RE: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Sorry Steve, I thought it was one of those questions that earnest young students ask after two middies. Bit like the old trees falling in a forest lark, didn't realise you wanted a proper answer. Anyway here goes. If the person to be tortured/murdered is the typical poor innocent sod it usually happens to and the 1 million is composed of Tea Partyists, shock jocks, One Nationers and religious fundamentalist of any stripe, that's not acceptable, let the ers starve. If the person to be tortured/murdered is someone like The Texas Chimp, Bliar or The Rodent and the 1 million are torturers, murderers and the big wigs from the governments who order these actions, well that's very difficult and will take at least 6 months for me to decide, in the meantime carry on torturing and starving. If the person to be tortured/murdered is McCarthy and the 1 million are all bona fide atheists (no lousy fence sitting, indecisive agnostics) then that's more than acceptable. Even if the 1 million are substituted with a single mangy dog it's still acceptable. The latter option could work out brilliantly as we give the manager's job to the dog. It'd be cheaper, we'd have a team who look as though they'd trained together at least once, it probably wouldn't keep playing it's favourite bumboys and the substitutions would at last make some sense. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:34 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I won't answer that until you answer my question. There are lots of countries that have similar regimes but do nothing for their people (Korea, Burma, most of the middle east, most of Africa). I just don't see it's as simple as focussing on human rights alone. I knew it was a controversial point of view but I thought it could be debated. On 21 April 2011 19:33, Rog & Reet wrote: What's your position if that person is your wife or child? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:54 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Put it like this: 1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is held or tortured or executed. Would you think that is acceptable? On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet wrote: Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more dosh? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved in a free economy? On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: ? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on
Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
I won't answer that until you answer my question. There are lots of countries that have similar regimes but do nothing for their people (Korea, Burma, most of the middle east, most of Africa). I just don't see it's as simple as focussing on human rights alone. I knew it was a controversial point of view but I thought it could be debated. On 21 April 2011 19:33, Rog & Reet wrote: > What’s your position if that person is your wife or child? > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:54 PM > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > Put it like this: > > 1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is > held or tortured or executed. > > Would you think that is acceptable? > > On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more > dosh? > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM > > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. > > > How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the > speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved > in a free economy? > > > > > > > On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: > > ? > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM > > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > Not on the same scale, and that's the point. > > On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned > mass murder and torture. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've > mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... > > I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. > However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions > of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously > doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to > the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the > few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes > but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? > > Tough one eh? > > On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian > Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with > several pithy ditties, including: *"One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai > Lama," *and, to the tune of *Yellow Submarine*,* "We all live in a free > democracy, free democracy, a free democracy …"* > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
RE: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
What's your position if that person is your wife or child? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:54 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Put it like this: 1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is held or tortured or executed. Would you think that is acceptable? On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet wrote: Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more dosh? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved in a free economy? On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: ? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
RE: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Wasn't he our fitness trainer? _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 7:00 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? That 1 bloke must eat a lot food. _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu Apr 21 18:53:56 2011 Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Put it like this: 1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is held or tortured or executed. Would you think that is acceptable? On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet wrote: Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more dosh? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved in a free economy? On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: ? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
That 1 bloke must eat a lot food.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu Apr 21 18:53:56 2011
Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Put it like this:
1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is
held or tortured or executed.
Would you think that is acceptable?
On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet wrote:
Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more
dosh?
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of
China's.
How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because
the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved
in a free economy?
On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote:
?
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Not on the same scale, and that's the point.
On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote:
Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state
sanctioned mass murder and torture.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've
mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But...
I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number.
However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of
people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if
that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan
philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There
might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the
life of hundreds of millions has been improved?
Tough one eh?
On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote:
Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian
Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several
pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and,
to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free
democracy, a free democracy …"
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
--
Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email
in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the
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Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be?
A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Put it like this: 1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is held or tortured or executed. Would you think that is acceptable? On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet wrote: > Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more > dosh? > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. > > > How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the > speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved > in a free economy? > > > > > > > On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: > > ? > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM > > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > Not on the same scale, and that's the point. > > On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned > mass murder and torture. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've > mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... > > I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. > However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions > of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously > doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to > the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the > few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes > but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? > > Tough one eh? > > On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian > Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with > several pithy ditties, including: *"One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai > Lama," *and, to the tune of *Yellow Submarine*,* "We all live in a free > democracy, free democracy, a free democracy …"* > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
RE: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more dosh? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved in a free economy? On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: ? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
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India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved in a free economy? On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet wrote: > ? > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > Not on the same scale, and that's the point. > > On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned > mass murder and torture. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've > mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... > > I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. > However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions > of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously > doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to > the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the > few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes > but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? > > Tough one eh? > > On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian > Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with > several pithy ditties, including: *"One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai > Lama," *and, to the tune of *Yellow Submarine*,* "We all live in a free > democracy, free democracy, a free democracy …"* > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
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? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
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Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet wrote: > Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned > mass murder and torture. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? > > > > I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've > mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... > > I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. > However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions > of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously > doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to > the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the > few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes > but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? > > Tough one eh? > > On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: > > Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian > Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with > several pithy ditties, including: *"One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai > Lama," *and, to the tune of *Yellow Submarine*,* "We all live in a free > democracy, free democracy, a free democracy …"* > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
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Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
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I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet wrote: > Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian > Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with > several pithy ditties, including: *"One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai > Lama," **and, to the tune of **Yellow Submarine**,** "We all live in a > free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy …"* > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
[NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans?
Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
