rosspi...@aol.com wrote:
The bags that Jackie makes are based on my sending him the shape of
Burleigh bags which by the 1960's had proved to a good practical shape
and size i.e. 21" in length, 9" deep with the bag approx. 12"x9" with
the neck curving up steeply to avoid pressing against the lef
eft arm or
wrist. I make the neck length 9" from where the drone stock is tied
into the bag.
Colin R
-Original Message-
From: Francis Wood
To: Richard York
CC: NSP group
Sent: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 8:33
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
Hello Richard,
Many NSP bags can be slightly
:40
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
Allow me to offer two possible/likely explanations for leaving the
seam
facing outward:
1) To sew the whole bag and then turn it inside out sounds like a
(Warning: Americanism Alert!) tin-plated bitch. I don't see either
the chanter stock hol
Philip,
You wrote::
John's post about Helmholtz resonators seems to
suggest that a long narrow neck would cause more (or at least
different)
resonance problems than a bag where the neck opens out broadly from
the
narrowest point at the stock, "
I did the sum
On 28 Jan 2010, at 13:16, Julia Say wrote:
> Do I detect a "Northumberland's most wanted" column somewhere?
Something along these lines, perhaps?:
I've got a little list, I've got a little list
Of Society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed, they never would b
On 28 Jan 2010, Gibbons, John wrote:
>> ...strangulation
> Depends on the piper...
> We also have a choice of necks
Do I detect a "Northumberland's most wanted" column somewhere?
Julia
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Depends on the piper...
We also have a choice of necks
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Francis Wood
Sent: 28 January 2010 11:49
To: Philip Gruar
Cc: Dartmouth NPS
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
> . . . . with
> . . . . with all the consequent advantages of strangulation.
I might possibly have meant 'disadvantages'.
Francis
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we use now. I don't recall the tear-drop shape used in any
> late 18th/19th century British pipes.
> However, several Reid sets I have seen had the most beautifully sewn and
> turned (inside-out) bellows outlet tube. Now that's another whole thread to
> become obsessed with
As I understand it, the shape you get if a cartoonist wants to depict a
drop of water: pointy top smoothly widening to rounded belly shape, and
in my mind, the top is not straight but bends off to the side the
chanter's going to go. Again, like the cartoon drop of water.
If I'm wrong, someone p
ly sewn and
> turned (inside-out) bellows outlet tube. Now that's another whole thread to
> become obsessed with!
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:44 PM
> Subject: [NSP] Re: bag
fully sewn and
turned (inside-out) bellows outlet tube. Now that's another whole thread to
become obsessed with!
Philip
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From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:44 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
I always understood the point of the open-cel
t;Francis Wood"
Cc: "Nsplist NPS"
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
>
> What a fascinating thread!
> The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter
stock
> airtight in what
I always understood the point of the open-cell foam in the neck is to
remove the neck resonance problem referred to earlier. The frequency of
this resonance depends critically on the shape - if you model the bag
as a big cavity with a narrow tubular neck,like a bottle, the formula
fo
This thread is great - thanks again all.
Resonance affected by neck shape, air flow etc - forgive my ignorance
but does the presence of a bit of foam in the top of the split stock,
put there I assume to prevent either seasoning escaping into chanter or
loose reed escaping into bag, not affect a
42 +
> To: julia@nspipes.co.uk
> CC: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
> From: oatenp...@googlemail.com
> Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
>
>
> On 27 Jan 2010, at 11:04, Julia Say wrote:
>
> >> I wonder when and why this older and better method was
di
Hi again
Whilst pondering if the old style stitching could be related to
the production of wineskins, and tanning skins as a stitched up bag I found
the following vid, how to make a wineskin.
www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-wineskin
It shows it being stitched apparently wet and turned inside
Hi all
I've just returned from teaching beginner smallpipes and Irish pipes at
Glasgows Celtic connections festival.
Whilst I am a big fan of the Tear drop bag for my own pipes, all my teaching
pipes are on Dagg style sausage bags.
For whatever reason these are easier to casually fit to more
Hi Richard,
Other slight annoyances occuring when messing with bags/neck is
"resonance" or a change in the resistance to airflow.
Some bag/neck shapes give rise to top A and top B sounding flat at which
point the unsuspecting will start chopping or scraping reeds - BEWARE
Dave Singleton
On 27 Jan 2010, at 11:04, Julia Say wrote:
>> I wonder when and why this older and better method was discontinued.
>
> I don't know for definite, but I wonder if it has to do with professional
> saddlers,
> and the introduction of machinery.
That's a very good observation.
> Are there any
On 26 Jan 2010, Francis Wood wrote:
> I wonder when and why this older and better method was discontinued.
I don't know for definite, but I wonder if it has to do with professional
saddlers,
and the introduction of machinery. IIRC, and I am not in front of any notes I
have
on the subject at
foolishly, which is where I come in
Oxter is also given as a verb, to take under the arm. I had only heard the
noun usage before.
Tim
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From: "Anthony Robb"
To: ; "Francis Wood"
Cc: "Nsplist NPS"
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Thanks greatly to one and all for these - great food for thought here.
I'm interested that everyone's addressed the matter of how to make the
existing bag shape comfortable, but no-one has offered experience of the
tear-drop shape - are they very rare, or just deeply heretical?
Meanwhile I sh
Thanks Francis - lovely stuff - it brightened a very grey morning!!
Anthony
--- On Wed, 27/1/10, Francis Wood wrote:
From: Francis Wood
Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape
To: "Anthony Robb"
Cc: "Nsplist NPS"
Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010
On 27 Jan 2010, at 08:46, Anthony Robb wrote:
> The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter stock
> airtight in what amounts to a ridgy hole.
Hi Anthony,
Yes, that's right. However, the seal is made effective by gouging a very
substantial groove in the stock, into which the
What a fascinating thread!
The problem I see with an inverted bag is getting the chanter stock
airtight in what amounts to a ridgy hole. It's bad enough with a nice
soft bag with the seam on the outside and the usual leather wedges.
I hate to admit it but the slightly deeper, shorte
Hello Richard,
Many NSP bags can be slightly rectangular in aspect and the 'corner' near the
blowpipe has the potential to annoy some players. If you find that
experimentation in managing the bag differently does not help, a good solution
would be to order a bag with the profile of that edge sm
Hello Alex and all,
You seem to suggest that turning the bag inside out is unlikely.
I have two reasons for disagreeing, firstly because I have done so myself and
secondly because I have seen many early bags constructed in this way. You will
find that this was the usual method if you look at
Allow me to offer two possible/likely explanations for leaving the seam
facing outward:
1) To sew the whole bag and then turn it inside out sounds like a
(Warning: Americanism Alert!) tin-plated bitch. I don't see either
the chanter stock hole nor the drone stock hole being big en
Hello Richard and Barry,
I agree entirely with the comments here. Comfort and the avoidance of stress
are essential for the effective use of any instrument, and consequently for
musicality.
One aspect of this puzzles me. I have studied a large number of paintings and
engravings showing pipes b
Hi Richard,
Excuse me while I mount my hobby-horse.
The size of the bag relative to the body shape of the player can have a
crucial effect on the perceived difficulty of playing the pipes. I
observed the posture of many players in piping meetings and I came to
the conclusion that those who h
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