Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
Dear Gerben or Hans, I have been away on holiday. So I have lost the result of this thread. Have you or Hans solved this problem. If so, do I need to upgrade i-tetex or ConTeXt or both. I would really like to solve this problem and get back to standard ConTeXt fonts. TIA > From: Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 00:05 07/08/2003 +0200, Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> Yes, this could be. If texexec or any ConTeXt tool does not use texmf.cnf >> values but has hardcoded ideas about where to find stuff (texmf), then the >> rearranging of the texmf directories could have an influence. Hans can >> probably say if this is possibly the case. After all, the rearranging had >> no ill effects whatsoever on TeX or LaTeX, because where files are is >> governed by texmf.cnf and that was adapted as well to reflect the changed >> situation. If there is hardcoded stuff in texexec that is playing a role >> (I am guessing here), making it dynamic by calls to kpsewhich is a good >> solution. >> >> For the rest, the content of texmf.tetex is created by Thomas Esser, not >> me. And there you will find not a complete set of URW but an Adobe set and >> thatis what the discussion is also about. hans is right in stating that. > > context can happily work in the texmf tree and does depemnd on its own > trees; with regards to texfont: > > - it will install in either texmf-fonts or texmf-local, depending on what > is present; the reason for having texmf-fonts is that we need a place for > commercial fonts (and texmf-local is for my updates, local stuff etc) > > - texfonts uses prefixed names (texnansi-* and alike) for several reasons: > (1) when i buy a font, i wan tto copy the fonts to some temp path, call > texfont, and have the job done; i don't want to mess around with 8 char > names that may conflict is i do something wrong; > > - another reason for texfonts naming sheme of 'third party fonts' is that > when one starts slanting fonts (and alike) the kb naming sheme does not > keep track of what slant is used, which in principle will lead to conflicts > if one has multiple instances (wherever they may come from) > > - for the same reason i keep separate map files for those third part > collections > > - with regards to the fonts on tex live the confusion comes from the mix of > adobe names and urw type ones. So far whatever i made default, failed on > someones system, which is why we have now type-akb for the mixed users > > - also: context font mechanism is set up in a way that makes it possible to > combine fonts with minimal calls (once understood -), supporting relative > scaling and alike; i don't want user sto be dependent on one (few) persons > to define / install / use fonts. > >> If that is the case, texfont is a problem because it hard codes locations >> where texmf.cnf is the source for locations and kpsewhich is the way to >> find out about them. > > afaik it uses kpsewhich an-r env vars and one can set things on the command > line as well; there is not so much hard coded in there -) > > Hans -- Nigel ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
At 00:05 07/08/2003 +0200, Gerben Wierda wrote: Yes, this could be. If texexec or any ConTeXt tool does not use texmf.cnf values but has hardcoded ideas about where to find stuff (texmf), then the rearranging of the texmf directories could have an influence. Hans can probably say if this is possibly the case. After all, the rearranging had no ill effects whatsoever on TeX or LaTeX, because where files are is governed by texmf.cnf and that was adapted as well to reflect the changed situation. If there is hardcoded stuff in texexec that is playing a role (I am guessing here), making it dynamic by calls to kpsewhich is a good solution. For the rest, the content of texmf.tetex is created by Thomas Esser, not me. And there you will find not a complete set of URW but an Adobe set and thatis what the discussion is also about. hans is right in stating that. context can happily work in the texmf tree and does depemnd on its own trees; with regards to texfont: - it will install in either texmf-fonts or texmf-local, depending on what is present; the reason for having texmf-fonts is that we need a place for commercial fonts (and texmf-local is for my updates, local stuff etc) - texfonts uses prefixed names (texnansi-* and alike) for several reasons: (1) when i buy a font, i wan tto copy the fonts to some temp path, call texfont, and have the job done; i don't want to mess around with 8 char names that may conflict is i do something wrong; - another reason for texfonts naming sheme of 'third party fonts' is that when one starts slanting fonts (and alike) the kb naming sheme does not keep track of what slant is used, which in principle will lead to conflicts if one has multiple instances (wherever they may come from) - for the same reason i keep separate map files for those third part collections - with regards to the fonts on tex live the confusion comes from the mix of adobe names and urw type ones. So far whatever i made default, failed on someones system, which is why we have now type-akb for the mixed users - also: context font mechanism is set up in a way that makes it possible to combine fonts with minimal calls (once understood -), supporting relative scaling and alike; i don't want user sto be dependent on one (few) persons to define / install / use fonts. If that is the case, texfont is a problem because it hard codes locations where texmf.cnf is the source for locations and kpsewhich is the way to find out about them. afaik it uses kpsewhich an-r env vars and one can set things on the command line as well; there is not so much hard coded in there -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com - information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
I am out of my depth here, because you are using linux. But here goes a shot. I think there is a file, texmf.cnf, where you can set stuff, one thing being the order in which tex searches paths. I think you want to set it to the current directory, then a local tex directory (like texmf-local), then the normal tex tree. I believe you'll find this mentioned both in the manual for Fonts in Context and the Texfont manual. It's best to make personal adaptions in the tree texmf-local, as these changes won't get overwritten when you install new releases of tex. Make sure your directories are writable? Could that be the problem you are experiencing in your description? Also, instead of texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --so=auto try being more specific, say with texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --fontroot=/tex/texmf-local --so= (put the absolute path to your source files here) --makepath --install I am just guessing at things here. I probably won't be of much help because I have a windows installation. Good luck. > Gerben, > Apologies for posting any confusion. > > 1. The only package fink in use is the tetex placeholder system-tetex I > did previously have fink tetex but now only have i-Installer tetex > almost latest. > > 2. The texroot report no longer occurs presumably I have cleaned up my > installation further. The command now aborts simply with the subpath > message. > > texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --fontroot=/tex/texmf-local --so=auto > > TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) > > processing aborted : unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/courier > > --help : show some more info > > Locate gives the following list suggesting that texfont is not looking > at /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex for fonts > > locate /fonts/afm/urw/courier > /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier > /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrb8a.afm > /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrbo8a.afm > /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrr8a.afm > /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrro8a.afm > > Texfont help suggest that I should use the following command but the > same unknown subpath is returned. > texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --fontroot=/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex > --co=courier --so=auto > > In the file > /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/context/config/texexec.ini > There is a line which seems very odd and PC like > set TeXFontsPath to l:/tex/texmf;l:/tex/texmf-local; > > I have commented out this line and set TeXFontsPath to other more likely > values like texmf, texmf.tetex all do not effect the unknown subpath. > > I'm now beyond the end of my knowledge. > -- > Nigel > > > ___ > ntg-context mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
At 17:31 07/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: It's best to make personal adaptions in the tree texmf-local, as these changes won't get overwritten when you install new releases of tex. here i use a font tree "tex/texmf-fonts" Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com - information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
Gerben, Apologies for posting any confusion. 1. The only package fink in use is the tetex placeholder system-tetex I did previously have fink tetex but now only have i-Installer tetex almost latest. 2. The texroot report no longer occurs presumably I have cleaned up my installation further. The command now aborts simply with the subpath message. texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --so=auto TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) processing aborted : unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/courier --help : show some more info Locate gives the following list suggesting that texfont is not looking at /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex for fonts locate /fonts/afm/urw/courier /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrb8a.afm /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrbo8a.afm /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrr8a.afm /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrro8a.afm Texfont help suggest that I should use the following command but the same unknown subpath is returned. texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --fontroot=/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex --co=courier --so=auto In the file /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/context/config/texexec.ini There is a line which seems very odd and PC like set TeXFontsPath to l:/tex/texmf;l:/tex/texmf-local; I have commented out this line and set TeXFontsPath to other more likely values like texmf, texmf.tetex all do not effect the unknown subpath. I'm now beyond the end of my knowledge. -- Nigel ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
Hi, I am posting this message I posted to the 'OS X TeX' group earlier this year relating to the same issue that Mathew is raising. I had no luck then but am hoping for more success now there are two of us. Hans says 'this is under discussion now with thomas/staszek/etc: has to do with urw metrics not being in tetex by default (they are on tex live)' However, Gerben's i-Installer installs them here in a different location than normal. (I think these are the only pair of files that are necessary for utmb8a to work.) /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/times/utmb8a.afm /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/type1/urw/times/utmb8a.pfb I believe that the problem is merely with texroot as I state below. Further evidence for this is that it nearly all worked before Gerben rearranged the directories. Earlier message... Hi, Some of my previous font problems here were due to not enabling all of the font map file in the final configuration of the install. I think someone else had the same problem. Adobekb.tex is now helping me well, however I am finding it necessary still to run with the Context font system for some documents for the moment, and for this texfont has to run to create the various font files. Running the single command texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --so=auto Should work but returns processing aborted : unknown tex root /sw/share/texmf/ Clearly texroot is set incorrectly so forcing that texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --so=auto --fontroot=/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ Should work but returns processing aborted : unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/courier And yet /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrb8a.afm Exists This process worked in the v2 version of the i-installer indeed still works when reinstalled. I am presuming that the new problem is because of the texmf.tetex that the texfont perl script is now not able to understand. Perl is beyond my small brain! Any help much appreciated -- Nigel ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
On Wednesday, Aug 6, 2003, at 22:21 Europe/Amsterdam, Nigel King wrote: Hi, I am posting this message I posted to the 'OS X TeX' group earlier this year relating to the same issue that Mathew is raising. I had no luck then but am hoping for more success now there are two of us. Hans says 'this is under discussion now with thomas/staszek/etc: has to do with urw metrics not being in tetex by default (they are on tex live)' However, Gerben's i-Installer installs them here in a different location than normal. (I think these are the only pair of files that are necessary for utmb8a to work.) /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/times/utmb8a.afm /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/type1/urw/times/utmb8a.pfb I believe that the problem is merely with texroot as I state below. Further evidence for this is that it nearly all worked before Gerben rearranged the directories. Yes, this could be. If texexec or any ConTeXt tool does not use texmf.cnf values but has hardcoded ideas about where to find stuff (texmf), then the rearranging of the texmf directories could have an influence. Hans can probably say if this is possibly the case. After all, the rearranging had no ill effects whatsoever on TeX or LaTeX, because where files are is governed by texmf.cnf and that was adapted as well to reflect the changed situation. If there is hardcoded stuff in texexec that is playing a role (I am guessing here), making it dynamic by calls to kpsewhich is a good solution. For the rest, the content of texmf.tetex is created by Thomas Esser, not me. And there you will find not a complete set of URW but an Adobe set and thatis what the discussion is also about. hans is right in stating that. Earlier message... Hi, Some of my previous font problems here were due to not enabling all of the font map file in the final configuration of the install. I think someone else had the same problem. Adobekb.tex is now helping me well, however I am finding it necessary still to run with the Context font system for some documents for the moment, and for this texfont has to run to create the various font files. Running the single command texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --so=auto Should work but returns processing aborted : unknown tex root /sw/share/texmf/ Well, for one thing, this seems to indicate that you also are using a Fink-installed TeX and that may also complicate matters. Fink forces itself at the beginning of your PATH and will therefore be found before my distribution whjen called from the command line. Clearly texroot is set incorrectly so forcing that texfont --en=8r --ve=urw --co=courier --so=auto --fontroot=/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ Should work but returns processing aborted : unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/courier If you are calling Fink's TeX and using my texmf trees, it is not clear that this would work. And yet /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/afm/urw/courier/ucrb8a.afm Exists This process worked in the v2 version of the i-installer indeed still works when reinstalled. v2 has nothing to do with TeX but only with the i-Installer major release which has been around for, what, 3/4 of a year or so? I am presuming that the new problem is because of the texmf.tetex that the texfont perl script is now not able to understand. Perl is beyond my small brain! If that is the case, texfont is a problem because it hard codes locations where texmf.cnf is the source for locations and kpsewhich is the way to find out about them. G -- "To be or not to be, that is the question" -- Parmenides ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
At 14:37 03/08/2003 +0900, Matthew Huggett wrote: Hi: When I run texfont as follows: texfont --en=texnansi --fontroot=/usr/share/texmf/fonts /usr/share/context/data/type-tmf.dat texfont reports "unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/[font name]" for each font listed in type-tmf.dat. Where should the fonts be found? this is under discussion now with thomas/staszek/etc: has to do with urw metrics not being in tetex by default (they are on tex live) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com - information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
Matt, I just read somewhere that this batch compile won't work unless the source and destination are the same. Aha! I found where I read this: http://www.pragma-ade.com:8080/context/Members/guravage/myways/TexfontExamin ed.pdf At 02:37 PM 8/3/03 +0900, you wrote: >Hi: > >When I run texfont as follows: >texfont --en=texnansi --fontroot=/usr/share/texmf/fonts >/usr/share/context/data/type-tmf.dat > >texfont reports "unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/[font name]" for each >font listed in type-tmf.dat. Where should the fonts be found? > >Thanks, > >Matt > > > >___ >ntg-context mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] texfont and type-tmf.dat
Hi: When I run texfont as follows: texfont --en=texnansi --fontroot=/usr/share/texmf/fonts /usr/share/context/data/type-tmf.dat texfont reports "unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/[font name]" for each font listed in type-tmf.dat. Where should the fonts be found? Thanks, Matt ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
