[NTG-context] Replacement mechanism bug in LMTX?

[denis.maier]

Ah, I've now realized that the \blockligatures needs to be activated as a font 
feature... So forget about this point.

But, it still looks like ligature prevention with \replaceword is not working 
with lmtx, but it works with --luatex.


% these don't prevent ligatures
\replaceword[eka][auffasse][au{ff}asse]
\replaceword[eka][auffasst][au{ff}asst]
\replaceword[eka][auffasste][au{ff}asste]
\replaceword[eka][asdf][jklö] % this works though

% block as a font feature
\blockligatures[ff]
\definefontfeature[default:nolig][default][blockligatures=yes]


% finally this here works
\startexceptions[de]
au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)asse
au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)asste
\stopexceptions 


\starttext

no replacements\par
asdf
auffasste
auffasse
ff
\blank


with replacements\par
\setreplacements[eka]
asdf
auffasste
auffasse
ff
\blank


disable replacements again\par
\resetreplacements 
asdf
auffasste
auffasse
ff
\blank

disable ligatures via font features\par
\definedfont[Serif*default:nolig]
asdf
auffasste
auffasse
ff
\definedfont[Serif*default] % back to normal font
\blank


now via exceptions\par
\language[de] % this should trigger ligature handling via exceptions
auffasste
auffasse

\stoptext





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> An: j.ha...@xs4all.nl; ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Betreff: [NTG-context] Replacement mechanism?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> last October I've reported a strange bug with \replaceword
> 
> I know there's the new mechanism for dealing with ligatures, and I still 
> intend
> to convert the word list to the new format, but I'm still wondering whether
> that has been fixed.
> 
> Now, I've been testing with the minimal example below, and it looks there
> might be another bug with the replacement and ligature blocking
> mechanism:
> 
> --
> % these don't prevent ligatures
> \replaceword[eka][auffasse][au{ff}asse]
> \replaceword[eka][auffasst][au{ff}asst]
> \replaceword[eka][auffasste][au{ff}asste]
> \replaceword[eka][asdf][jklö] % this works though \setreplacements[eka]
> 
> % doesn't block the ff ligature
> \blockligatures[ff]
> 
> % finally this here works
> \startexceptions[de]
> au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)asse
> au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)asste
> \stopexceptions
> 
> 
> \starttext
> asdf % replacements work in general
> auffasste
> auffasse
> ff
> 
> % now via exceptions:
> \language[de]
> auffasste
> auffasse
> ff
> \stoptext
> --
> 
> 
> Best
> Denis
> 
> On 10/8/2020 3:15 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> > Ok,
> > I've commented the whole nolig-german-wordlist out piece by piece, and
> > it looks like it comes down to this:
> >
> > ```
> > \replaceword[eka][auffasse][au{ff}asse]
> > \replaceword[eka][auffasst][au{ff}asst]
> >
> > \setreplacements[eka]
> >
> > \starttext
> > auffasste
> > auffasse
> > \stoptext
> > ```
> >
> > Uncommenting one of the \replacewords makes the wrong replacement
> > disappear.
> > But I don't see why "auffasste" should trigger an replacement. What is
> > happening here?
> 
> i will look into it ... so patience is needed
> 
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[NTG-context] Replacement mechanism?

[denis.maier]

Hi,

last October I've reported a strange bug with \replaceword

I know there's the new mechanism for dealing with ligatures, and I still intend 
to convert the word list to the new format, but I'm still wondering whether 
that has been fixed.

Now, I've been testing with the minimal example below, and it looks there might 
be another bug with the replacement and ligature blocking mechanism:

--
% these don't prevent ligatures
\replaceword[eka][auffasse][au{ff}asse]
\replaceword[eka][auffasst][au{ff}asst]
\replaceword[eka][auffasste][au{ff}asste]
\replaceword[eka][asdf][jklö] % this works though
\setreplacements[eka]

% doesn't block the ff ligature
\blockligatures[ff]

% finally this here works
\startexceptions[de]
au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)asse
au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)asste
\stopexceptions 


\starttext
asdf % replacements work in general
auffasste
auffasse
ff

% now via exceptions:
\language[de]
auffasste
auffasse
ff
\stoptext
--


Best
Denis

On 10/8/2020 3:15 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> Ok,
> I've commented the whole nolig-german-wordlist out piece by piece, and 
> it looks like it comes down to this:
>
> ```
> \replaceword[eka][auffasse][au{ff}asse]
> \replaceword[eka][auffasst][au{ff}asst]
>
> \setreplacements[eka]
>
> \starttext
> auffasste
> auffasse
> \stoptext
> ```
>
> Uncommenting one of the \replacewords makes the wrong replacement 
> disappear.
> But I don't see why "auffasste" should trigger an replacement. What is 
> happening here?

i will look into it ... so patience is needed

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement for \getcitedata

[Michael Eidenbenz]

thanks.
but i'm encountering my old problem:

\externalfigure[\cite[file][Eidenbenz2016]]

gives me an error.
Do I need a lua approach here?

Michael



> On 12 Jul 2016, at 16:09, Alan BRASLAU  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:51:06 +0200
> Michael Eidenbenz  wrote:
> 
>> is there a way to extract data from the bib database to use it in a
>> macro?
>> 
>> something like a replacement for the old \getcitedata
> 
> \cite[title] [Eidenbenz2016]
> 
> (Any field can be obtained with this mechanism.)
> 
> Alan

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement for \getcitedata

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:39:27 +0200
Michael Eidenbenz  wrote:

> but i'm encountering my old problem:
> 
> \externalfigure[\cite[file][Eidenbenz2016]]
> 
> gives me an error.

This is not the right approach, as explained earlier.

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement for \getcitedata

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:51:06 +0200
Michael Eidenbenz  wrote:

> is there a way to extract data from the bib database to use it in a
> macro?
> 
> something like a replacement for the old \getcitedata

\cite[title] [Eidenbenz2016]

(Any field can be obtained with this mechanism.)

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[NTG-context] replacement for \getcitedata

[Michael Eidenbenz]

is there a way to extract data from the bib database to use it in a macro?

something like a replacement for the old \getcitedata

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Re: [NTG-context] Replacement with a predefined table?

[Hans Hagen]

On 9/11/2013 7:10 PM, H. Özoguz wrote:

Is the following possible in ConText?

I want to define a table like this:

1: Hans
2: Wolfgang
3: Aditja
4: Marco


in which I can look up by a function, which allows the following command:

\name{number}. E.g. This is \name{3} should compile to This is Aditja.

For my purpose, the table would have 114 entries.


\startluacode

document.SomeNames = {
Hans,
Wolfgang,
Aditja,
Marco,
}

\stopluacode

\def\SomeName#1{\cldcontext{document.SomeNames[\number#1]}}

\starttext

\SomeName{1}

\stoptext

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[NTG-context] Replacement with a predefined table?

[H. Özoguz]

Is the following possible in ConText?

I want to define a table like this:

1: Hans
2: Wolfgang
3: Aditja
4: Marco
...

in which I can look up by a function, which allows the following command:

\name{number}. E.g. This is \name{3} should compile to This is Aditja.

For my purpose, the table would have 114 entries.

Thanks for help.
Huseyin
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 15.05.2009 um 22:11 schrieb Peter Münster:


On Thu, 14 May 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

@Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or  
spacefactor) in mkiv.


Indeed. See also: http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=117



Another test file, as you can see (ConTeXt and Hans extended plain  
TeX) it happens

only with OT fonts but not with Type1.

\font\one=cmr10
\font\two=file:texgyrepagella-regular

\bgroup

A A A

\primitive\sfcode`A=2000

A A A

\egroup

\bgroup\one

A A A

\primitive\sfcode`A=2000

A A A

\egroup

\bgroup\two

A A A

\primitive\sfcode`A=2000

A A A

\egroup

\bye

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 14 May 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or spacefactor) in
 mkiv.

Indeed. See also: http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=117
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Martin Schröder]

2009/5/14, Yue Wang yuleo...@gmail.com:
 I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
  be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.

Not always: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_spacing

Best
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.05.2009 um 03:51 schrieb Ryo Furue:


Hi ConTeXt users,

I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period).  I can define

 \d...@{\spacefactor1000}

and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.


... USA.\ ...

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Hans Hagen]

Yue Wang wrote:

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue fu...@hawaii.edu wrote:

Hi ConTeXt users,

I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period).  I can define

 \d...@{\spacefactor1000}

and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.



I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.
You'd better change TeX's default behavior.


huh?

each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is 
one, but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have 
spacing before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for 
tex to be able to deal with it)


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Khaled Hosny]

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:04:51AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Yue Wang wrote:
 On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue fu...@hawaii.edu wrote:
 Hi ConTeXt users,

 I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
 of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
 period).  I can define

  \d...@{\spacefactor1000}

 and use it, but if there is an official version
 I'd like to know.


 I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
 be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.
 You'd better change TeX's default behavior.

 huh?

 each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is  
 one, but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have  
 spacing before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for  
 tex to be able to deal with it)

Not only French, it is also the case for traditional Arabic typesetting,
though people tend to follow the English rules these days.

Regards,
 Khaled


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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Ryo Furue]

|  I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
|  of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
|  period).  I can define
| 
|   \d...@{\spacefactor1000}
| 
|  and use it, but if there is an official version
|  I'd like to know.
| 
| ... USA.\ ...

Thanks, but that doesn't change the spacing, in my environment
at least.  (I use texlive-context on the testing distribution
of Debian.)

I think the command \  inserts an inter-word spacing,
not an inter-sentence spacing.  You can compare whether

   USA.\ This is another sentence

gives the same result as

   USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence

I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word
and inter-sentence spacings are the same.  But, by default,
ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the
inter-word spacing.  In such a case, there has to be a means
to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends
with a capital letter and a period.

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.05.2009 um 21:59 schrieb Ryo Furue:


I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word
and inter-sentence spacings are the same.  But, by default,
ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the
inter-word spacing.  In such a case, there has to be a means
to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends
with a capital letter and a period.


The TeXbook suggest to use \null before the period,
e.g. USA\null. This is another sentence but I would prefer
here LaTeX's \...@.

@Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or  
spacefactor) in mkiv.


\starttext

USA. This is another sentence

USA.\ This is another sentence

USA\null. This is another sentence

USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 14 May 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:

 each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is one,
 but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have spacing
 before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for tex to be
 able to deal with it)

Hello Hans,

Could you please comment on this message:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080718.192231.d8036759.en.html

It seems, that the contents of this message is still up-to-date.

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[NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Ryo Furue]

Hi ConTeXt users,

I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period).  I can define

  \d...@{\spacefactor1000}

and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.

Regards,
Ryo
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

[Yue Wang]

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue fu...@hawaii.edu wrote:
 Hi ConTeXt users,

 I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
 of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
 period).  I can define

  \d...@{\spacefactor1000}

 and use it, but if there is an official version
 I'd like to know.


I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.
You'd better change TeX's default behavior.

 Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement for \nolist ?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2009-05-05 um 01:07 schrieb Kevin D. Robbins:


I asked this one last week. Wolfgang provided the (one?) answer:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20090424.173741.4c33e4d3.en.html



Thank you!
Sorry, I forgot to search the ML first.

\select works; good to learn about that mechanism (I hope it won't  
disappear soon like some others...), even if \nolist was much simpler.



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[NTG-context] replacement for \nolist ?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Another command that disappeared from MkIV is \nolist (to exclude  
parts of a title from a table of contents).


What's its replacement?


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Re: [NTG-context] replacement for \nolist ?

[Kevin D. Robbins]

I asked this one last week. Wolfgang provided the (one?) answer:

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20090424.173741.4c33e4d3.en.html

Kevin

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net wrote:

 Another command that disappeared from MkIV is \nolist (to exclude parts of
 a title from a table of contents).

 What's its replacement?


 Greetlings from Lake Constance!
 Hraban
 ---
 http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net
 https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)


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