very expensive for what it is, but not what the seller claims it is: ebay item #170741342181. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Hi To All, many thanks to all who wrote. i will give the 4mm rod a try as it is the closes i can get to 4.76mm. since it might be a little narrow, will i have t compensate in the length or the width of the reed when making it? or is the difference to small to make a real difference? in time i will order the right rod from the model shops which you have kindly sent me, but for now i will have a go with the local brass rods. many thanks, kevin __ From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: cwhill cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011, 18:26 Subject: [NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples Colin's interesting account of making staples from sheet metal is a very good reminder that this was the staple [pun unavoidable] method of making staples for historical reeds - they generally relied on the binding to keep them airtight. No reason why that shouldn't work perfectly well today, although many of todays tins are corrugated. However, the easiest source of tube fit for the job is brass or (cheaper) aluminium tube from the nearest model shop. Quite often this stuff is sourced from the US and though it may have nominal metric sizes, is often actually imperial with a 5/32 (4mm) internal diameter and a 3/16 (4.76mm) exterior. I think some experimentation and variation on the standard recommended dimensions would be really good (is anyone already doing this?) and the hand -rolled staple may be an excellent way of doing this. A final word in praise of the NPS Forum and its 'Pipe making and Maintenance' area - which is a really good place for following and preserving discussions like the present one. Francis On 27 Nov 2011, at 16:51, cwhill wrote: 3/16 is 4.76mm (so very near to 5mm) so I presume you meant that and should you downsize to 4 or try for a 5mm tube? Personally, I made my staples from a Fray Bentos pie tin lid as brass tubing was hard to get back then so never had to buy any (it worked - paint side out - as I had a drill the right size to mould it around. That was what was in my instruction book - along with getting reed cane from old flower baskets!). Current reed makers must have gone metric by now so they should know. Yes, you can get 5mm [1]http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm BT5 on that page 500mm for -L-2.60 Do note that the size is external diameter so the internal bore is actually 4mm Unfortunately I don't know what your instruction book means by 3/16 (internal or external). Colin Hill On 27/11/2011 15:33, Kevin wrote: Hi to All, can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter reeds? in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small? can one get 5mm rods now? any advice on what to buy. thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 -- References 1. http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Hello Kevin First off, I'm assuming you mean tube and not rod? I follow Mike Nelson's advice on this and use model aircraft aluminium fuel tubing - 4mm internal, 4.75mm external diameters. This is very easily cut to length with a large scalpel/sharp Stanley knife ( simply roll it with the blade to score it then carefully snap the piece off). It is also very easy to shape but be gentle with the metal former otherwise the edges of the staple end can be pushed outwards making it impossible to get a good seating for the cane slip(s). Hope this helps. Anthony From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: [NSP] 4mm or 6mm staples Hi to All, can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter reeds? in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small? can one get 5mm rods now? any advice on what to buy. thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Anthony Robb wrote: - 4mm internal, 4.75mm external diameters. That is as near as d*mn*t 5/32 id and 3/16 od which is the size of brass tube I use. So no argument there. Personally, I suspect this fuel tube originates in the US where, thankfully, the traditional sizes are alive and kicking. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Colin's interesting account of making staples from sheet metal is a very good reminder that this was the staple [pun unavoidable] method of making staples for historical reeds - they generally relied on the binding to keep them airtight. No reason why that shouldn't work perfectly well today, although many of todays tins are corrugated. However, the easiest source of tube fit for the job is brass or (cheaper) aluminium tube from the nearest model shop. Quite often this stuff is sourced from the US and though it may have nominal metric sizes, is often actually imperial with a 5/32 (4mm) internal diameter and a 3/16 (4.76mm) exterior. I think some experimentation and variation on the standard recommended dimensions would be really good (is anyone already doing this?) and the hand -rolled staple may be an excellent way of doing this. A final word in praise of the NPS Forum and its 'Pipe making and Maintenance' area - which is a really good place for following and preserving discussions like the present one. Francis On 27 Nov 2011, at 16:51, cwhill wrote: 3/16 is 4.76mm (so very near to 5mm) so I presume you meant that and should you downsize to 4 or try for a 5mm tube? Personally, I made my staples from a Fray Bentos pie tin lid as brass tubing was hard to get back then so never had to buy any (it worked - paint side out - as I had a drill the right size to mould it around. That was what was in my instruction book - along with getting reed cane from old flower baskets!). Current reed makers must have gone metric by now so they should know. Yes, you can get 5mm http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm BT5 on that page 500mm for £2.60 Do note that the size is external diameter so the internal bore is actually 4mm Unfortunately I don't know what your instruction book means by 3/16 (internal or external). Colin Hill On 27/11/2011 15:33, Kevin wrote: Hi to All, can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter reeds? in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small? can one get 5mm rods now? any advice on what to buy. thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11
[NSP] Re: December TOTM
The obvious topic is tunes with a reference to the season (winter, soltice, Christmas, Hogmany, New Year). I suggest we pick a tune we all want to play and then combine it with one or more other tunes, as suggested by Barry Say. Here's one we prepared earlier, John, I think it satisfies the requirements - [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQc8MIGqvM -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQc8MIGqvM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: December TOTM
Shame we weren't quite in tune!-compared to the chanters in the Wild Hills video-but interesting how the chanters begin to attune further on in a set.!? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 23 November 2011 13:54 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Re: December TOTM The obvious topic is tunes with a reference to the season (winter, soltice, Christmas, Hogmany, New Year). I suggest we pick a tune we all want to play and then combine it with one or more other tunes, as suggested by Barry Say. Here's one we prepared earlier, John, I think it satisfies the requirements - [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQc8MIGqvM -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQc8MIGqvM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4633 - Release Date: 11/22/11
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Yes! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:41 PM To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle Hello Kevin and all I noticed this in Kevin's email: ...so i closed the G hole with glue at one side until it was in tune. I'm wondering why you put the glue at one side rather than the top? Putting glue at the side will flatten the note by making the hole smaller but this would need more glue than putting it at the top of the hole which flattens it by a) slightly moving the hole down and b) making the hole smaller. This double whammy effect means less glue needed and (more often than not) bright tone preserved. Cheers Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell
Thanks for the link -- time in 1h12'ish to 1h33 on the one I played Dave S On 11/18/2011 11:44 AM, Di Jevons wrote: A fiddler friend of mine has sent me a BBC iplayer link to a Radio Scotland programme Travelling Folk featuring Chris Stout from Fiddlers Bid. Also on the same programme is Kathryn Tickell. Kathryn is on from about 8 minutes for about half an hour. Here is the link for anyone who's interested [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0175jnm#segments -- References 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0175jnm#segments To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4622 - Release Date: 11/17/11
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Hello Kevin and all I noticed this in Kevin's email: ...so i closed the G hole with glue at one side until it was in tune. I'm wondering why you put the glue at one side rather than the top? Putting glue at the side will flatten the note by making the hole smaller but this would need more glue than putting it at the top of the hole which flattens it by a) slightly moving the hole down and b) making the hole smaller. This double whammy effect means less glue needed and (more often than not) bright tone preserved. Cheers Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Many thanks to all who wrote about my chanter being flat. i did what you advised and it has solved the problem. many thanks my chanter is now back in tune. best wishes kevin __ From: Dave Shaw d...@daveshaw.co.uk To: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com; Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 10:16 Subject: [NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle Hi Kevin I would agree with the detail of Philips advice. When the octaves are in tune with each other and the fifth is flat then the reed is too long. You need to shorten the reed by half millimetre cuts(or less) until the intervals are correct. I use a cut throat type razor for this, on an endgrain hardwood block ( boxwood). A heavy craft knife would do on some firm surface, but you have to be careful as you can give yourself a nasty cut if the slightest slip occurs. Tuning the chanter to proper pitch is a whole different ballgame! Cheers, Dave Dave Shaw, Northumbrian and Scottish Smallpipes, Irish Pipes and SHAW Whistles www.daveshaw.co.uk - Original Message - From: Kevin [1]tilb...@yahoo.com To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site [2]nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: [NSP] flat chanter in the middle Hi to All, Can anyone advice me on the tuning of my chanter to the drones. The top G and the bottom G are in tune with the drones but the middle notes especially the D is a fraction out of tune, a little flat. is this rectified by moving the reed, if so which way? or opening the reed or closing it? the chanter has been in tune in the past but since changing the reed i find these problems, it is either the top/bottom notes are out or the middle notes are outany advice? thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tilb...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Hi all, I agree with most of what has been said on this thread. I only restricted my advice to reed opening because I only wanted to mention clipping the reed when all else had been tried. It is after all irreversible, unless someone has found a way of gluing the bits back on? There was one other option I thought of which was to move the reed farther out of the chanter and play at a slightly higher pressure. If this cures the problem and the resulting pressure is too high, then the reed must be scraped to soften it, clipped to sharpen it c. c. However, right now I would like to know how Kevin got his chanter in tune as this will add to my knowledge. Barry Gibbons, John wrote: Kevin, What was the trouble in the end? Or more precisely, what remedy cured it? I'd trust the ones with hands on experimental knowledge rather than a mere theoretician, but theory is all I have! John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Kevin [tilb...@yahoo.com] Sent: 16 November 2011 08:57 To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle Many thanks to all who wrote about my chanter being flat. i did what you advised and it has solved the problem. many thanks my chanter is now back in tune. best wishes kevin __ From: Dave Shawd...@daveshaw.co.uk To: Kevintilb...@yahoo.com; Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 10:16 Subject: [NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle Hi Kevin I would agree with the detail of Philips advice. When the octaves are in tune with each other and the fifth is flat then the reed is too long. You need to shorten the reed by half millimetre cuts(or less) until the intervals are correct. I use a cut throat type razor for this, on an endgrain hardwood block ( boxwood). A heavy craft knife would do on some firm surface, but you have to be careful as you can give yourself a nasty cut if the slightest slip occurs. Tuning the chanter to proper pitch is a whole different ballgame! Cheers, Dave Dave Shaw, Northumbrian and Scottish Smallpipes, Irish Pipes and SHAW Whistles www.daveshaw.co.uk - Original Message - From: Kevin[1]tilb...@yahoo.com To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site[2]nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: [NSP] flat chanter in the middle Hi to All, Can anyone advice me on the tuning of my chanter to the drones. The top G and the bottom G are in tune with the drones but the middle notes especially the D is a fraction out of tune, a little flat. is this rectified by moving the reed, if so which way? or opening the reed or closing it? the chanter has been in tune in the past but since changing the reed i find these problems, it is either the top/bottom notes are out or the middle notes are outany advice? thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tilb...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Hi Kevin I would agree with the detail of Philips advice. When the octaves are in tune with each other and the fifth is flat then the reed is too long. You need to shorten the reed by half millimetre cuts(or less) until the intervals are correct. I use a cut throat type razor for this, on an endgrain hardwood block ( boxwood). A heavy craft knife would do on some firm surface, but you have to be careful as you can give yourself a nasty cut if the slightest slip occurs. Tuning the chanter to proper pitch is a whole different ballgame! Cheers, Dave Dave Shaw, Northumbrian and Scottish Smallpipes, Irish Pipes and SHAW Whistles www.daveshaw.co.uk - Original Message - From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: [NSP] flat chanter in the middle Hi to All, Can anyone advice me on the tuning of my chanter to the drones. The top G and the bottom G are in tune with the drones but the middle notes especially the D is a fraction out of tune, a little flat. is this rectified by moving the reed, if so which way? or opening the reed or closing it? the chanter has been in tune in the past but since changing the reed i find these problems, it is either the top/bottom notes are out or the middle notes are outany advice? thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Kevin, Your problem is most likely to be caused by the reed, though what John says about the length of the chanter is also true up to a point. A reed which is too weak, having been over-thinned especially at the bridle end, often produces false/flat notes in the middle of the chanter. Squeezing the reed more open can improve it, as Barry says, though of course makes it harder to blow, and with a basically weak reed the tone is still flabby - too lacking in high harmonics. I have quite frequently solved a problem like yours by clipping a VERY small bit off the end of the reed lips, using sharp end-clippers which I keep exclusively for reeds. This is a bit of a risky proceedure if you are not used to it, though. After clipping, you will probably need to thin just the tips VERY carefully by rubbing on fine abrasive paper, but be careful here, because you can easily thin too much and weaken it fatally again - so you have to clip a bit more off, and so on..! The best solution may just be to try a new reed which is bright sounding, but easy to blow, by being scraped evenly down to a fine tip, while still keeping just enough strength in the sides - though beware that a reed that is TOO strong in the sides will squeak more easily on the low notes. Philip From: Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle Kevin If it is a 7-key chanter, one possible cause is a reflection from the foot of the chanter, nearly in resonance with the upper part between the reed and the d hole. If so this resonance might be flat, dragging the d down a bit. Try pushing the cotton wool plug a few mm up the chanter? This helped with the first chanter I owned, though buying one that was made in tune is the way I finally cured that problem. As yours has been in tune before, tweaking the plug might help. John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of cwhill [cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 13 November 2011 22:14 To: NSP group Cc: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle I'm presuming that both g notes are actually sounding the proper note? I know you have said they are correct to the drones but those particular notes sound terrible if the drones are just a wee bit off. Do you have access to a tuner? I'd check that the g's on the chanter and drones are actually playing the same note and then check the middle notes to see if they are actually off (to the d/D drones). Even the best ears can have off days. Did you make or buy the reed? There's always a little work today on a bought reed to get it to suit your own chanter. Even home made ones can seem fine but do that. I forget how I fixed mine (a long time ago now) but I never got it spot on. When Colin Ross refettled my pipes and made me a new reed for them that problem vanished completely (before I had to just add a little pressure whenever I played a certain note). I'm afraid my unwarranted pride in making a (nearly) good reed took over from common sense :) Colin Hill On 13/11/2011 20:57, Barry Say wrote: Hi Kevin Do you know what pitch you are tuning at. Is it the same as before? Do you know what pressure you're playing at. Is it the same as before? You could have a reed which naturally gives a flatter d . My guess would be to open the reed a fraction and increase your playing pressure slightly. If that works but the playing pressure is too high, get back to me. On list will be fine. Barry - These things may solve your worst nightmare, or they may eat all of the cheese in your house. I make no guarantees. YMMV. Kevin wrote: Hi to All, Can anyone advice me on the tuning of my chanter to the drones. The top G and the bottom G are in tune with the drones but the middle notes especially the D is a fraction out of tune, a little flat. is this rectified by moving the reed, if so which way? or opening the reed or closing it? the chanter has been in tune in the past but since changing the reed i find these problems, it is either the top/bottom notes are out or the middle notes are outany advice? thanks kevin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: flat chanter in the middle
Hi Kevin Do you know what pitch you are tuning at. Is it the same as before? Do you know what pressure you're playing at. Is it the same as before? You could have a reed which naturally gives a flatter d . My guess would be to open the reed a fraction and increase your playing pressure slightly. If that works but the playing pressure is too high, get back to me. On list will be fine. Barry - These things may solve your worst nightmare, or they may eat all of the cheese in your house. I make no guarantees. YMMV. Kevin wrote: Hi to All, Can anyone advice me on the tuning of my chanter to the drones. The top G and the bottom G are in tune with the drones but the middle notes especially the D is a fraction out of tune, a little flat. is this rectified by moving the reed, if so which way? or opening the reed or closing it? the chanter has been in tune in the past but since changing the reed i find these problems, it is either the top/bottom notes are out or the middle notes are outany advice? thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Dots for tune - Our Kate
'Our Kate' can be found on be [1]JC's ABC Tune Finder and [2]www.thesession.org. [customLogo.gif?revision=3] Geoff Jones BAGPIPE PLAYER TUTOR GREAT HIGHLAND BAGPIPES - SCOTTISH NORTHUMBRIAN SMALL PIPES - BORDER PIPES PHONE: 0419 567 038 - E-MAIL: [3]em...@geoffjones.info - WEBSITE:[4]www.geoffjones.info On 11 November 2011 21:20, Julia Say [5]julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Does anyone have the dots for Our Kate by Kathryn Tickell transcribed, by any chance? I thought I had it, but it must be on a piece of paper buried somewhere in my filing system. The composer herself doesn't have ready access to a copy - I'm sure someone must have written it out for themselves or others. I'd be grateful for a copy if anyone has one, pdf, jpg, abc, whatever (can't read Sibelius or Noteworthy files, sorry). Then I can get it checked. Thanks muchly Julia To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tunefind?P=our+katefind=FINDm=titleW=widescale=0.65limit=1000thresh=5fmt=singleV=1Tsel=tuneNsel=0 2. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8296 3. mailto:em...@geoffjones.info 4. http://www.geoffjones.info/ 5. mailto:julia@nspipes.co.uk 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Dots for tune - Our Kate
On 11 Nov 2011, Geoff Jones wrote: 'Our Kate' can be found on be JC's ABC Tune Finder Thanks, Geoff. Stupidly, I assumed that because it is still in copyright (obviously) it would not be on such sites. I'll hijack it from there and get it checked. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Dots for tune - Our Kate
I now have several copies in two different keys and am getting them checked by the composer. Thanks, one and all. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: triple hornpipes
Nice playing, John. I have tried fading out with my pipes for years but never succeeded! Michael - Original Message - From: John Dally dir...@gmail.com To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 7:53:19 PM Subject: [NSP] triple hornpipes This is a follow up to the October TOTM. Here are three triple hornpipes played on a SSP, chanter by Mike Sharp, drones by Addison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxDelZc71YA To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: hornpipes for October TOTM
It's a great set - Glen Aln is a grand tune that deserves more outings, and itgoes well into the Marquis of Lorne; the Redesdale rounds the set off nicely. I liked the snaps here and there in the Marquis and the Redesdale. John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of John Dally [dir...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 October 2011 23:00 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] hornpipes for October TOTM Here is a set of three hornpipes for October: The Glen Aln, The Marquis of Lorne, The Redesdale: http://soundcloud.com/john-dally/hornpipes-glen-aln-marquis-of I hope you find these enjoyable. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Piping videos
Original Message From: allerwa...@hotmail.com Date: 02/10/2011 12:23 To: marianne.h...@tinyworld.co.uk, Guy Hallguy. h...@tinyworld.co.uk Subj: FW: Piping videos Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:13:34 +0100 From: timr...@btinternet.com Subject: Piping videos To: allerwa...@hotmail.com Here are the links to the videos we took. They are only visible to people who know the link, so they are not generally public. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9zTdwacxU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRoEvtCSFv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWdIhiJpcw Love, Tim--- x To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: TOTM Hornpipe(s)
Very nice Anthony! The pipes sound great and there's some fine phrasing in the playing. For a relatively different aesthetic, and a different reading of the word 'hornpipe', see All The Night I Lay With Jackey In My Arms, the middle tune of this duet set [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQc8MIGqvM and please be indulgent regarding our also 'flawed as usual' performance! The two sets sound fantastic when they are spot on in tune, but of course there's never a recording device running on those occasions. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Anthony Robb [2]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Hellos apiece Here we go - flawed as usual - two great tunes that are becoming popular but could be more so. I've been doing up Jimmy Little's pipes which have spent the last 18 years languishing in their box. I've given them a new chanter reed and have re-tongued three of the drone reeds. The set has only been working fully for a couple of days but should get even better with more playing. According to Jack Armstrong they were made by Baty of Wark circa 1850. [1][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shd_W9kzXpo Best wishes Anthony -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shd_W9kzXpo To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQc8MIGqvM 2. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shd_W9kzXpo 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shd_W9kzXpo 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: October TOTM suggestions?
Thanks for keeping this going. We could try anything by Billy Pigg? I could be beastly and suggest 'Billsmoor', but 'Raylees' is perhaps more user-friendly, and deserves more airtime. Another argument for this is that we haven't done any hornpipes yet, either. John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of John Dally [dir...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2011 07:22 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] October TOTM suggestions? This a formal request for suggestions for the October TOTM. The more discussion the merrier. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: October TOTM suggestions?
On 24 Sep 2011, Gibbons, John wrote: I could be beastly and suggest 'Billsmoor', giggle but 'Raylees' is perhaps more user-friendly, and deserves more airtime. And there's a piper there once more, albeit in a barn conversion not the farmhouse itself. But John D's folio idea is also good.. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: October TOTM suggestions?
But John D's folio idea is also good.. I seem to have missed that email - but there are lots of grand tunes in the new folio. John G From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Julia Say [julia@nspipes.co.uk] Sent: 24 September 2011 12:01 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: October TOTM suggestions? On 24 Sep 2011, Gibbons, John wrote: I could be beastly and suggest 'Billsmoor', giggle but 'Raylees' is perhaps more user-friendly, and deserves more airtime. And there's a piper there once more, albeit in a barn conversion not the farmhouse itself. But John D's folio idea is also good.. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile
Good result, Anthony! This lovely item can be heard for the next 6 days at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014fj7j Emily and Alice's slot is at 1.09 Francis On 13 Sep 2011, at 22:58, Anthony Robb wrote: Some might be interested to know I sent a couple of tracks recorded recently by Emily Alice down to Radio 3. The response has been very positive and as a result they will be playing on this week's 'In Tune' (Thurs 15 Sept. 16:30 - 18:30 local time). Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile
Why did I get Rachmaninov? Richard (Puzzled in Quebec) - Original Message - From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 5:06 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile Good result, Anthony! This lovely item can be heard for the next 6 days at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014fj7j Emily and Alice's slot is at 1.09 Francis On 13 Sep 2011, at 22:58, Anthony Robb wrote: Some might be interested to know I sent a couple of tracks recorded recently by Emily Alice down to Radio 3. The response has been very positive and as a result they will be playing on this week's 'In Tune' (Thurs 15 Sept. 16:30 - 18:30 local time). Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile
On 16 Sep 2011, at 13:18, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: Why did I get Rachmaninov? Richard (Puzzled in Quebec) Because that is the first item on in the programme. For Alice and Emily go to 1.09 (hours and minutes). Good luck Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile
On 16 Sep 2011, at 13:18, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: Why did I get Rachmaninov? Richard (Puzzled in Quebec) Because that is the first item on in the programme. For Alice and Emily go to 1.09 (hours and minutes). Good luck Francis Ah, I was thinking minutes and seconds not hours and minutes (not used to classical radio programmes lasting more than an hour). Thank you Francis. Lovely playing, I feel old :-)) Richard To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile
I agree, and the playing great, I hope it continues to reach new heights and directions for NSP. As was said, it is a chamber instrument --- Dave S On 9/16/2011 2:47 PM, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: On 16 Sep 2011, at 13:18, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: Why did I get Rachmaninov? Richard (Puzzled in Quebec) Because that is the first item on in the programme. For Alice and Emily go to 1.09 (hours and minutes). Good luck Francis Ah, I was thinking minutes and seconds not hours and minutes (not used to classical radio programmes lasting more than an hour). Thank you Francis. Lovely playing, I feel old :-)) Richard To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3900 - Release Date: 09/16/11
[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile
I seem to be unable to pick up any of the several slots, those with Alice and those of Emily alone. Is anyone else having the same probl;em? Can anyone suggest a way of seeing and hearing them? Sheila -Original Message- From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 5:07 am Subject: [NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile Good result, Anthony! This lovely item can be heard for the next 6 days at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014fj7j Emily and Alice's slot is at 1.09 Francis n 13 Sep 2011, at 22:58, Anthony Robb wrote: Some might be interested to know I sent a couple of tracks recorded recently by Emily Alice down to Radio 3. The response has been very positive and as a result they will be playing on this week's 'In Tune' (Thurs 15 Sept. 16:30 - 18:30 local time). Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
I had thought the ban was due to crop failures after Laki erupted catastrophically - but Napoleon is a likelier culprit with this date, 10 years after it quieted down again. John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Francis Wood [oatenp...@googlemail.com] Sent: 13 September 2011 17:54 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
Yes Rob, it certainly wasn't about joining AA! What always strikes me on hearing or playing a Gow tune is what a lovely man he seems to have been have been. This is borne out when you read Burns account of their meeting. In his Journal describes Gow as ''a short, stout-built Highland figure, with his greyish hair shed on his honest social brow, an interesting face, marking strong sense, kind open heartedness mixed with unmistrusting simplicity''. Wonderful. Oh to have been the metaphorical fly on the wall that day! Incidentally this is also confirmed by viewing Raeburn's great portrait of Gow. Mind you I write this today under the influence of last weekend's visit to the excellent new Burns Museum in Ayr, and also after viewing again a wonderful award-winning film ''The Tree of Liberty'' made in 1987 by Timothy Neat -The Songs of Robert Burns sang by Jean Redpath , researched and arranged by Serge Hovey. A deeply moving experience. It's now available on DVD. See it. Bill -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Say Sent: 13 September 2011 19:43 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow My powers of Google are strong this evening: Agricultural Returns and the Government during the Napoleonic Wars http://www.bahs.org.uk/01n1a5.pdf describes wet seasons, harvest failures, and the government reimposing restrictions on the use of grain. There's also in depth analysis of the large variations in the price of wheat of the period concerned.. R On 13/09/2011 19:28, Rob Say wrote: Hi Francis - I looked in to this one a while back for some track notes - here's a summary My understanding is that comment is attributed to Nathaniel and is in the published collection of 1819 (The Beauties of Gow). ( Interestingly the fiddler's companion has words from 1804: http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/FAR_FARE.htm#FAREWELL_TO_WHISKEY_[1]) I searched for and found reference to the 'British Government prohibition' to save the 'wasting of grain' but found only unreferenced stories. Jack Campin has a long article on grain and meal shortages (and riots). This one: http://www.campin.me.uk/Embro/Webrelease/Embro/17riot/17riot.htm gives a 6 fold increase in grain prices: The most extreme price rises for grain - to six times the previous level - were in the years 1799 and 1800. This led to several attacks on stores and carts, particularly in Leith, the Grassmarket, the Cowgate, the West Port and the Pleasance, and the Volunteers were called out to defend the dealers. This kind of action made them the target of children's rhymes: But no references .. the riots should be relatively easy to find - or ask Jack for his source, I see his name around and about... Grain prices are available for that time - e.g. National Archives Doc ref: *152M/C1819/OH142 *(I didn't retrieve it!) *Contents*: Need to encourage agriculture; suggests use of inferior grains in distilleries; greater demand for barley in north of Scotland for production of whiskey; price of grains in 1801 ands 1810 - 'Agricola' to H.A. This book on the haggis: http://www.avrf23.dsl.pipex.com/The%20Haggis%20TYPESET%2016%20feb-2.pdf Both references grain prices and crop failures for the period: 1790s Harvest Failure, 1799 Price of corn was more than double the level of the 1790s, Harvest Failure AND has a substantial reference list ... none of which are on my bookshelf. Hope this helps Rob On 13/09/2011 17:54, Francis Wood wrote: The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3894 - Release Date: 09/13/11 07:35:00
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
Thanks, all, for the many interesting and informative responses! Francis On 13 Sep 2011, at 17:54, Francis Wood wrote: The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
Hello Francis Can't help on that front but I'm told Jack Armstrong would launch into that tune when his glass was empty. Anthony --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com Subject: [NSP] Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 17:54 The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Francis Wood [1]oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Sorry, Francis, no. I do know about Matt Seattle's Farewell to Whisky, but it is not relevant here as it did not provide the inspiration for a tune, though several tunes preceded it. -- References 1. mailto:oatenp...@googlemail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
As an aside, my wife found long ago that they go well together as a sequenced pair with a story to tell, on small harp! Richard. On 13/09/2011 17:54, Francis Wood wrote: The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_19666SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
Hi Francis - I looked in to this one a while back for some track notes - here's a summary My understanding is that comment is attributed to Nathaniel and is in the published collection of 1819 (The Beauties of Gow). ( Interestingly the fiddler's companion has words from 1804: http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/FAR_FARE.htm#FAREWELL_TO_WHISKEY_[1]) I searched for and found reference to the 'British Government prohibition' to save the 'wasting of grain' but found only unreferenced stories. Jack Campin has a long article on grain and meal shortages (and riots). This one: http://www.campin.me.uk/Embro/Webrelease/Embro/17riot/17riot.htm gives a 6 fold increase in grain prices: The most extreme price rises for grain - to six times the previous level - were in the years 1799 and 1800. This led to several attacks on stores and carts, particularly in Leith, the Grassmarket, the Cowgate, the West Port and the Pleasance, and the Volunteers were called out to defend the dealers. This kind of action made them the target of children's rhymes: But no references .. the riots should be relatively easy to find - or ask Jack for his source, I see his name around and about... Grain prices are available for that time - e.g. National Archives Doc ref: *152M/C1819/OH142 *(I didn't retrieve it!) *Contents*: Need to encourage agriculture; suggests use of inferior grains in distilleries; greater demand for barley in north of Scotland for production of whiskey; price of grains in 1801 ands 1810 - 'Agricola' to H.A. This book on the haggis: http://www.avrf23.dsl.pipex.com/The%20Haggis%20TYPESET%2016%20feb-2.pdf Both references grain prices and crop failures for the period: 1790s Harvest Failure, 1799 Price of corn was more than double the level of the 1790s, Harvest Failure AND has a substantial reference list ... none of which are on my bookshelf. Hope this helps Rob On 13/09/2011 17:54, Francis Wood wrote: The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
My powers of Google are strong this evening: Agricultural Returns and the Government during the Napoleonic Wars http://www.bahs.org.uk/01n1a5.pdf describes wet seasons, harvest failures, and the government reimposing restrictions on the use of grain. There's also in depth analysis of the large variations in the price of wheat of the period concerned.. R On 13/09/2011 19:28, Rob Say wrote: Hi Francis - I looked in to this one a while back for some track notes - here's a summary My understanding is that comment is attributed to Nathaniel and is in the published collection of 1819 (The Beauties of Gow). ( Interestingly the fiddler's companion has words from 1804: http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/FAR_FARE.htm#FAREWELL_TO_WHISKEY_[1]) I searched for and found reference to the 'British Government prohibition' to save the 'wasting of grain' but found only unreferenced stories. Jack Campin has a long article on grain and meal shortages (and riots). This one: http://www.campin.me.uk/Embro/Webrelease/Embro/17riot/17riot.htm gives a 6 fold increase in grain prices: The most extreme price rises for grain - to six times the previous level - were in the years 1799 and 1800. This led to several attacks on stores and carts, particularly in Leith, the Grassmarket, the Cowgate, the West Port and the Pleasance, and the Volunteers were called out to defend the dealers. This kind of action made them the target of children's rhymes: But no references .. the riots should be relatively easy to find - or ask Jack for his source, I see his name around and about... Grain prices are available for that time - e.g. National Archives Doc ref: *152M/C1819/OH142 *(I didn't retrieve it!) *Contents*: Need to encourage agriculture; suggests use of inferior grains in distilleries; greater demand for barley in north of Scotland for production of whiskey; price of grains in 1801 ands 1810 - 'Agricola' to H.A. This book on the haggis: http://www.avrf23.dsl.pipex.com/The%20Haggis%20TYPESET%2016%20feb-2.pdf Both references grain prices and crop failures for the period: 1790s Harvest Failure, 1799 Price of corn was more than double the level of the 1790s, Harvest Failure AND has a substantial reference list ... none of which are on my bookshelf. Hope this helps Rob On 13/09/2011 17:54, Francis Wood wrote: The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to this distressing situation: 'Whisky Welcome back again', with the note: Alluding to permitting Whisky to be distilled in the year 1801. It is a merry dancing Tune. I seem to remember reading that the prohibition was caused by a shortage of grain. Can anyone provide anything more specific about the relevant circumstances in 1799 - 1801? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow
On 13 Sep 2011, Rob Say wrote: This book on the haggis: http://www.avrf23.dsl.pipex.com/The%20Haggis%20TYPESET%2016%20feb-2.pdf Both references grain prices and crop failures for the period: 1790s Harvest Failure, 1799 Price of corn was more than double the level of the 1790s, Harvest Failure AND has a substantial reference list ... none of which are on my bookshelf. The prices were additionally hiked by the British government requisitioning foodstuffs for the troops/navies / etc for the various ongoing military campaigns at the time. I can find no reference to whisky in A History of the Scottish People 1560-1830 - generally reckoned a standard social history text, if now a bit dated. The only famine it mentions is the big 1690s one which took out 25% of the Scottish population (and by extrapolation probably a sizeable chunk of the Northumbrian, since the area looked north, not south). Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Matching tune parts.....
Ian Lawther wrote: I was playing through Tom Clough's Bobby Shaftoe this evening and realized that the 6th part is identical in pattern to the 4th part of the highland pipe march The Barren Rocks of Aden (P/M A MacKeller c. 1843). A very interesting observation, Ian! The version I have of Barren Rocks in David Glen's Tutor corroborates what you say. Further observation shows that the harmonic foundation of Tom Clough's Bobby Shaftoe is consistent with itself and with all other versions, whereas Barren Rocks is harmonically built on shifting sands, and it is, strangely, only the 4th part which follows the Bobby Shaftoe harmonic pattern. What does it all mean? We know which tune came first. On an semi-related note, as you will have seen on the dunsire forum, I have been pursuing the original Teribus (the Hawick Toun Tune) as distinct from the Teribus which Highland pipers play, which is related to - wait for it - Bobby Shaftoe. This weekend being the Teribuskers Festival in Hawick, yesterday Bill Telfer and I played the original Teribus on Border pipes in the town for the first time since Toun Piper Walter Ballantyne laid down his pipes in 1797. It rocked. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Is there an obvious repertoire of tunes for this useful variant? Francis On 8 Sep 2011, at 10:40, Richard York wrote: I wonder when someone will develop the double action bellows - one to inflate the pipes, another to fit a vacuum cleaner attachment, which if you think about it could look remarkably like a large bagpipe set with an extra long open ended chanter... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 9 Sep 2011, Francis Wood wrote: Is there an obvious repertoire of tunes for this useful variant? On 8 Sep 2011, at 10:40, Richard York wrote: t a vacuum cleaner attachment, which if you think about it could look remarkably like a large bagpipe set with an extra long open ended chanter... Didn't the inestimable Mr Hoffnung orchestrate for 3 vacuum cleaners and a floor polisher? It was a long time ago, but I have the LP somewhere... Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Ever had one of those moments when you realize you've been working in the wrong direction all along? I've been working hard so that my piping would NOT suck. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Julia Say [1]julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: On 9 Sep 2011, Francis Wood wrote: Is there an obvious repertoire of tunes for this useful variant? On 8 Sep 2011, at 10:40, Richard York wrote: t a vacuum cleaner attachment, which if you think about it could look remarkably like a large bagpipe set with an extra long open ended chanter... Didn't the inestimable Mr Hoffnung orchestrate for 3 vacuum cleaners and a floor polisher? It was a long time ago, but I have the LP somewhere... Julia To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:julia@nspipes.co.uk 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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the streaming eyes and waterfall nose generated by the Northumbrian grassland on that day entirely surpassed all my previous experience. Horrible isn't it? and it's not just (Northumbrian) grassland. I used to suffer from dustmites all year round until a suitable treatment was found. Enough indeed. Csírz (egészségedre!) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 08/09/2011 10:07, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: I used to suffer from dustmites all year round until a suitable treatment was found. I wonder when someone will develop the double action bellows - one to inflate the pipes, another to fit a vacuum cleaner attachment, which if you think about it could look remarkably like a large bagpipe set with an extra long open ended chanter... Sorry, how can you tell I have far too much to do today and am seeking diversionary tactics? Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Would we get round to organising them, though, Julia? Happy diverting-from-whatever-you're-supposed-to-be-doing :) Richard. On 08/09/2011 11:17, Julia Say wrote: On 8 Sep 2011, Richard York wrote: Sorry, how can you tell I have far too much to do today and am seeking diversionary tactics? Its called constructive procrastination, Richard. I'm getting to be an expert on it, too. Shall we run courses on it in our spare time? ;-) Julia --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: [1]http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID =pav_19169SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings \Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam --- -- References 1. http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_19169SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: The inspiration develops from the next day onwards but is relieved with antihistamines My first major hay-fever attack came on a school trip to Chesters fort. Although I had been a sniffely and sneezy youth up to that point, the streaming eyes and waterfall nose generated by the Northumbrian grassland on that day entirely surpassed all my previous experience. Perhaps the Northumbrian plaid was developed as a large scale handkerchief. Enough! Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
