Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
that is explaining the situation. But for an end-user (i try to keep
myself on that level) it is *not* very convenient left with this
situation (not knowing it exists in the first place)
   

Not all hope is lost. IIRC there were two important differences from
your texlive upto now:
1) paths of scripts have changed (now in texmf/scripts/context/perl/
  I don't remember were they were ... wait texmf/context/perltk)
2) metafun macros are now in metapost/context/base (hmm, it looks as
  if this is now since a long time ... OK found it: this was in
  metapost/context in version 2003.1.28 and in .../base in version
  2003.1.30 - long time before current texlive came out. You use the
  current texlive (almost a year old now))?
So you are probably only affected by 1). Any window user should tell
you how to use the texexec.pl from the scripts path and use this in
favour of the default one.
 

if you have textools.rb:
textools --fixtexmftrees
will fix the tree
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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi Floris,

> that is explaining the situation. But for an end-user (i try to keep
> myself on that level) it is *not* very convenient left with this
> situation (not knowing it exists in the first place)

Not all hope is lost. IIRC there were two important differences from
your texlive upto now:

1) paths of scripts have changed (now in texmf/scripts/context/perl/
   I don't remember were they were ... wait texmf/context/perltk)

2) metafun macros are now in metapost/context/base (hmm, it looks as
   if this is now since a long time ... OK found it: this was in
   metapost/context in version 2003.1.28 and in .../base in version
   2003.1.30 - long time before current texlive came out. You use the
   current texlive (almost a year old now))?

So you are probably only affected by 1). Any window user should tell
you how to use the texexec.pl from the scripts path and use this in
favour of the default one.

> I guess i have to uninstall the present pftex and start from
> scratch.

Oh no, don't do this. It looks fine. An uptodate texexec is not
extremely important.

> Which one is the best option to get Context,metafun,xml working?
> And i would like to have a similar working set on my OSX laptop too.
> Where are the experts ? :-)

You use texlive on your OS X laptop? That is what I have, too. I have
not taken the default ConTeXt, but downloaded a current one from
Pragma ADE page and installed it in a spearate directory and did a
few things that are mentioned on my old ConTeXt page
(http://levana.de/context).


> Hints for improvement:
>

[...]

I'll return to the live... next week, I'll save your (and the other)
suggestions until then.

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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Floris van Manen
>> But unzipping it on top of the texlive was not the very best idea I'd
>> guess. 
EA> 
EA> I agree... but be aware that in 
EA> http://contextgarden.net/Linux_Installation this is just what is suggested

and precisely what i therefor did :-(

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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Floris van Manen
Hi Patrick,

PG> But unzipping it on top of the texlive was not the very best idea I'd
PG> guess. The directory structure has changed a bit with respect to the
PG> location of scripts and metapost files, so your old texlive metafun
PG> macros will be used.

that is explaining the situation. But for an end-user (i try to keep
myself on that level) it is *not* very convenient left with this
situation (not knowing it exists in the first place)

I guess i have to uninstall the present pftex and start from scratch.
Which one is the best option to get Context,metafun,xml working?
And i would like to have a similar working set on my OSX laptop too.
Where are the experts ? :-)




Also, i find the live context garden very helpful, as you can check a
script independent form your own location.

Hints for improvement:

1. provide an e-mail response for hints/remarks/questions.
2. the 'reset form' switch doesn't work.
3. some kind of summary (e.g. the real errors) of the log file would
be very helpful. at present you have to parse the output yourself and
have to locate the error yourself (e.g. too much is just info)



thanks!
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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Floris van Manen
h.

I just want to use context with the metafun and xml features.
I don't know if that is minimal enough :-)

HH> actually, if you run a minimal tree, you can do a sycn with the
HH> tree on out server using texsync, but i have to test that -)

via google i found:

http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mtexsync-s.pdf

in that document is a link:

http://www.pragma-ade.com/system/rsync-cw.zip

but that seems to be void these days :-(

how do i get this texsync, it seems the right tool for me...

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Vit Zyka
i got the update from pragma-ade.com, unzipped the files in
c:\texlive\texmf i did run the texexec --make
but i still have texexec 4.0 running...

Any windows / texlive users should be able to tell you more. 
Win / TeX Live call Perl scripts via .exe files of the same name.
But I do not know connection between them (e.g. if it follows kpsewhich 
for finding new .pl in texmf-local).

Somebody should know more, somebody had to prepare .exe files.
Vit Zyka
P.S. I suppose you can call new one via
  perl %TEXEXECPATH%\texexec.pl %*
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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Duncan Hothersall
Eros Albertazzi wrote:
>Patrick Gundlach wrote:
But unzipping it on top of the texlive was not the very best idea I'd
guess. 
>
>I agree... but be aware that in
>http://contextgarden.net/Linux_Installation this is just what is 
>suggested

As the author of that page I should respond!
First of all, as the name suggests, it's about a Linux installation, and 
this is a Windows installation. I have no experience at all of Windows 
installs, and nothing on that page should be applied to Windows unless 
you know that it works there too. I don't.

Second, the reason I make that recommendation is that in my set up, that 
is what works best. (Essentially that page is a copy of my own readme 
file which reminds me how to set up my server again after it crashes...) 
Replacing the files removes any doubt about versions of files being 
used, and forces one to review and understand the file structure and 
changes between versions. I always diff the complete fileset first to 
see what's changed.

Perhaps a Windows_Installation page will be the result of the process 
you are going through. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Eros Albertazzi
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
But unzipping it on top of the texlive was not the very best idea I'd
guess. 
I agree... but be aware that in 
http://contextgarden.net/Linux_Installation this is just what is suggested
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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Floris,

> i got the update from pragma-ade.com, unzipped the files in
> c:\texlive\texmf i did run the texexec --make
> but i still have texexec 4.0 running...

Any windows / texlive users should be able to tell you more. 

But unzipping it on top of the texlive was not the very best idea I'd
guess. The directory structure has changed a bit with respect to the
location of scripts and metapost files, so your old texlive metafun
macros will be used.

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
There is no way to update this automaticalliy. But take a look at the
wiki and http://levana.de/context/  (still need to put this into the
wiki).
 

actually, if you run a minimal tree, you can do a sycn with the tree on out server using texsync, but i have to test that -) 

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hello,
 

i did, but it has side-effects...
it will scale, but the color disappears too.
try.
   

This is indeed strange. Any metapost experts?
 

how did the graphic definition look? 

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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
PG> There is no way to update this automaticalliy.

i think i got lost in the trees...

i got the update from pragma-ade.com, unzipped the files in
c:\texlive\texmf i did run the texexec --make
but i still have texexec 4.0 running...

the texexec.exe doesn't seem to find the most recent version.
i know i'm doing something unintentionally (may that be a lesson to
you :-) yet how do i get out?

thanks!
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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Floris,

> i guess it might have to do with the versions of the programs
> involved. below you see the output of my version and the contextgarden
> version.

That might be the case. But a year ago things should have worked the
same way.

> i got my LiveTex last week from the web. Any idea how to
> (automatically) update to the most recent versions?

There is no way to update this automaticalliy. But take a look at the
wiki and http://levana.de/context/  (still need to put this into the
wiki).

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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
i guess it might have to do with the versions of the programs
involved. below you see the output of my version and the contextgarden
version.
i got my LiveTex last week from the web. Any idea how to
(automatically) update to the most recent versions?

//f


=
my version:


 TeXExec 4.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2003

executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
 inputfile : testtex
output : pdftex
 interface : en
  current mode : none
   TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11b-2.1 (Web2c 7.5.2)
 %&-line parsing enabled.
 (c:/TeXLive/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)
entering extended mode
(./testtex.tex{c:/TeXLive/texmf-var/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.9.25  fmt: 2004.8.6  int: english  mes: english

language   : language en is active

system : cont-new loaded
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems: beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
)
system : cont-old loaded
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading: Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading: Context File Synonyms
)
system : cont-sys loaded
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex)
bodyfont   : 12pt rm is loaded
language   : patterns 2:2-en-2 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials   : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system : testtex.top loaded
(./testtex.top
specials   : loading definition file tpd
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials   : loading definition file fdf
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex  
system (E-TEX) : [line 1907] \ifcsname
 )
specials   : fdf loaded
 )
specials   : fdf,tpd loaded
)


==
contextgarden:





 TeXExec 4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004

executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
 inputfile : texweb
output : pdftex
 interface : en
  current mode : none
   TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.20a-rc7.1-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.3)
 (/opt/tetex/20040711/texmf/web2c/natural.tcx)
output format initialized to DVI
entering extended mode
(./texweb.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2004.6.26  fmt: 2004.7.27  int: english  mes: english

language   : language en is active

system : cont-new loaded
(/opt/tetex/20040711/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems: beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
color  : palette rollover is available
system (E-TEX) : [line 599] 
system (E-TEX) : [line 654] 
)
system : cont-old loaded
(/opt/tetex/20040711/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading: Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(/opt/tetex/20040711/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading: Context File Synonyms
)
system : cont-sys loaded
(/opt/local/texmf/tex/context/cont-sys.tex
specials   : loading definition file tpd
(/opt/tetex/20040711/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials   : loading definition file fdf
(/opt/tetex/20040711/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex 

system (E-TEX) : [line 2270] \ifcsname 
 )
specials   : fdf loaded
 )
specials   : fdf,tpd loaded
)



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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Peter Münster
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Floris van Manen wrote:

> VZ> Floris, you are not alone. I also have not find the quick solution. So I
> VZ> call texexec two times when working with MP graphics,
> VZ> color definitions, ... :-(
> 
> running it twice is something i can live with, but if it will not
> solve the problem, then it is... what do i do wrong?

Once, I had a similar problem: modifications in the embedded MetaFun code
did not show up in the pdf or ps file, even after 4 or 5 texexec runs.
The solution was, to delete all temporary files (*.mp *.tuo *.tui etc).
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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello,

> i did, but it has side-effects...
> it will scale, but the color disappears too.
> try.

This is indeed strange. Any metapost experts?


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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Vit Zyka
VZ> Floris, you are not alone. I also have not find the quick solution. So I
VZ> call texexec two times when working with MP graphics,
VZ> color definitions, ... :-(
running it twice is something i can live with, but if it will not
solve the problem, then it is... what do i do wrong?

Vit and Floris,
if your TeX source is one file only, please do me a favour: try the
TeX files on live.contextgarden.net and see if the output comes out
right. If it doesn't, I'd like to know about it. If it does, please
report on the list. Do you have write18 (texmf.cnf) enabled? How does your
cont-sys.tex look like? What distribution do you use?
I have (on live..) disabled write18, \runMPgraphicstrue
and \runMPTEXgraphicstrue.
Thank you, Patrick, I will monitor the case and I will let you know if 
it occures again.

I am using two distributions (the case was observed on both):
1) TeX Live 2002/Linux; write18 enabled
2) TeX Live 2003/Win 2K, updated ConTeXt on Win 2000;
   write18 disabled for a long time, but it was enabled a month ago
cont-sys.tex (without comments):
\usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]
\runMPgraphicstrue
\runMPTEXgraphicstrue
\useMETAFUNformattrue
\newprettytrue
\protectbufferstrue
Vit
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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
>> PG> currentpicture :=nullpicture;
>> PG> draw pic scaled 3 ;
>> PG> 
>> PG> clears the first picture.
>>
>>
>> but i only intend to draw one picture...
PG> 
PG> is this a question? Did you try the code?


i did, but it has side-effects...
it will scale, but the color disappears too.
try.

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%% interface=english output=pdftex
\setupcolors[state=start]
\starttext
\startuseMPgraphic{dummy}
drawoptions(withpen pencircle scaled .1pt) ;
w0 := 0cm ; w1 := 1.2cm ; w2 := 2.7 cm ; w3 := 3.0cm ;
ww0 := 0.96cm ; ww1 := 1.2cm ; ww2 := 1.8cm ; ww3 := 2.4cm ;
path p ; p := (w0,w0)--(w0,ww0)--(w1,ww1)--(w3,ww2)--(w3,w0)--cycle ;
drawoptions(withpen pencircle scaled .1pt withcolor .625yellow) ;
draw hlingrid(0, 5, 1, 3cm, 3cm)  ;
draw vlingrid(0, 10, 1, 3cm, 3cm)  ;
drawoptions(withpen pencircle scaled 1mm withcolor black) ;
dotlabel.top ("1" , point 1 of p)  ;
dotlabel.top ("2" , point 2 of p)  ;
dotlabel.top ("3" , point 3 of p)  ;


%   enable/disable this section %%
picture pic ; pic := currentpicture ;
currentpicture := nullpicture ;
draw pic scaled 1.0 ;
%

\stopuseMPgraphic
\useMPgraphic{dummy}
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Floris van Manen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> PG> currentpicture :=nullpicture;
> PG> draw pic scaled 3 ;
> PG> 
> PG> clears the first picture.
>
>
> but i only intend to draw one picture...

is this a question? Did you try the code?

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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
PG> You should tell metapost to erase the first picture before drawing
PG> the second one. So:
PG> 
PG> 
PG> currentpicture :=nullpicture;
PG> draw pic scaled 3 ;
PG> 
PG> clears the first picture.


but i only intend to draw one picture...


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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Floris,

> the line. i see two lines, a single row of dots and two rows of
> labels, one small one large...
> You can tell that i'm not very good in telling the right thing to the
> compiler :-)
> but what should i tell?

You should tell metapost to erase the first picture before drawing
the second one. So:


currentpicture :=nullpicture;
draw pic scaled 3 ;

clears the first picture.

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Floris,

> where do i do this?
> in C:\texLive\texmf\tex\context\user\cont-sys.rme ?
> and what do i type there?

see the wiki:

http://contextgarden.net/Cont-sys.tex
and
http://contextgarden.net/Texmf.cnf

Does this help?

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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
Hi Patrick,

PG> if your TeX source is one file only, please do me a favour: try the
PG> TeX files on live.contextgarden.net and see if the output comes out
PG> right. If it doesn't, I'd like to know about it. If it does, please
PG> report on the list.

yes this works great. every change i make is directly visible after a
single texexec hit.

PG> Do you have write18 (texmf.cnf) enabled? How does your
PG> cont-sys.tex look like? What distribution do you use?

i use the LiveTeX PC version.

PG> I have (on live..) disabled write18, \runMPgraphicstrue
PG> and \runMPTEXgraphicstrue.

where do i do this?
in C:\texLive\texmf\tex\context\user\cont-sys.rme ?
and what do i type there?



Also i noticed a strange thing happening in the following file.
What i expect is a single line with a dotted label on each point of
the line. i see two lines, a single row of dots and two rows of
labels, one small one large...
You can tell that i'm not very good in telling the right thing to the
compiler :-)
but what should i tell?




% interface=english output=pdftex

\setupcolors[state=start]
\starttext

\startuseMPgraphic{dummy}

drawoptions(withpen pencircle scaled .1pt) ;

w0 := 0cm ; w1 := 0.4cm ; w2 := 0.9 cm ; w3 := 1.0cm ;
ww0 := 0.32cm ; ww1 := 0.4cm ; ww2 := 0.6cm ; ww3 := 0.8cm ;

path q ; q := (w0,w0)--(w0,ww0)--(w1,ww1)--(w2,ww2)--(w3,ww3)--(w3,w0)--cycle ;

pickup pencircle scaled 1mm ;
defaultscale := 0.5 ;
dotlabel.bot ("1" , point 1 of q) ;
dotlabel.bot ("2" , point 2 of q) ;
dotlabel.bot ("3" , point 3 of q) ;
dotlabel.bot ("4" , point 4 of q) ;

draw q ;

picture pic ; pic := currentpicture ;
draw pic scaled 3 ;

drawoptions(withpen pencircle scaled .1pt withcolor .625yellow) ;
draw hlingrid(0, 5, 1, 3cm, 3cm) ;
draw vlingrid(0, 10, 1, 3cm, 3cm) ;

\stopuseMPgraphic

\useMPgraphic{dummy}

\stoptext










Floris van Manen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> VZ> Floris, you are not alone. I also have not find the quick solution. So I
> VZ> call texexec two times when working with MP graphics,
> VZ> color definitions, ... :-(
>
> running it twice is something i can live with, but if it will not
> solve the problem, then it is... what do i do wrong?

Vit and Floris,



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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Floris van Manen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> VZ> Floris, you are not alone. I also have not find the quick solution. So I
> VZ> call texexec two times when working with MP graphics,
> VZ> color definitions, ... :-(
>
> running it twice is something i can live with, but if it will not
> solve the problem, then it is... what do i do wrong?

Vit and Floris,

if your TeX source is one file only, please do me a favour: try the
TeX files on live.contextgarden.net and see if the output comes out
right. If it doesn't, I'd like to know about it. If it does, please
report on the list. Do you have write18 (texmf.cnf) enabled? How does your
cont-sys.tex look like? What distribution do you use?

I have (on live..) disabled write18, \runMPgraphicstrue
and \runMPTEXgraphicstrue.


Patrick
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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
VZ> Floris, you are not alone. I also have not find the quick solution. So I
VZ> call texexec two times when working with MP graphics,
VZ> color definitions, ... :-(

running it twice is something i can live with, but if it will not
solve the problem, then it is... what do i do wrong?

//f

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Vit Zyka
Floris van Manen wrote:
PR> it seems that you haven't reached page 307
well i did.
as far as i understand it, the best way to deal with compiling is to
call texexec.
and i do get graphics in my pdf, but sometimes i need to do en extra
texexec cycle to see the changes come through. and sometimes i don't
get anything into my pdf. that is what makes me uncertain...
Floris, you are not alone. I also have not find the quick solution. So I 
call texexec two times when working with MP graphics,
color definitions, ... :-(

Vit Zyka
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Re[2]: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Floris van Manen
PR> it seems that you haven't reached page 307

well i did.
as far as i understand it, the best way to deal with compiling is to
call texexec.
and i do get graphics in my pdf, but sometimes i need to do en extra
texexec cycle to see the changes come through. and sometimes i don't
get anything into my pdf. that is what makes me uncertain...

//f

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Re: [NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-11 Thread Peter Rolf
Hello Floris,
it seems that you haven't reached page 307
Have fun,
   Peter
Floris van Manen wrote:
i'm working through the metafun manual.
i noticed at some point that changes to the source do not appear in
the pdf output. sometimes after another texexec round, sometimes not
at all until i do something different in the tex file...
how come (or how to work around :-)
thanks!
//f
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[NTG-context] no graph after compilation

2004-08-10 Thread Floris van Manen
i'm working through the metafun manual.
i noticed at some point that changes to the source do not appear in
the pdf output. sometimes after another texexec round, sometimes not
at all until i do something different in the tex file...
how come (or how to work around :-)

thanks!
//f

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