Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

On 17-11-2010 1:59, Martin Schröder wrote:

2010/11/17, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl:

On 16-11-2010 9:41, Peter Münster wrote:

Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
\position macro:


So that is still used? (If so, I should look into optimizing and cleanup
as it's real old code).


Seems like a feature that's nice to have; it mirrors the texpos
package for LaTeX. Please update it.


It does not really mirrors something (so it's not something users expect 
to be there I guess) ... if I remember right I made it for putting 
hyperlinks on specific places as I didn't want to use pictex for that. 
We have layers that provide a better mechanism.


Anyway, it's not that much code so it can stick around (I even see a 
dutch comment so it's real ancient).


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-17 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:16:33 Peter Davis wrote:

 Thanks!  I didn't find much in the ConTeXt reference manual on this.  Is
 there more info somewhere?
 

\position is (will be) fully documented in the updated reference manual. :)

(I was not aware of positioning, either!)
Again, we see that ConTeXt is quite rich,
and our documentation lags far behind.

As to layers, see:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layers

We also have collectors:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Collectors

See also: http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/details.pdf

On Wednesday 17 November 2010 09:25:23 Hans Hagen wrote:
 On 17-11-2010 1:59, Martin Schröder wrote:
  2010/11/17, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl:
  On 16-11-2010 9:41, Peter Münster wrote:
  Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also
  the
  
  \position macro:
  So that is still used? (If so, I should look into optimizing and cleanup
  as it's real old code).
  
  Seems like a feature that's nice to have; it mirrors the texpos
  package for LaTeX. Please update it.
 
 It does not really mirrors something (so it's not something users expect
 to be there I guess) ... if I remember right I made it for putting
 hyperlinks on specific places as I didn't want to use pictex for that.
 We have layers that provide a better mechanism.
 
 Anyway, it's not that much code so it can stick around (I even see a
 dutch comment so it's real ancient).
 
 Hans

Hans,

1. It would be natural to have \startframed\stopframed

2. A collector may be more natural than layers (used as a page background).
(As seen through Force ConTeXt to produce a page with „\page[empty]“ or 
„\dontleavehmode\page“ when you have enough material for one page or when 
you’re at the end of your document.)

Is there any need for some helper macros, or do we simply need a
few good examples?

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

On 17-11-2010 10:21, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

On Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:16:33 Peter Davis wrote:


Thanks!  I didn't find much in the ConTeXt reference manual on this.  Is
there more info somewhere?



\position is (will be) fully documented in the updated reference manual. :)


I upgraded the code a bit and it's now in pack-pos.mkiv.

The \startpositioning macro also accepts an optional settings argument 
now.


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[NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Davis
Is there a way to place a box at some specified x and y position on the
page, and then typeset one or more paragraphs of text into the box?  I guess
I'm thinking of something like LaTeX's minipage, but with the ability to
specify absolute coordinates, rather than just position relative to the
current baseline.

Thank you,

-pd
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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 16.11.2010 um 21:06 schrieb Peter Davis:

 Is there a way to place a box at some specified x and y position on the page, 
 and then typeset one or more paragraphs of text into the box?  I guess I'm 
 thinking of something like LaTeX's minipage, but with the ability to specify 
 absolute coordinates, rather than just position relative to the current 
 baseline.

Use layers (untested):

\definelayer[textbox][width=\paperwidth,height=\paperheight]

\setupbackgrounds[page][background=textbox]

\def\starttextbox
  {\dosingleargument\dostarttextbox}

\def\dostarttextbox[#1]%
  {\def\stoptextbox{\setlayerframed[textbox][#1]{\getbuffer[textbox]}}%
   \startbuffer[textbox][starttextbox][stoptextbox]}

\starttext

\starttextbox[x=2cm,y=4cm,width=8cm,frame=off]
some text ...

more text ...
\stoptextbox

\starttextbox[x=6cm,y=12cm,width=8cm,frame=off]
another example ...
\stoptextbox

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Davis
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Am 16.11.2010 um 21:06 schrieb Peter Davis:

  Is there a way to place a box at some specified x and y position on the
 page, and then typeset one or more paragraphs of text into the box?  I guess
 I'm thinking of something like LaTeX's minipage, but with the ability to
 specify absolute coordinates, rather than just position relative to the
 current baseline.

 Use layers (untested):

 \definelayer[textbox][width=\paperwidth,height=\paperheight]

 \setupbackgrounds[page][background=textbox]

 \def\starttextbox
  {\dosingleargument\dostarttextbox}

 \def\dostarttextbox[#1]%
  {\def\stoptextbox{\setlayerframed[textbox][#1]{\getbuffer[textbox]}}%
   \startbuffer[textbox][starttextbox][stoptextbox]}

 \starttext

 \starttextbox[x=2cm,y=4cm,width=8cm,frame=off]
 some text ...

 more text ...
 \stoptextbox

 \starttextbox[x=6cm,y=12cm,width=8cm,frame=off]
 another example ...
 \stoptextbox

 \stoptext

 Wolfgang



Thanks, Worfgang!  I just tried this.  I don't see any errors, but I don't
see any PDF either.  Here's the log file:


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(C:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/bxml-apa.mkiv)

ConTeXt  ver: 2010.07.30 11:35 MKIV  fmt: 2010.11.9  int: english/english

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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Nov 16 2010, Peter Davis wrote:

 Is there a way to place a box at some specified x and y position on the
 page, and then typeset one or more paragraphs of text into the box?  I guess
 I'm thinking of something like LaTeX's minipage, but with the ability to
 specify absolute coordinates, rather than just position relative to the
 current baseline.

Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
\position macro:

\setupframed[foregroundstyle=\bfc]
\setuppositioning[state=overlay, unit=cm, xoffset=0.5\textwidth,
  yoffset=0.5\textheight]
\starttext
\startpositioning
  \position(0,0){\framed{0,0}}
  \position(-5,-5){\framed{-5,-5}}
  \position(-5,5){\framed{-5,5}}
  \position(5,-5){\framed{5,-5}}
  \position(5,5){\framed{5,5}}
\stoppositioning
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 16.11.2010 um 21:32 schrieb Peter Davis:

 Thanks, Worfgang!  I just tried this.  I don't see any errors, but I don't 
 see any PDF either.

Force ConTeXt to produce a page with „\page[empty]“ or „\dontleavehmode\page“ 
when you have enough material for one page or when you’re at the end of your 
document.

Wolfgang


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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Davis
Thanks again!  Now I get output,  But text isn't getting composed inside
these boxes.  It's just all output on one line.  I tried a couple of
paragraphs, and just saw the the end of one and the beginning of the next
one one line.

Sorry if there's some obvious remedy for this.  I'm still new to ConTeXt.

Thank you.

-pd


On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Am 16.11.2010 um 21:32 schrieb Peter Davis:

  Thanks, Worfgang!  I just tried this.  I don't see any errors, but I
 don't see any PDF either.

 Force ConTeXt to produce a page with „\page[empty]“ or
 „\dontleavehmode\page“ when you have enough material for one page or when
 you’re at the end of your document.

 Wolfgang



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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Davis
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 16 2010, Peter Davis wrote:

  Is there a way to place a box at some specified x and y position on the
  page, and then typeset one or more paragraphs of text into the box?  I
 guess
  I'm thinking of something like LaTeX's minipage, but with the ability to
  specify absolute coordinates, rather than just position relative to the
  current baseline.

 Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
 \position macro:


Thanks!  I didn't find much in the ConTeXt reference manual on this.  Is
there more info somewhere?

Thank you.

-pd
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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 16.11.2010 um 22:12 schrieb Peter Davis:

 Thanks again!  Now I get output,  But text isn't getting composed inside 
 these boxes.  It's just all output on one line.  I tried a couple of 
 paragraphs, and just saw the the end of one and the beginning of the next one 
 one line.
 
 Sorry if there's some obvious remedy for this.  I'm still new to ConTeXt.

Here is a complete working and tested example:

\definelayer[textbox][width=\paperwidth,height=\paperheight]

\setupbackgrounds[page][background=textbox]

\def\starttextbox
   {\dosingleargument\dostarttextbox}

\def\dostarttextbox[#1]%
   
{\def\stoptextbox{\setlayerframed[textbox][width=6cm,align=normal,frame=off,#1]{\getbuffer[textbox]}}%
\startbuffer[textbox][starttextbox][stoptextbox]}

\starttext

\starttextbox[x=2cm,y=4cm]
The Earth, as a habitat for animal life, is in old age and
has a fatal illness. Several, in fact. It would be happening
whether humans had ever evolved or not. But our presence is
like the effect of an old-age patient who smokes many packs
of cigarettes per day – and we humans are the cigarettes.
\stoptextbox

\starttextbox[x=6cm,y=12cm,width=8cm]
Thus, I came to the conclusion that the designer of a new
system must not only be the implementer and first
large-scale user; the designer should also write the first
user manual.

The separation of any of these four components would have
hurt \TeX\ significantly. If I had not participated fully in
all these activities, literally hundreds of improvements
would never have been made, because I would never have
thought of them or perceived why they were important.

But a system cannot be successful if it is too strongly
influenced by a single person. Once the initial design is
complete and fairly robust, the real test begins as people
with many different viewpoints undertake their own
experiments. 
\stoptextbox

\page[empty]

\starttextbox[x=4cm,y=6cm,width=8cm,align={right,nothyphenated},frame=on]
The Earth, as a habitat for animal life, is in old age and
has a fatal illness. Several, in fact. It would be happening
whether humans had ever evolved or not. But our presence is
like the effect of an old-age patient who smokes many packs
of cigarettes per day – and we humans are the cigarettes.
\stoptextbox

\page[empty]

\stoptext

Wolfgang


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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Davis
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Am 16.11.2010 um 22:12 schrieb Peter Davis:

  Thanks again!  Now I get output,  But text isn't getting composed inside
 these boxes.  It's just all output on one line.  I tried a couple of
 paragraphs, and just saw the the end of one and the beginning of the next
 one one line.
 
  Sorry if there's some obvious remedy for this.  I'm still new to ConTeXt.

 Here is a complete working and tested example:



Ah!  Excellent!  Very cool!

Thank you very much.  I really appreciate it.

Best,
-pd
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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Hans Hagen

On 16-11-2010 9:41, Peter Münster wrote:

On Tue, Nov 16 2010, Peter Davis wrote:


Is there a way to place a box at some specified x and y position on the
page, and then typeset one or more paragraphs of text into the box?  I guess
I'm thinking of something like LaTeX's minipage, but with the ability to
specify absolute coordinates, rather than just position relative to the
current baseline.


Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
\position macro:

\setupframed[foregroundstyle=\bfc]
\setuppositioning[state=overlay, unit=cm, xoffset=0.5\textwidth,
   yoffset=0.5\textheight]
\starttext
\startpositioning
   \position(0,0){\framed{0,0}}
   \position(-5,-5){\framed{-5,-5}}
   \position(-5,5){\framed{-5,5}}
   \position(5,-5){\framed{5,-5}}
   \position(5,5){\framed{5,5}}
\stoppositioning
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\stoptext


So that is still used? (If so, I should look into optimizing and cleanup 
as it's real old code).


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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Nov 16 2010, Peter Davis wrote:

  Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
  \position macro:
 
 Thanks!  I didn't find much in the ConTeXt reference manual on this.  Is
 there more info somewhere?

Not much. A bit is in mp-cb-en.pdf
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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/17, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 On 16-11-2010 9:41, Peter Münster wrote:
 Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
 \position macro:

 So that is still used? (If so, I should look into optimizing and cleanup
 as it's real old code).

Seems like a feature that's nice to have; it mirrors the texpos
package for LaTeX. Please update it.

Best
   Martin
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