[NTG-context] Wiki in Mobile(?) format

[Gerion Entrup]

Hi,

since a few weeks I have the problem that I get the mobile(?) view for the 
wiki, when I open a "wiki.contextgarden.net" link.
However, the mobile view is not feature complete (colors and renderings are 
missing).

This only happens in Qutebrowser (maybe it sets a header wrong).
Since the mobile view seems to be incomplete, is it possible to deactivate it 
completely?
This is fixed when I open a www.contextgarden.net link.

As a comparison:

Open https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupframed
in Qutebrowser: wiki-setupframed-qutebrowser.png

Open https://www.contextgarden.net/Command/setupframed
in Qutebrowser: www-setupframed-qutebrowser.png

(Note: The pictures are really small to not exceed the MLs size limit.)

These are my headers for the request:
```
GET /Command/setupframed HTTP/1.1
Accept: 
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8,application/signed-exchange;v=b3;q=0.7
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, br
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.9
Cache-Control: no-cache
Connection: keep-alive
Cookie: mf_useformat=true
DNT: 1
Host: wiki.contextgarden.net
Pragma: no-cache
Sec-Fetch-Dest: document
Sec-Fetch-Mode: navigate
Sec-Fetch-Site: none
Sec-Fetch-User: ?1
Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like 
Gecko) QtWebEngine/6.7.2 Chrome/118.0.5993.220 Safari/537.36
sec-ch-ua: "Not=A?Brand";v="99", "Chromium";v="118"
sec-ch-ua-mobile: ?0
sec-ch-ua-platform: "Linux"
```

The same request in Firefox:
```
GET /Command/setupframed HTTP/1.1
Host: wiki.contextgarden.net
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/128.0
Accept: 
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,image/png,image/svg+xml,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8,en-US;q=0.5,en;q=0.3
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, br, zstd
DNT: 1
Sec-GPC: 1
Connection: keep-alive
Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
Sec-Fetch-Dest: document
Sec-Fetch-Mode: navigate
Sec-Fetch-Site: cross-site
If-Modified-Since: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 16:02:37 GMT
Priority: u=0, i
```

Can you reproduce the problem?

Best
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[NTG-context] wiki Command/MPdrawingdonetrue => NO COMMAND FOUND

[garulfo]

Is there something to do to make the wiki aware of the existence of 
\MPdrawingdonetrue ?

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Command/MPdrawingdonetrue&action=edit&redlink=1
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[NTG-context] Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation

[garulfo]

Hi all,

I just discover the Diátaxis documentation framework :
- https://www.diataxis.fr/
- 30min video : "What nobody tells you about documentation", 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vKPhjcMZg  , from Daniele Procida at PyCon 
2017

As I understand it, it can help both readers and writers of the documentation 
by clarifying the purpose of each element.

So I started a potential new "welcome page" :  
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page2

The main lines would be :
- Tutorials: installation pages, step by step examples
- How-to guides: most of the existing wiki pages which are not 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands/ ...
- Discussions and manuals: most of the existing manuals
- Reference : the pages dedicated to commands which already include link to 
mailing list, stack exchange, ConTeXt's source
  - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Commands
  - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Command%2F

To match the logic of Diátaxis, maybe some material from command pages should 
be moved from "Reference" to "How-to guides",
for example, when the examples go beyond "pure description" and begin to deal 
with "how-to" cases, e.g. :
- Reference for setuphead: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead
- How-to guides for headings: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles

If it make sense, and according to your feedbacks, I can continue to reallocate 
existing contents.

Thanks for your feedback and thoughts.
Garulfo
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[NTG-context] Wiki - question about Command/ pages which start with a space character

[garulfo]

Hi all,

Is it on purpose that 128 pages "https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/ 
" start with a space character ?
I didn't find an explanation in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command

For example, these two pages exist :
- https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startbuffer
- https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_startbuffer

If it is on purpose: 
- What is the purpose, and which page should contain which documentation?

If it is not: 
- Is there a way to automatically merge the content of the couple of pages, and 
to remove the "wrong" pages, or should it be done manually ?

Thanks for your help.

List :
Command/ attachment
Command/ background
Command/ bar
Command/ beginblock
Command/ button
Command/ characterkerning
Command/ comment
Command/ completecombinedlist
Command/ completelistoffloats
Command/ completelistofsorts
Command/ completelistofsynonyms
Command/ completeregister
Command/ copylabeltext
Command/ ctxfunction
Command/ ctxfunctiondefinition
Command/ currentlabel
Command/ delimitedtext
Command/ description
Command/ enumeration
Command/ fence
Command/ fraction
Command/ framed
Command/ framedtext
Command/ getbuffer
Command/ hbox
Command/ help
Command/ high
Command/ highlight
Command/ label
Command/ labellanguage
Command/ labeltext
Command/ labeltexts
Command/ language
Command/ leftlabeltext
Command/ linenote
Command/ low
Command/ lowhigh
Command/ lowmidhigh
Command/ margindata
Command/ mathcommand
Command/ mathdoubleextensible
Command/ mathextensible
Command/ mathframed
Command/ mathmatrix
Command/ mathornament
Command/ mathoverextensible
Command/ mathovertextextensible
Command/ mathradical
Command/ mathtriplet
Command/ mathunderextensible
Command/ mathundertextextensible
Command/ mathunstacked
Command/ nextparagraphs
Command/ note
Command/ ornament
Command/ paragraphs
Command/ placecombinedlist
Command/ placefloat
Command/ placelistoffloats
Command/ placelistofsorts
Command/ placelistofsynonyms
Command/ placement
Command/ placepairedbox
Command/ placeregister
Command/ presetlabeltext
Command/ referenceformat
Command/ register
Command/ rightlabeltext
Command/ script
Command/ section
Command/ seeregister
Command/ setupcombinedlist
Command/ setupitemgroup
Command/ setuplabeltext
Command/ setuppairedbox
Command/ setupregister
Command/ shift
Command/ sorting
Command/ startattachment
Command/ startbackground
Command/ startbuffer
Command/ startcolumnset
Command/ startcomment
Command/ startdelimitedtext
Command/ startdescription
Command/ starteffect
Command/ startenumeration
Command/ startfittingpage
Command/ startfloattext
Command/ startformula
Command/ startframedtext
Command/ starthelp
Command/ startindentedtext
Command/ startitemgroup
Command/ startlabeltext
Command/ startlinenote
Command/ startlines
Command/ startmakeup
Command/ startmathalignment
Command/ startmathcases
Command/ startmathmatrix
Command/ startmixedcolumns
Command/ startnarrower
Command/ startnote
Command/ startpagecolumns
Command/ startparagraphs
Command/ startparallel
Command/ startplacefloat
Command/ startplacepairedbox
Command/ startsection
Command/ startsectionblock
Command/ startstartstop
Command/ startstop
Command/ startstyle
Command/ starttabulate
Command/ starttextbackground
Command/ starttyping
Command/ startviewerlayer
Command/ startxtable
Command/ stoplinenote
Command/ style
Command/ synonym
Command/ textbackground
Command/ textnote
Command/ tooltip
Command/ type
Command/ typebuffer
Command/ unit
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[NTG-context] Wiki page : Mixed languages sample (French, Ancient Greek, Arabic, Chinese)

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

Dear List,

Several years ago I tried to write documents, mainly lectures, but also 
essays, in which I tried to make several languages (Romance and 
non-Romance) coexist.
Here below is an example of an attempt to compose an acceptable 
document, in the form of an exercise in which Arabic and Chinese are 
introduced into a document written in French. With footnotes and a few 
framed lines.


I submit this example for your perusal and ask you whether it could 
possibly appear on a wiki page devoted to the combination of 
non-European languages in the same text. In English translation, of course.


%We are giving below an example of a text written in a Latin language, 
in which we want to print here and there some text in ancient Greek, 
Arabic and Chinese.


\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr,agr}]

\mainlanguage[fr]

\setuplayout [backspace=40mm]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided, location={header, inmargin}]

\setupmargindata[inmargin][location=inner, 
style={\ssx\setupinterlinespace[line=2.8ex]}]


\setupmarginframed[inmargin][align=right]

\setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]

% Use Theano Didot as Ancient Greek font

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][serif][Theano Didot][preset=range:greek, 
it={Old Standard Italic}, force=yes]


% Choose between Ipaexmincho font and NotoSansTC (Traditional Chinese)

%\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [rm] [ipaexmincho] 
[range=cjkunifiedideographs]


\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [rm] [notosanstc] 
[range=cjkunifiedideographs]


% Choose between two Arabic fonts

%\definefallbackfamily[mainface] [serif] [nafeesnastaleeq] [range=arabic]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface] [serif] [hussaininastaleeq] [range=arabic]

\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [GaramondNo8][sc=NewG8 Regular SC]

\definefontfamily [mainface] [sans] [FreeSans] [rscale=0.7]

\definefontfamily[mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot]

\setupbodyfont[mainface]

\setupindenting[1.5em]

\setupindenting[yes]

\setupcolors[state=start]


\defineframedtext

[MyFrame]

[before={\blank},

after={\blank},

frame=off,

background=MyFrame,

%width=\textwidth,

width=max,

height=fit,

style=italic]


\definelabel

[Définition]

[headstyle=\bf\smallcaps]


\startuseMPgraphic{MyFrame}

path b;

picture p;

%p := textext.rt("\white\Définition");

p := textext.rt("\white\framedtextparameter{Title}");

%p := textext.rt("\white\getvariable{text}{text1}");

p := p shifted (2BodyFontSize,OverlayHeight-ypart center p+.25ExHeight);

b := boundingbox p leftenlarged .5EmWidth rightenlarged .5EmWidth;

fill OverlayBox withcolor lightgray; %\MPcolor{

fill b withcolor darkred;

draw bottomboundary OverlayBox withpen pencircle scaled 1pt withcolor

darkred;

draw topboundary OverlayBox withpen pencircle scaled 1pt withcolor

darkred;

draw p;

setbounds currentpicture to boundingbox currentpicture enlarged 2mm;

\stopuseMPgraphic


\defineoverlay

[MyFrame]

[\useMPgraphic{MyFrame}]



\setupwhitespace[medium]

\setupinterlinespace[line=3.2ex]


\setupitemize[each][margin=yes]


\setuphead[title][header=empty]


\setupheader[style={\sc}]

\setupfooter[style={\itxx}]

\setupheadertexts[Utilisation de plusieurs langues dans un même texte 
avec \ConTeXt][][][{\getmarking[section]}]


\setupfootertexts[][][][© J.-P. Delange, 2016 — La reproduction de ce 
texte est soumise à autorisation.]


\defineparagraphs[TwoColumns][n=2, align={hz, hanging}]

\setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][1][width=210pt, style=rm, align=left]

\starttext

\title{\ConTeXt, ou comment imprimer des langues non-romanes}

\section {\sc Préambule}


Lorsqu'il s'agit de proposer un document dans une langue nationale (le 
français), tout va bien. Lorsqu'il s'agit de rédiger en français un 
document un peu complexe, avec des citations — ou des références — dans 
une autre langue, qui en particulier n'a pas les mêmes exigences que le 
français, ni les mêmes {\em signes diacritiques} on se heurte à quelques 
difficultés. Les suites logicielles comme Microsoft Office ou 
LibreOffice ne manquent pas de puissance, mais à vrai dire, dès que nous 
entrons dans les exigences de l'édition professionnelle, qui consistent 
à présenter un texte lisible et enrichi (en notes, etc.), la situation 
devient vite techniquement assez pénible. La situation la plus courante 
que nous rencontrons dans les Lettres, en Philosophie, en Histoire, et 
plus généralement dans les Humanités, est celle d'un texte dans lequel 
il y a des citations d'auteurs grecs ou latin, avec des références en 
notes de bas de page, qui contiennent du grec. Cela pourrait être 
quelque chose comme ceci :


\blank\startnarrower[1*left,1*right]\tfx\setupinterlinespace

\noindent \quotation{Ἔφη γάρ οἱ Σωκράτη ἐντυχεῖν λελουμένον τε καὶ τὰς 
βλαύτας ὑποδεδεμένον, ἃ ἐκεῖνος ὀλιγάκις ἐποίει· καὶ ἐρέσθαι αὐτὸν ὅποι 
ἴοι οὕτω καλὸς γεγενημένος. καὶ τὸν εἰπεῖν ὅτι· Ἐπὶ δεῖπνον εἰς 
Ἀγάθωνος. χθὲς γὰρ αὐτὸν διέφυγον τοῖς ἐπινικίοις, φοβηθεὶς τὸν ὄχλον· 
ὡμολόγησα δ᾽ εἰς τήμερον παρέσεσθαι. ταῦτα δὴ ἐκαλλωπισάμην, ἵνα κα

[NTG-context] Wiki update

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,

I just updated the wiki ConTeXt to 20240108. 

The  tag on the wiki by default uses luametatex (LMTX), but if you 
want luatex instead (MKIV), you can still do that by using .

There have been some problems recently because Hans’ new binaries needed a 
newer version of various system libraries. 

I fixed that this morning after Hraban spotted the issue, but it means that 
there may be wiki pages with ConTeXt processing errors in them now. These can 
be recognised by either the colorised “error” output, or some cryptic “copy 
failed” message instead of the actual output.

If you see one of those pages, Edit it. For the  colorised “error” output you 
need to make a tiny change to the example itself (because that “error” output 
is correct as far as the wiki software can tell, so you have to force it to 
regenerate). For the “copy failed” case, you just have to start an edit and 
then immediately save again. The wiki will autogenerate any missing examples on 
save.

Best wishes,
Taco

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[NTG-context] Wiki problem - labels missing from the main diagram on the Page Layout page

[Bruce Horrocks]

When I go to the page layout page on the Contextgarden wiki

  

the "typesetting areas" diagram is missing its text labels. If I click on the 
diagram the Wiki takes me to the underlying layout.svg file and then I /do/ see 
the labels.

This happens in both Safari and Firefox.

Any suggestions as to what needs to be changed to get the diagram to display 
correctly?

—
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Hampshire, UK

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[NTG-context] wiki update: Modules

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

I updated the list of included modules in 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules and tried to understand what each 
does.


If you know matrices, could you perhaps update the page 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Matrix_in_maths to include the matrix 
module and the latest enhancements?


Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki Down?

[Keith McKay via ntg-context]

All good now Taco.

Thanks for the advice.

Keith McKay

On 16/06/2023 12:33, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Hi Keith,


On 16 Jun 2023, at 13:04, Keith McKay via ntg-context  
wrote:

I am getting "safari can't find server"  for the wiki so I checked on 
isitdownrightnow.com and it confirms it is down.

Must have been some transport issue. The server is up and has not been down 
today at all. If it keeps appearing to be down, try a traceroute tool to see 
where the problem is, e.g. https://ping.eu/traceroute/

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki Down?

[Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context]

Hi Keith,

> On 16 Jun 2023, at 13:04, Keith McKay via ntg-context  
> wrote:
> 
> I am getting "safari can't find server"  for the wiki so I checked on 
> isitdownrightnow.com and it confirms it is down.

Must have been some transport issue. The server is up and has not been down 
today at all. If it keeps appearing to be down, try a traceroute tool to see 
where the problem is, e.g. https://ping.eu/traceroute/

Best wishes,
Taco

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[NTG-context] Wiki Down?

[Keith McKay via ntg-context]

I am getting "safari can't find server"  for the wiki so I checked on 
isitdownrightnow.com and it confirms it is down.


Best Wishes

Keith McKay

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki update: create a .vsix extension package for VisualStudio Code (or VSCodium)

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 5/5/2022 12:01 PM, mf via ntg-context wrote:


https://wiki.contextgarden.net/VSCode

Thanks!

Hans

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[NTG-context] Wiki update: create a .vsix extension package for VisualStudio Code (or VSCodium)

[mf via ntg-context]

Hello list,

I just added some instructions to the WIKI to build an extension file 
for VSCode, starting from the code you find in the LMTX installation at


tex/texmf-context/context/data/vscode/extensions/context

You find them at

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/VSCode

Massi
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki: new commands not automatically available for autogenerated syntax (was LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph)

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/13/2022 6:22 AM, denis.ma...@unibe.ch wrote:

Hi, I wanted to wikify a new command, but I don't fully understand what to do...


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Hans Hagen 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Januar 2022 00:25
An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) ; ntg-
cont...@ntg.nl
Cc: oi...@gmx.es
Betreff: Re: AW: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph


[...]


i'll add this (only a few line addition with no performance hit):

 \definealign[MyAlign][r2l,flushleft]

so that you can do

 \setupalign[MyAlign]

and you can also use it as value to the align parameter as well ...
the usual 'context abstraction'

so again something to wikify ...


Wanted to wikify, but is this already implemented?

sure


Ok, so then: Why will creating a page \definealign not create a page with 
autogenerated syntax? And, the new option for \setupalign does not show up in 
the autogenerated syntax overview at 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign

I probably don't fully understand how the wiki works in these regards .. can 
anyone clarify?
when there is a new key or option, wolfgang at some point will add it to 
the setups so then it will show up (goes in batches); that is 
indepdendent from examples; so when a new key/value is missing, just 
signal wolfgang


Hans


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[NTG-context] Wiki: new commands not automatically available for autogenerated syntax (was LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph)

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

Hi, I wanted to wikify a new command, but I don't fully understand what to do...

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Hans Hagen 
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Januar 2022 00:25
> An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) ; ntg-
> cont...@ntg.nl
> Cc: oi...@gmx.es
> Betreff: Re: AW: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
> 
[...]
> >>
> >> i'll add this (only a few line addition with no performance hit):
> >>
> >> \definealign[MyAlign][r2l,flushleft]
> >>
> >> so that you can do
> >>
> >> \setupalign[MyAlign]
> >>
> >> and you can also use it as value to the align parameter as well ...
> >> the usual 'context abstraction'
> >>
> >> so again something to wikify ...
> >
> > Wanted to wikify, but is this already implemented?
> sure

Ok, so then: Why will creating a page \definealign not create a page with 
autogenerated syntax? And, the new option for \setupalign does not show up in 
the autogenerated syntax overview at 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign

I probably don't fully understand how the wiki works in these regards .. can 
anyone clarify?

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki New Extension: ConTeXtXML

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Hi again,

Just now, I installed and update of the extension that replaces the default 
edit form  for Command pages by a dedicated form. This should make editing a 
lot easier, since there is no longer any visible XML code to confuse you.

Best wishes,
Taco

> On 20 Aug 2020, at 14:04, Taco Hoekwater  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As announced last week, I have been working on a wiki extension to control 
> the editing of /Command pages. That extension is now installed on the main 
> wiki.
> 
> In short, we will switch to XML as the page model for newly created /Command 
> pages. This makes editing a bit harder, but it allows much better quality 
> control and (fairly) easy export and import.
> 
> The goal is to eventually be able to easily export all of the reference 
> documentation in the wiki to a separate system (for instance, Paul Mazaitis 
> plans to create a full-blown reference manual). In the current situation, 
> this is nearly impossible because there is so much variation in the content 
> and quality of the wiki /Command pages (not to mention that many are 
> missing). We also want it to be possible to merge improvements to the 
> interface xml definitions by Wolfgang without loosing any existing 
> documentation work.
> 
> The documentation pages are here:
> 
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Help:Command
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Extension:ConTeXtXML
> 
> After reading those, have a look at the three ‘work pages’:
> 
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Document_level_commands_work_page
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Style_level_commands_work_page
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_level_commands_work_page 
> 
> All the bright red links are currently undocumented commands. Clicking on one 
> should bring you to the edit screen automatically, with a blob of XML 
> preloaded, ready for you to start writing.
> 
> All the dark red links are existing /Command pages. All of those are 
> traditional wiki text pages. Following those links will bring you to a normal 
> /Command page just like on the main wiki. If you want to see how one of those 
> pages would look like in the new system, you’ll have to rename the existing 
> page first (as explained in 
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command#Pre-existing_pages ) 
> 
> If you do some work, please update those work pages!
> 
> 
> Comments, suggestions and bug reports are more than welcome. 
> 
> Please direct those to me personally or (better) to the wiki mailing list:
> 
>   https://lists.contextgarden.net/mailman/listinfo/wiki
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Taco
> 
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[NTG-context] Wiki New Extension: ConTeXtXML

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

As announced last week, I have been working on a wiki extension to control the 
editing of /Command pages. That extension is now installed on the main wiki.

In short, we will switch to XML as the page model for newly created /Command 
pages. This makes editing a bit harder, but it allows much better quality 
control and (fairly) easy export and import.

The goal is to eventually be able to easily export all of the reference 
documentation in the wiki to a separate system (for instance, Paul Mazaitis 
plans to create a full-blown reference manual). In the current situation, this 
is nearly impossible because there is so much variation in the content and 
quality of the wiki /Command pages (not to mention that many are missing). We 
also want it to be possible to merge improvements to the interface xml 
definitions by Wolfgang without loosing any existing documentation work.

The documentation pages are here:

   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command
   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Help:Command
   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Extension:ConTeXtXML

After reading those, have a look at the three ‘work pages’:

   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Document_level_commands_work_page
   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Style_level_commands_work_page
   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_level_commands_work_page 

All the bright red links are currently undocumented commands. Clicking on one 
should bring you to the edit screen automatically, with a blob of XML 
preloaded, ready for you to start writing.

All the dark red links are existing /Command pages. All of those are 
traditional wiki text pages. Following those links will bring you to a normal 
/Command page just like on the main wiki. If you want to see how one of those 
pages would look like in the new system, you’ll have to rename the existing 
page first (as explained in 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command#Pre-existing_pages ) 

If you do some work, please update those work pages!


Comments, suggestions and bug reports are more than welcome. 

Please direct those to me personally or (better) to the wiki mailing list:

https://lists.contextgarden.net/mailman/listinfo/wiki

Have fun!

Taco


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[NTG-context] Wiki New Extension Preview

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Some of you already know that I have been working on a wiki extension to 
control the editing of /Command pages.

The goal is to eventually be able to easily export all of the reference 
documentation in the wiki to a separate system (for instance, Paul Mazaitis 
plans to create a full-blown reference manual). In the current situation, this 
is nearly impossible because there is so much variation in the content and 
quality of the wiki /Command pages (not to mention that many are missing). We 
also want it to be possible to merge improvements to the interface xml 
definitions by Wolfgang without loosing any existing documentation work.

After some evenings and weekends of steady discussion with Paul, Wolfgang and 
some others on the wiki mailing list and a fair bit of hacking, this plan is 
now starting to come together. In short, we will switch to XML as the page 
model for newly created /Command pages. This makes editing a bit harder, but it 
allows much better quality control and (fairly) easy export and import.

The new extension is not installed on the normal wiki yet, because it makes 
sense to see if we can get some of the bugs ironed out before we start working 
on actual /Command pages. It is my first ever Wiki extension and even my first 
non-trivial php code, thus I am certain there will be bugs. So, while the 
documentation pages are already on the normal wiki, any testing and/or 
experimenting has to be done on the test wiki.

The documentation pages are here:

  https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command
  https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Help:Command
  https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Extension:ConTeXtXML

and there is a small todo list here:

  https://wiki.contextgarden.net/User_talk:Taco

For playing around / experimenting / testing, have fun at

  https://wikitest.contextgarden.net/

(but read at least Help:Command first!)

A useful landing page on the test wiki to start playing around is:

  https://wikitest.contextgarden.net/Allcommands

which is a list of all the commands that are included in Wolfgang’s interface 
xml (and thus available to be documented using the new wiki extension). 

All the bright red links are currently undocumented commands. Clicking on one 
should bring you to the edit screen automatically, with a blob of XML 
preloaded, ready for you to start writing.

All the dark red links are existing /Command pages. Almost all of those are 
traditional wiki text pagse. Following those links will bring you to a normal 
/Command page just like on the main wiki. If you want to see how one of those 
pages would look like in the new system, you’ll have to rename the existing 
page first. 

Be assured that nothing on the wikitest is permanent! As long as the browser 
url says “ https://wikitest.contextgarden.net/ ” you cannot destroy anything 
important. But don’t spend hours improving existing pages yet, this preview is 
intended for catching bugs in the extension only.

Comments, Suggestions and Bug reports are more than welcome. 

Please direct those to me personally or (better) to the wiki mailing list:

https://lists.contextgarden.net/mailman/listinfo/wiki

Have fun!

Taco


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki ConText Installation updated

[Garulfo]

Great ! Many thanks.

Le 01/07/2020 à 17:57, Taco Hoekwater a écrit :

Hi all,

Today I updated the ConText behind wiki.contextgarden.net, 
live.contextgarden.net and source.contextgarden.net to the current latest: 
2020.06.30 17:30.

* The wiki’s  tag now defaults to “lmtx” mode, and you can switch back 
to “mkiv“ using the  “mode” attribute. The “mkii” mode is no longer working.
* The wiki’s  now supports the latest ConText as well, and I added 
support for all the “system-level” commands. Also the colors have changed a little 
and generated commands now have a link back to generating command.

* the live website always run lmtx.

* the source website’s software has been improved a little as well; I have 
updated the documentation page accordingly.

Happy TeXing,
Taco


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[NTG-context] Wiki ConText Installation updated

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,

Today I updated the ConText behind wiki.contextgarden.net, 
live.contextgarden.net and source.contextgarden.net to the current latest: 
2020.06.30 17:30.

* The wiki’s  tag now defaults to “lmtx” mode, and you can switch back 
to “mkiv“ using the  “mode” attribute. The “mkii” mode is no longer working.
* The wiki’s  now supports the latest ConText as well, and I added 
support for all the “system-level” commands. Also the colors have changed a 
little and generated commands now have a link back to generating command.

* the live website always run lmtx.

* the source website’s software has been improved a little as well; I have 
updated the documentation page accordingly.

Happy TeXing,
Taco


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Re: [NTG-context] wiki update - status

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Garulfo wrote:


- Remove former "manually made links bar" at the top of the pages
  current structure should be enough now have an easier understanding of
  the wiki structure.


Along that line, we should also considering fixing the getting started navbox 
or removing it altogether. It used to have a nice visual layout, but that was 
lost when upgrading the wiki. In the current form, it uses too much vertical 
space and it might be redundant with the new wiki structure.

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Re: [NTG-context] wiki update - status

[Marcus Vinicius Mesquita]

So much better! Thank you very much for the effort!

Greetings

Marcus Vinicius

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 19:05 Garulfo  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> New source browser is nice ! Thanks a lot.
>
> After level 1 (Main Page / Download and Install / Documentation /
> Mailing lists), I mostly finished a review of level 2 (and some level 3)
> pages.
>
> Several tweaks all over the place like:
>
> - Fonts: full update for newcomers,
> - Try to be responsive "enough" for smartphone
> - More homogeneous style / theme
> - Old Content category and tag pages, update dead links
> - Layout:
>- do the todo, like merging content of paper setup + paper sizes pages
>- complete the flow with imposition
>- rework the "Further reading section", add PDF links and so on
> - Programming & DB:
>- Gather "Calling Lua from TeX" and "Calling TeX from Lua"
>  (section +links) in a same page
> - Tools:
>- segregate "core tools" and "additional tools"
>- highlight existence of mtxrun and context scripts pages
> - Remove former "manually made links bar" at the top of the pages
>current structure should be enough now have an easier understanding of
>the wiki structure.
>
> Thanks for your help Taco, Hans, Aditya, Hraban, Tomáš.
>
> I hope that this will help to improve the reception of users and their
> willingness to contribute.
>
> Bye.
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Re: [NTG-context] wiki update - status

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/8/2020 12:05 AM, Garulfo wrote:

Hi all,

New source browser is nice ! Thanks a lot.

After level 1 (Main Page / Download and Install / Documentation / 
Mailing lists), I mostly finished a review of level 2 (and some level 3) 
pages.


Several tweaks all over the place like:

- Fonts: full update for newcomers,
- Try to be responsive "enough" for smartphone
- More homogeneous style / theme
- Old Content category and tag pages, update dead links
- Layout:
   - do the todo, like merging content of paper setup + paper sizes pages
   - complete the flow with imposition
   - rework the "Further reading section", add PDF links and so on
- Programming & DB:
   - Gather "Calling Lua from TeX" and "Calling TeX from Lua"
     (section +links) in a same page
- Tools:
   - segregate "core tools" and "additional tools"
   - highlight existence of mtxrun and context scripts pages
- Remove former "manually made links bar" at the top of the pages
   current structure should be enough now have an easier understanding of
   the wiki structure.

Thanks for your help Taco, Hans, Aditya, Hraban, Tomáš.

I hope that this will help to improve the reception of users and their 
willingness to contribute.

I'm really impressed by all the progress that has been made!

Hans

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[NTG-context] wiki update - status

[Garulfo]

Hi all,

New source browser is nice ! Thanks a lot.

After level 1 (Main Page / Download and Install / Documentation / 
Mailing lists), I mostly finished a review of level 2 (and some level 3) 
pages.


Several tweaks all over the place like:

- Fonts: full update for newcomers,
- Try to be responsive "enough" for smartphone
- More homogeneous style / theme
- Old Content category and tag pages, update dead links
- Layout:
  - do the todo, like merging content of paper setup + paper sizes pages
  - complete the flow with imposition
  - rework the "Further reading section", add PDF links and so on
- Programming & DB:
  - Gather "Calling Lua from TeX" and "Calling TeX from Lua"
(section +links) in a same page
- Tools:
  - segregate "core tools" and "additional tools"
  - highlight existence of mtxrun and context scripts pages
- Remove former "manually made links bar" at the top of the pages
  current structure should be enough now have an easier understanding of
  the wiki structure.

Thanks for your help Taco, Hans, Aditya, Hraban, Tomáš.

I hope that this will help to improve the reception of users and their 
willingness to contribute.


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

I like the new page layout. It is a big improvement structurally, and great 
work!

Best wishes,
Taco

> On 24 May 2020, at 10:53, Henning Hraban Ramm  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 24.05.2020 um 04:06 schrieb Aditya Mahajan :
>> 
>> I am okay with changing the main page as well. But since this is the main 
>> page, let's wait for the other mods to chime in as well.
> 
> Am I a mod? Just a frequent contributor, I guess...
> 
> I like the new main page, it looks very friendly. Myself I never look a lot 
> at the main page but use the search or type the URL directly, since I usually 
> know what I’m looking for...
> 
> Thanks for the efforts though!
> 
> Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 24.05.2020 um 04:06 schrieb Aditya Mahajan :
> 
> I am okay with changing the main page as well. But since this is the main 
> page, let's wait for the other mods to chime in as well.

Am I a mod? Just a frequent contributor, I guess...

I like the new main page, it looks very friendly. Myself I never look a lot at 
the main page but use the search or type the URL directly, since I usually know 
what I’m looking for...

Thanks for the efforts though!

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sat, 23 May 2020, Garulfo wrote:




1/ Concerning the Manuals Page
   - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails  of the
 oldest manuals.

Looks good. A few minor comments:
I haven't tested it, but the natural tables in context examples (in 
Sec 3.6) should still work with latest versions.
The "context rehab for amsmath addicts" should be in math (or 
sciences) rather than tables. (This reminds me, I should update that 
reference).


Both corrections are made, thanks for your help.



   - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just
 add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the
 user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.
   - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.


One concern that I have is how easy it is to navigate the page on the 
phone. Currently, it does not really work on the phone. Is there some 
way to make it more responsive?


Thanks again, of primary importance.

Should be far better now (quickly checked on two smartphones, one 
android and one ios)


Thanks. Both pages look good on mobile now. I am okay with merging this with 
the old manuals page. A small suggestion is that we could omit the table of 
content on this page, as it is almost redundant in the new format.


2/ After  the Manuals,  please find a proposal for the Welcome Page,
   which is probably trickier
   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal
   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current)
   - 4 objectives :
1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text,
Some of us prefer text. What was earlier a one step process for me (go 
to home page, search for keyword, go to page), is now a two step 
process. But I agree that the new proposed layout is more friendly to 
new users and support it.


Yes, I suspected that the current version had advantages as a result of 
past iterations.


It would be interesting to identify the links that people want to access 
in one step. We can list them in 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Talk:Main_Page_TempProposal, and I will 
try to find ways to integrate them.


Personally, I don't think that it is a big deal.


2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15
   topics,
    3/ but hold in one (big) screen,
4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page,
5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on  your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts  ==>  not too hard now to reorder, to adapt.
You should also document your work flow somewhere (perhaps the talk 
page of the same page or a dedicated page on the wiki). That is useful 
for long term maintainability of the wiki.


Done: two zip files are uploaded, with link and brief description in the 
Talk zone of the respective pages.


Thanks.

I am okay with changing the main page as well. But since this is the main page, 
let's wait for the other mods to chime in as well.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Garulfo]

1/ Concerning the Manuals Page
   - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails  of the
 oldest manuals.

Looks good. A few minor comments:
I haven't tested it, but the natural tables in context examples (in 
Sec 3.6) should still work with latest versions.
The "context rehab for amsmath addicts" should be in math (or 
sciences) rather than tables. (This reminds me, I should update that 
reference).


Both corrections are made, thanks for your help.



   - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just
 add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the
 user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.
   - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.


One concern that I have is how easy it is to navigate the page on the 
phone. Currently, it does not really work on the phone. Is there some 
way to make it more responsive?


Thanks again, of primary importance.

Should be far better now (quickly checked on two smartphones, one 
android and one ios)




2/ After  the Manuals,  please find a proposal for the Welcome Page,
   which is probably trickier
   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal
   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current)
   - 4 objectives :
1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text,
Some of us prefer text. What was earlier a one step process for me (go 
to home page, search for keyword, go to page), is now a two step 
process. But I agree that the new proposed layout is more friendly to 
new users and support it.


Yes, I suspected that the current version had advantages as a result of 
past iterations.


It would be interesting to identify the links that people want to access 
in one step. We can list them in 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Talk:Main_Page_TempProposal, and I will 
try to find ways to integrate them.




2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15
   topics,
    3/ but hold in one (big) screen,
This looks more reasonable on the phone. The 2nd half of the page 
looks okay, but the first half still looks weird (too narrow and long 
columns). Perhaps there is a way to may it a bit more responsive on 
the phone.


See above, should be far better now.



4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page,
5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on  your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts  ==>  not too hard now to reorder, to adapt.
You should also document your work flow somewhere (perhaps the talk 
page of the same page or a dedicated page on the wiki). That is useful 
for long term maintainability of the wiki.


Done: two zip files are uploaded, with link and brief description in the 
Talk zone of the respective pages.



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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 22 May 2020, Garulfo wrote:


Hi all,

thanks for your encouraging feedbacks.

1/ Concerning the Manuals Page
   - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails  of the
 oldest manuals.


Looks good. A few minor comments:

I haven't tested it, but the natural tables in context examples (in Sec 3.6) 
should still work with latest versions.

The "context rehab for amsmath addicts" should be in math (or sciences) rather 
than tables. (This reminds me, I should update that reference).


   - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just
 add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide  the
 user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.

   - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.


One concern that I have is how easy it is to navigate the page on the phone. 
Currently, it does not really work on the phone. Is there some way to make it 
more responsive?


2/ After  the Manuals,  please find a proposal for the Welcome Page,
   which is probably trickier

   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal
   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current)

   - 4 objectives :
1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text,


Some of us prefer text. What was earlier a one step process for me (go to home 
page, search for keyword, go to page), is now a two step process. But I agree 
that the new proposed layout is more friendly to new users and support it.


2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15
   topics,
3/ but hold in one (big) screen,


This looks more reasonable on the phone. The 2nd half of the page looks okay, 
but the first half still looks weird (too narrow and long columns). Perhaps 
there is a way to may it a bit more responsive on the phone.


4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page,
5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on  your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts  ==>  not too hard now to reorder, to adapt.


You should also document your work flow somewhere (perhaps the talk page of the 
same page or a dedicated page on the wiki). That is useful for long term 
maintainability of the wiki.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/22/2020 11:42 PM, Garulfo wrote:

Hi all,

thanks for your encouraging feedbacks.

1/ Concerning the Manuals Page
    - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails  of the
  oldest manuals.
    - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just
  add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide  the
  user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.

    - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.


probbaly no one knows this but there is real old feature

>mtxrun --launch  --pattern=luametafun.pdf
mtxrun  | launching: 
c:/data/develop/tex-context/tex/texmf-context/doc/context/documents/general/manuals/luametafun.pdf


i could probably extend that with a list option (there is actually a xml 
file that describes the manuals as on the website ... it's used in 
generating the website which happens every update - from also rather 
ancient xml files)


Hans

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[NTG-context] Wiki - Proposal to update the Welcome page

[Garulfo]

Hi all,

thanks for your encouraging feedbacks.

1/ Concerning the Manuals Page
   - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails  of the
 oldest manuals.
   - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just
 add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide  the
 user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.

   - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.


2/ After  the Manuals,  please find a proposal for the Welcome Page,
   which is probably trickier

   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal
   - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current)

   - 4 objectives :
1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text,
2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15
   topics,
3/ but hold in one (big) screen,
4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page,
5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on  your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts  ==>  not too hard now to reorder, to adapt.


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki update

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/30/2019 9:34 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:

On 30 May 2019, at 12:07, Taco Hoekwater  wrote:
[…]

For example,

  section

outputs a table with the formal calling convention(s) for the \section command. 
Multiple tables actually, as it also outputs the alternative calls with 
different arguments, and it outputs the definition of the internal \*section* 
command, of which \section is an instance. (The parents of instances are 
printed in a slanted font).


This is absolutely magic and extremely useful! Thank you, Wolfgang, Taco and 
Hans!

I wonder whether the magic behind the scenes would allow some day to say
\syntax[section]
within a ConTeXT document… :-)


\usemodule[setups-basics]
\loadsetups[i-context]

\starttext

\basicsetup{section:instance}

\shortsetup{section:instance}

\showsetup {section:instance}

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki update

[Otared Kavian]

> On 30 May 2019, at 12:07, Taco Hoekwater  wrote:
> […]
> 
> For example,
> 
>  section
> 
> outputs a table with the formal calling convention(s) for the \section 
> command. Multiple tables actually, as it also outputs the alternative calls 
> with different arguments, and it outputs the definition of the internal 
> \*section* command, of which \section is an instance. (The parents of 
> instances are printed in a slanted font).

This is absolutely magic and extremely useful! Thank you, Wolfgang, Taco and 
Hans!

I wonder whether the magic behind the scenes would allow some day to say
\syntax[section]
within a ConTeXT document… :-)

Best regards, and again many many thanks: OK
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki update

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/30/2019 12:07 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:


I have not auto-replaced any of the handcrafted command page syntax tables in 
the existing wiki pages, because quite often the current syntax table has 
manual additions explaining various options. In the formal version these are 
obviously not present, and I did not want to remove any of that extra 
information.


maybe at some point we can have extra xml files that explain some of 
that (after all there is a 'xml path' to such an entry ... something to 
discuss at a meeting



Anyway, the nice thing about this new wiki plugin is that if you want to create a 
page for a specific command that is not in existence right now, it is a simple matter 
of going to the expected url, and creating a page with just a Syntax heading and a 
 tag.

For example (created a minute ago):

url:
   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescription

content:
   == Syntax ==

   setupdescription


Thanks go to Wolfgang for all the hard work!

And you too!

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki update

[Procházka Lukáš Ing .]

Hello Taco,


From now on, when you are editing the wiki (especially the /Command/CMD pages), you can use 
CMD to output the formal table of arguments
for that CMD (omit the backslash)

For example,

  section

outputs a table with the formal calling convention(s) for the \section command. 
Multiple tables actually, as it also outputs the alternative calls with 
different arguments, and it outputs the definition of the internal \*section* 
command, of which \section is an instance. (The parents of instances are 
printed in a slanted font).


this is really great!

This gives idea what syntax "sugars" (alternatives) are possible and what args 
may be used! This lacked for years!


===

I have not auto-replaced any of the handcrafted command page syntax tables in 
the existing wiki pages, because quite often the current syntax table has 
manual additions explaining various options. In the formal version these are 
obviously not present, and I did not want to remove any of that extra 
information.

Anyway, the nice thing about this new wiki plugin is that if you want to create a 
page for a specific command that is not in existence right now, it is a simple matter 
of going to the expected url, and creating a page with just a Syntax heading and a 
 tag.

For example (created a minute ago):

url:
  https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescription

content:
  == Syntax ==

  setupdescription


My suggestions is to add an auto-generated-command-syntax wiki-page-section, 
too.

I find it very useful - just now one can see what are possibilities!

I added the following code into wiki page - just for testing purposes, anyone 
can alter the page:

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/section#Syntax



== [[Help:Reference|Syntax (generated automatically from ConTeXt definition)]] 
==
section



And just now I can see that \section accepts syntax of the forms:

\section[MyRef]{My title}
\section[MyRef]{4.0}{My title}
\section[reference=MyRef,ownnumber=4.0,title={My title}]

So better for us if we find a way to COMBINE command descriptions already existing on wiki 
WITH those generated via command injection.

Thanks again for the great job.

Best regards,

Lukas


Thanks go to Wolfgang for all the hard work!



Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki update

[Jan U. Hasecke]

Am 30.05.19 um 12:07 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> url:
>   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescription
> 
> content:
>   == Syntax ==
> 
>   setupdescription

Brilliant!

Thanks a lot!

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[NTG-context] Wiki update

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,


Not sure how many of you remember this, but at the Kalenberg meeting in 2016 
there was this talk:

===
  Setups

  Wolfgang Schuster (and Hans Hagen)

  The user interface is described in xml files but the actual descriptions 
lagged behind development. Wolfgang spent a considerable amount of time to 
describe all commands in detail and we updated the descriptive format in the 
process. The rendering was partly redone, as was the help system and scripts 
that use this information.
===

Since then, nothing much had been done with those updated xml files, which is a 
big shame considering the enormous amount of work that went into the process.

But recently we have been discussing the wiki and (especially) the sorry state 
of the reference portion of that. At some point, I realised that we could 
rather easily combine the new xml interface files with a small wiki extension, 
such that the wiki has easy access to the latest and greatest command list.

===

From now on, when you are editing the wiki (especially the /Command/CMD pages), 
you can use CMD to output the formal table of arguments
for that CMD (omit the backslash)

For example,

  section

outputs a table with the formal calling convention(s) for the \section command. 
Multiple tables actually, as it also outputs the alternative calls with 
different arguments, and it outputs the definition of the internal \*section* 
command, of which \section is an instance. (The parents of instances are 
printed in a slanted font).

There are 2035 normal commands and 373 instances in the database, essentially 
covering all the style- and document-level commands in ConTeXt.
I’ve decided not to add the low-level system commands because (apart from 
perhaps a few special cases) these do not belong in general user documentation.

===

I have not auto-replaced any of the handcrafted command page syntax tables in 
the existing wiki pages, because quite often the current syntax table has 
manual additions explaining various options. In the formal version these are 
obviously not present, and I did not want to remove any of that extra 
information.  

Anyway, the nice thing about this new wiki plugin is that if you want to create 
a page for a specific command that is not in existence right now, it is a 
simple matter of going to the expected url, and creating a page with just a 
Syntax heading and a  tag. 

For example (created a minute ago):

url:
  https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescription

content:
  == Syntax ==

  setupdescription


Thanks go to Wolfgang for all the hard work!

Best wishes,
Taco




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[NTG-context] [Wiki] list of editors

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Ahoi!

I reworked https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Text_Editors

The split into "ConTeXt aware" and other editors didn’t make sense since they 
got mixed, editors that are Unicode-disabled we should just ignore, and the 
table had too many columns.

If you know one of these applications better, please add the missing features.

Additional features that *I* look for in an editor are e.g. project management 
(at least a directory tree view) and git client. But maybe that’s out of focus 
for that table.


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Re: [NTG-context] wiki issue

[Taco Hoekwater]

> On 27 Sep 2018, at 09:29, Clyde Johnston  wrote:
> 
> You may also want to check the links to h2o-books.com under "Physical Books". 
>  I notice they are returning "URL not found" errors.

Yes, h2o books is down. Just try the index page ;)

Hopefully, I’ll have a new site up by the weekend. The drupal we 
were running does not like php7 at all, so I am switching to
wordpress, which is a bit of an adjustment...

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] wiki issue

[Clyde Johnston]

You may also want to check the links to h2o-books.com under "Physical Books".  
I notice they are returning "URL not found" errors.

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From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Taco 
Hoekwater
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:13 AM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] wiki issue

Hi,

> On 25 Sep 2018, at 21:21, Floris van Manen  wrote:
> 
> got an error while searching for a keyword
> 
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search
> =placebuffer&go=Go
> 
> [966e839e01d0a232c888254a] 
> /index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=placebuffer&go=Go 
> Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1457 of 
> /var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php:
>  A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your 
> application's database schema updater after upgrading?
> Query: SHOW GLOBAL VARIABLES LIKE 'ft\_min\_word\_len'
> Function: SearchMySQL::minSearchLength
> Error: 1682 Native table 'performance_schema'.'global_variables' has 
> the wrong structure (localhost)

I am investigating this error. Seems there was a problem upgrading the 
databases.


Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: [NTG-context] wiki issue

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

> On 25 Sep 2018, at 21:21, Floris van Manen  wrote:
> 
> got an error while searching for a keyword
> 
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=placebuffer&go=Go
> 
> [966e839e01d0a232c888254a] 
> /index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=placebuffer&go=Go 
> Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1457 of 
> /var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php:
>  A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your 
> application's database schema updater after upgrading?
> Query: SHOW GLOBAL VARIABLES LIKE 'ft\_min\_word\_len'
> Function: SearchMySQL::minSearchLength
> Error: 1682 Native table 'performance_schema'.'global_variables' has the 
> wrong structure (localhost)

I am investigating this error. Seems there was a problem upgrading
the databases.


Best wishes,
Taco


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[NTG-context] wiki issue

[Floris van Manen]

got an error while searching for a keyword

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=placebuffer&go=Go



[966e839e01d0a232c888254a] 
/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=placebuffer&go=Go 
Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1457 of 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php:
 A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's 
database schema updater after upgrading?
Query: SHOW GLOBAL VARIABLES LIKE 'ft\_min\_word\_len'
Function: SearchMySQL::minSearchLength
Error: 1682 Native table 'performance_schema'.'global_variables' has the wrong 
structure (localhost)
Backtrace:

#0 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1427):
 Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->makeQueryException(string, integer, string, string)
#1 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1200):
 Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->reportQueryError(string, integer, string, string, 
boolean)
#2 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(446): 
Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->query(string, string)
#3 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(402): 
SearchMySQL->minSearchLength()
#4 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(104): 
SearchMySQL->normalizeText(string)
#5 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(299): 
SearchMySQL->parseQuery(string, boolean)
#6 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(273): 
SearchMySQL->queryMain(array, string, boolean)
#7 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(188): 
SearchMySQL->getQuery(string, boolean)
#8 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(178): 
SearchMySQL->searchInternal(string, boolean)
#9 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php(318):
 SearchMySQL->searchTitle(string)
#10 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php(185):
 SpecialSearch->showResults(string)
#11 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(522):
 SpecialSearch->execute(NULL)
#12 
/var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(568):
 SpecialPage->run(NULL)
#13 /var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/MediaWiki.php(288): 
SpecialPageFactory::executePath(Title, RequestContext)
#14 /var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/MediaWiki.php(861): 
MediaWiki->performRequest()
#15 /var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/includes/MediaWiki.php(524): 
MediaWiki->main()
#16 /var/www/contextgarden.net/newwiki/htdocs/index.php(42): MediaWiki->run()
#17 {main}



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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki pages on Unicode blocks

[Raghavendra Nyshadham]

Dear Thomas,

Thank you for looking at those pages.

I didn’t realise that I would be traveling this week. I will add references and 
some other changes after I return.

Regards,
Raghu.

-- 
N. Raghavendra , http://www.retrotexts.net/
Harish-Chandra Research Institute, http://www.hri.res.in/

> On 27-Oct-2017, at 14:29, Schmitz Thomas A.  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25. Oct 2017, at 15:47, N. Raghavendra  wrote:
>> 
>> Based on what I have learnt from the replies to my queries in the last
>> few days, I have added the following Wiki pages on Unicode blocks in
>> ConTeXt:
> 
> Very good articles, nice introduction and instructive overview. Very useful 
> to have on the wiki, thank you!
> 
> Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki pages on Unicode blocks

[Schmitz Thomas A.]

> On 25. Oct 2017, at 15:47, N. Raghavendra  wrote:
> 
> Based on what I have learnt from the replies to my queries in the last
> few days, I have added the following Wiki pages on Unicode blocks in
> ConTeXt:

Very good articles, nice introduction and instructive overview. Very useful to 
have on the wiki, thank you!

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[NTG-context] Wiki pages on Unicode blocks

[N. Raghavendra]

Based on what I have learnt from the replies to my queries in the last
few days, I have added the following Wiki pages on Unicode blocks in
ConTeXt:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Unicode_blocks_in_ConTeXt

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/List_of_Unicode_blocks

I will be adding a section of references to each of these two pages in a
couple of days.

I am not an expert on anything, and would be glad to learn if there are
any errors in these pages.

Thanks and regards,
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[NTG-context] WIKI - broken links to source files

[Jan Tosovsky]

Dear All,

there are broken links on several WIKI pages...

In e.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion

there is
http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua
instead of proper one
http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/font-ext.lua

But when the latter link is clicked, instead of displaying the content I am
getting:
Internal Error - please restart the application!

Links to MkII source I couldn't locate at all.

A side note. Would it be possible to somehow grab Wiki content and verify if
such links to TEX or LUA files exists?

Thanks, Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki maintenance

[Csikos Bela]

Taco Hoekwater írta:
>Hi all,
>
>Today I copied the ConTeXt wiki to a new server, in preparation for 
>the decommissioning the current old server, which should happen within
>a week or so.

Not exactly related but I wanted to ask it for a while:
Is it possible (or supported) to make local copies of the wiki pages for 
offline use?

Thanks,

bcsikos

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[NTG-context] Wiki maintenance

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,

Today I copied the ConTeXt wiki to a new server, in preparation for 
the decommissioning the current old server, which should happen within
a week or so.

I’ve disabled wiki page editing at the old location for now, while we wait
for everybody’s DNS entries to catch up. 

You will know that you are accessing the new location because:

* you can edit pages again :)
* there is a “powered by Semantic MediaWiki” logo at the bottom of the page.

If there is a problem at the new location, please warn me. I’ve tried to
install all the prerequisites on the new server, but chances are I missed
something.

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki broken: “internal error: pdfcrop failed” for new

[Taco Hoekwater]

> On 20 Jun 2015, at 19:00, Philipp A.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, as you see with the second example here: 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Multiline_equations#Working_with_equation_numbering
> 
> perfectly valid code that isn’t already rendered and cached fails to be shown.
> 
> Someone needs to fix the wiki!

Done (well, I hope). There is still a problem with the subformula example, but 
at least the
wiki shows a png now.

Best wishes,
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[NTG-context] Wiki broken: “internal error: pdfcrop failed” for new

[Philipp A.]

Hi, as you see with the second example here:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Multiline_equations#Working_with_equation_numbering

perfectly valid code that isn’t already rendered and cached fails to be
shown.

Someone needs to fix the wiki!

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[NTG-context] Wiki page on color

[Aditya Mahajan]

Hi,

I am doing a major overhaul of the wiki page on colors. The current 
page[1] had become tangled up with time and I think that it is better to 
reorganize the information.


Since this is a major change, rather than simply editing the wiki page, I 
have created a new page[2].


Please take a look at both pages:

[1]: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Color
[2]: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Color/sandbox

If you think that there is information on the original page that needs 
to go to the new page, move it there. After a few days, I'll move page [2] 
to page [1].


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[NTG-context] Wiki / sample

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

the "Sample 2" on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definedescription
compiles well on my computer (one of the latest Ctx version)
but not on wiki.

(It happens to me time to time when I want to add a sample, mostly a snip from 
the mailing list.)

IMHO, there is still a Ctx version mismatch between "latest Ctx Beta" (or another 
"stable Ctx version") and that on wiki.

It would be nice:

- to know which Ctx version compiles wiki samples
(Ctx, Lua & MP "stamp" - automatically generated on each Ctx renewal - 
would be useful to appear (on the initial?) wiki page),

- I guess wiki Ctx should renew more often (to prevent difference between the 
latest Ctx and that on wiki enlarges).

Best regards,

Lukas


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[NTG-context] Wiki - Main Page

[Thangalin]

Hi,

The link to "Documentation of the source code" on the front page of
the ConTeXt Garden Wiki is broken:

https://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/modules/
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/26/2013 10:57 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:52:56 +0200
Sietse Brouwer  wrote:


Or we could go old-school copy protection style: "What is the fifth
word on page 120 of the TeXbook?" :-P


\TEX


we could go for sound ... pronounce \TEX\ the right way .. only DEK 
could edit then


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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 26.04.2013 um 10:57 schrieb Alan BRASLAU :

> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:52:56 +0200
> Sietse Brouwer  wrote:
> 
>> Or we could go old-school copy protection style: "What is the fifth
>> word on page 120 of the TeXbook?" :-P
> 
> \TEX

Maybe \TeX\ but not \TEX\ which is a \CONTEXT\ command and not available with 
plain \TeX.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:52:56 +0200
Sietse Brouwer  wrote:

> Or we could go old-school copy protection style: "What is the fifth
> word on page 120 of the TeXbook?" :-P

\TEX

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:55:52 +0200
"Thomas A. Schmitz"  wrote:

> Well, in that case, I'd actually prefer Greek - "write line 222 of book 
> 2 of the Odyssey in its original Greek," or something like that... 

That's too easy:

σῆμά τέ οἱ χεύω καὶ ἐπὶ κτέρεα κτερεΐξω

:)
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[luigi scarso]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Taco Hoekwater  wrote:

> For now, I will quickly invent some of my own questions.

and the right answers will be given only to the physical people
present at the next context meeting.


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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,


Currently we are using QuestyCaptcha w/ ConfirmEdit. This is definitely 
supposed to be safer
than bitmap images unless the images become so complex that even humans get it 
wrong,
which has happened for me on various sites and is the most annoying thing in, 
like, ever!

I do not mind adding new questions and/or replacing all of them, but it is a 
bad idea to send
the new ones to the mailing list, since somehow a spamnet seems to have found 
the answers
and I doubt that they actually went to the trouble of looking up the answers on 
pragma-ade.com
(but then again, weirder stuff has happened).

For now, I will quickly invent some of my own questions.

Best wishes,
Taco




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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 04/26/2013 08:31 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:



even though I consider myself a serious Ctx user, Dutch is still Greek
to me.



How about to prompt the user to encode a displayed math, e.g. "b/a2^3"
to be answered "$\frac{b}{a_2^3}$"?

Well, in that case, I'd actually prefer Greek - "write line 222 of book 
2 of the Odyssey in its original Greek," or something like that... 
Seriously, I guess I'm not alone when I say I never use math.

But I agree something has to be done...

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:19:41 +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz 
 wrote:


On 04/25/2013 07:31 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote:

Hi Taco,



I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.


Yes, I had already contacted Mojca a couple of weeks ago. I think we
should demand that all questions be answered in Dutch. Every serious
ConTeXter has to know some Dutch,


even though I consider myself a serious Ctx user, Dutch is still Greek to me.


and nothing better than asking "What
is the ConTeXt keyword for a two-sided layout" and expecting
"dubbelzijdig" as an answer.


Goggle translator would help in this case 
(http://translate.google.com/#en/nl/doublesided);
but having a "more complicated keyword/option" may mean a 
unanswered/unanswerable question...

How about to prompt the user to encode a displayed math, e.g. "b/a2^3" to be answered 
"$\frac{b}{a_2^3}$"?

Best regards,

Lukas



If that doesn't help, we make them
pronounce it...

Thomas



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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Sietse Brouwer]

> Confirm account means that a new user will not be able to quickly correct
> typos etc. Isn't there a simple way to add a captcha to mediawiki.

Just found one (I had missed it when I sent my previous e-mail):

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA, nowadays merged into
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit (which is not
ConfirmAccount).

ConfirmEdit can be configured to only present captchas to
non-logged-in users, when they try to edit or create a page, or create
an account. Might that be useful?

Or we could go old-school copy protection style: "What is the fifth
word on page 120 of the TeXbook?" :-P

If we want to have a slightly higher barrier of entry: "Name one
undocumented command that you recently heard about on the mailing
list." ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:19:41 +0200
"Thomas A. Schmitz"  wrote:

> I think we 
> should demand that all questions be answered in Dutch. Every serious 
> ConTeXter has to know some Dutch, and nothing better than asking
> "What is the ConTeXt keyword for a two-sided layout" and expecting 
> "dubbelzijdig" as an answer. If that doesn't help, we make them 
> pronounce it...

++

(One can always look in mult-def.lua in order to cheat, but this won't
help me with the pronounciation)

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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 04/25/2013 07:31 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote:

Hi Taco,

We're getting 3-12 new accounts created per day. If nothing else,
they're cluttering up the recent changes list.

I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.


Yes, I had already contacted Mojca a couple of weeks ago. I think we 
should demand that all questions be answered in Dutch. Every serious 
ConTeXter has to know some Dutch, and nothing better than asking "What 
is the ConTeXt keyword for a two-sided layout" and expecting 
"dubbelzijdig" as an answer. If that doesn't help, we make them 
pronounce it...


Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, Sietse Brouwer wrote:


We're getting 3-12 new accounts created per day. If nothing else,
they're cluttering up the recent changes list.

I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.

* If you have a log of which questions get answered correctly,
perhaps only rotate out the bad question(s);
* If finding the cracked questions is nontrivial (i.e. more work than
'just open the log file and see which ones get answered every day'),
just replace them all.

If this works, hooray; if it stops working, we can either change the
questions again (if the spammers took long to get through) or move on
to e.g. the ConfirmAccount extension [1,2] (if the questions got
cracked quickly, so we are getting 'human' attention from the spammer
instead of his bots).


Confirm account means that a new user will not be able to quickly correct 
typos etc. Isn't there a simple way to add a captcha to mediawiki. I am 
not a big fan of Captchas, but the are the de facto standard for human 
verification. A user only has to do it once, so it is not too big of an 
annoyance either.


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Sietse Brouwer]

Hi Taco,

We're getting 3-12 new accounts created per day. If nothing else,
they're cluttering up the recent changes list.

I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.

* If you have a log of which questions get answered correctly,
perhaps only rotate out the bad question(s);
* If finding the cracked questions is nontrivial (i.e. more work than
'just open the log file and see which ones get answered every day'),
just replace them all.

If this works, hooray; if it stops working, we can either change the
questions again (if the spammers took long to get through) or move on
to e.g. the ConfirmAccount extension [1,2] (if the questions got
cracked quickly, so we are getting 'human' attention from the spammer
instead of his bots).

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[2] http://www.stargate-wiki.de/wiki/Spezial:Benutzerkonto_beantragen

Cheers,
Sietse

The proposed questions:

* What command indicates 'text starts here'? (Include the backslash.)
  \starttext

* What command is used to setup the bodyfont? (Include the backslash.)
  \setupbodyfont

* What is the last name (starts with K) of the man who created TeX?
  Knuth

* What is the first name (7 letters, starts with H) of Mr Zapf?
  Hermann

* How many letters does 'stoptext' contain? (Please type out the
number as a word.)
  Eight
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Philipp Gesang]

·

> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Philipp Gesang  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I’d like to draw your attention to the wiki. The spammers appear
> > to know the solution to the current entry barrier “What is
> > usually the last command in a ConTeXt source file (without the
> > backslash)?”, and the number of fake accounts is growing fast:
> >
> >   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Log/newusers
> >
> > They don’t, however, seem to vandalize yet, so I guess the postal
> > code of Hasselt is unbreakable with today’s technology ;-)

I spoke too soon (or maybe those guys read the list and view this
discussion as a challenge?):

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Contributions/TrenaLege


> > Nevertheless the account spam is messing up the recent changes
> > feed:
> >
> >   
> > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
> >
> > Even if it’s not urgent, may I suggest we collect possible
> > replacements for the current question? I can’t image the damage
> > those accounts would do once they figure out how to post links.
> 
> It would probably be best to:
> 
> 1.) Remove all those account (attention: some users are actually
> legitimate and contributed valid content).
> 
> 2.) Find out if there is any problematic IP and block those IPs.

Careful as their IPs could be spoofed, you might end up blocking
innocent users.

> 3.) Install something like
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount and/or maybe
> use both captcha and some context-specific question (honestly: if
> users don't know how to answer some slightly more tricky question,
> they shouldn't be able to get the account). We could use questions
> like "Last name of president of ConTeXt User Group."

This could discourage people from fixing trivial stuff like
misspellings. Maybe add a note that they should drop a mail to
the list if they don’t know the answer.

Regards
Philipp


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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Leo Arnold]

On 04/05/2013 04:09 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

   Adding an actual captcha seems like the way to go; it may not prevent
all automated account creations, but it clearly filters much better than
a static list of questions with plain-text answers.


... or have them write a letter of motivation and require three letters 
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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:59:47 +0200
Mojca Miklavec  wrote:

> some context-specific question (honestly: if
> users don't know how to answer some slightly more tricky question,
> they shouldn't be able to get the account). We could use questions
> like "Last name of president of ConTeXt User Group."

Uh... ?

Why not some *really* tricky question like: "what keyword is to be used to 
right-justify?" :)

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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> 3.) Install something like
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount and/or maybe
> use both captcha and some context-specific question

  Adding an actual captcha seems like the way to go; it may not prevent
all automated account creations, but it clearly filters much better than
a static list of questions with plain-text answers.

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Re: [NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Philipp Gesang  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to draw your attention to the wiki. The spammers appear
> to know the solution to the current entry barrier “What is
> usually the last command in a ConTeXt source file (without the
> backslash)?”, and the number of fake accounts is growing fast:
>
>   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Log/newusers
>
> They don’t, however, seem to vandalize yet, so I guess the postal
> code of Hasselt is unbreakable with today’s technology ;-)
> Nevertheless the account spam is messing up the recent changes
> feed:
>
>   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
>
> Even if it’s not urgent, may I suggest we collect possible
> replacements for the current question? I can’t image the damage
> those accounts would do once they figure out how to post links.

It would probably be best to:

1.) Remove all those account (attention: some users are actually
legitimate and contributed valid content).

2.) Find out if there is any problematic IP and block those IPs.

3.) Install something like
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount and/or maybe
use both captcha and some context-specific question (honestly: if
users don't know how to answer some slightly more tricky question,
they shouldn't be able to get the account). We could use questions
like "Last name of president of ConTeXt User Group."

I haven't been on wiki for a while and received a warning about the
issue yesterday.

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[NTG-context] [wiki] fake account spam

[Philipp Gesang]

Hi all,

I’d like to draw your attention to the wiki. The spammers appear
to know the solution to the current entry barrier “What is
usually the last command in a ConTeXt source file (without the
backslash)?”, and the number of fake accounts is growing fast:

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Log/newusers

They don’t, however, seem to vandalize yet, so I guess the postal
code of Hasselt is unbreakable with today’s technology ;-)
Nevertheless the account spam is messing up the recent changes
feed:

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss

Even if it’s not urgent, may I suggest we collect possible
replacements for the current question? I can’t image the damage
those accounts would do once they figure out how to post links.

Best
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Re: [NTG-context] wiki page for \feature

[Sietse Brouwer]

Dear Idris,

I have merged your output graphic into the article --- perhaps a bit
large, but I wanted to be sure the features were legible. Thank you
for including the PDF, that made things easier.

I have taken the liberty of moving the page title to [[Featuresets]]
---easier to remember, I think, and easier to link to. I've updated
your redirects, of cours. [[Open Type Font Features]], [[Open Type
Fonts and Featuresets in MkIV]], and [[Font features]] all redirect
there.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Featuresets#Sample_file_with_examples

Thank-you for writing this article, it is much appreciated.
Sietse

On 22 March 2013 00:01, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد
 wrote:
> Dear gang,
>
> I made a wiki page for \feature et al:
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Open_Type_Fonts_and_Featuresets_in_MkIV
>
> Towards the end we need a graphical sample of the sample file, but I do not
> know how to do that. See
>
> ===
> Now let us review the results:
>
> [output/graphic here]
> ===
>
> I have to move on to other projects so I'm leaving completion and
> improvement to others in the community. Here is the sample file (needs
> latest beta! pdf attached as well) that needs graphical output on the page:
>
> ==
> \definefontfeature
>   [schola-preset]
>   [mode=node,script=latn,language=dflt,kern=yes,liga=yes,lnum=yes]
>
>  \starttypescript [serif] [schola-preset] [name]
>  \definefontsynonym [Serif]
> [name:texgyreschola-regular.otf][features=schola-preset]
>  \stoptypescript
>
>  \starttypescript [serif] [schola-preset] [size]
> \definebodyfont
>  [35.8pt,29.8pt,24.8pt,20.7pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,12pt,11pt,10pt,9pt,8pt]
>  [rm]
>  [tf=Serif sa 1]
>  \stoptypescript
>
>  \starttypescript [schola-default]
>  \definebodyfontenvironment
>   [schola-default]
>   [default]
>   [interlinespace=2.7ex]
> \definetypeface [schola-default] [rm] [serif] [schola-preset]
> [schola-preset] % [default]
>  \stoptypescript
>
>  \usetypescript[schola-default]
>  \setupbodyfont[schola-default,12pt]
>
> \definefontfeature[f:smallcaps] [smcp=yes]
> \definefontfeature[f:thinimacron]   [ss04=yes]
> \definefontfeature[f:upsidedown][dlig=yes]
>
>
> \definefontfeature[f:newstyle]  [onum=no]
> \definefontfeature[f:nocaps][smcp=no]
> \definefontfeature[f:wideimacron]   [ss04=no]
> \definefontfeature[f:rightsideup]   [dlig=no]
>
>
> \definefontfeature[f:ligatures] [liga=yes]
> \definefontfeature[f:noligatures]   [liga=no]
>
> \definefontfeature[f:oldstyle]  [onum=yes,lnum=no]
>
> \definefontfeature[f:oldstyleupsidedown][onum=yes,dlig=yes]
> \definefontfeature[f:newstylerightsideup]   [onum=no,dlig=no]
>
> \definefontfeature[f:oldstylewmacron]   [ss04=no,onum=yes]
> \definefontfeature[f:newstylesmallcaps] [smcp=yes,onum=no]
>
> \startTEXpage[offset=10pt]
>
> \define\SAMPLE{123 Idrīs ?` !` VA fi}
>
> \SAMPLE\blank
>
> \feature[+][f:oldstyle] \SAMPLE \blank
> \feature[more][f:thinimacron]   \SAMPLE \blank
> \addfeature[f:upsidedown]   \SAMPLE \blank
>
> \feature[+][f:smallcaps]\SAMPLE \blank
> \addfeature[f:wideimacron]  \SAMPLE \blank
>
> \feature[-][f:upsidedown]   \SAMPLE \blank
>
> \feature[=][f:oldstyleupsidedown]\SAMPLE \blank
>
> \feature[!][f:smallcaps]\SAMPLE \blank
>
> \feature[<] \SAMPLE \blank
> \stopTEXpage
> ==
>
> Thanks and best wishes
> Idris
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[NTG-context] wiki page for \feature

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Dear gang,

I made a wiki page for \feature et al:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Open_Type_Fonts_and_Featuresets_in_MkIV

Towards the end we need a graphical sample of the sample file, but I do  
not know how to do that. See


===
Now let us review the results:

[output/graphic here]
===

I have to move on to other projects so I'm leaving completion and  
improvement to others in the community. Here is the sample file (needs  
latest beta! pdf attached as well) that needs graphical output on the page:


==
\definefontfeature
  [schola-preset]
  [mode=node,script=latn,language=dflt,kern=yes,liga=yes,lnum=yes]

 \starttypescript [serif] [schola-preset] [name]
 \definefontsynonym [Serif]  
[name:texgyreschola-regular.otf][features=schola-preset]

 \stoptypescript

 \starttypescript [serif] [schola-preset] [size]
\definebodyfont
 [35.8pt,29.8pt,24.8pt,20.7pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,12pt,11pt,10pt,9pt,8pt]
 [rm]
 [tf=Serif sa 1]
 \stoptypescript

 \starttypescript [schola-default]
 \definebodyfontenvironment
  [schola-default]
  [default]
  [interlinespace=2.7ex]
\definetypeface [schola-default] [rm] [serif] [schola-preset]  
[schola-preset] % [default]

 \stoptypescript

 \usetypescript[schola-default]
 \setupbodyfont[schola-default,12pt]

\definefontfeature[f:smallcaps] [smcp=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:thinimacron]   [ss04=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:upsidedown][dlig=yes]


\definefontfeature[f:newstyle]  [onum=no]
\definefontfeature[f:nocaps][smcp=no]
\definefontfeature[f:wideimacron]   [ss04=no]
\definefontfeature[f:rightsideup]   [dlig=no]


\definefontfeature[f:ligatures] [liga=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:noligatures]   [liga=no]

\definefontfeature[f:oldstyle]  [onum=yes,lnum=no]

\definefontfeature[f:oldstyleupsidedown][onum=yes,dlig=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:newstylerightsideup]   [onum=no,dlig=no]

\definefontfeature[f:oldstylewmacron]   [ss04=no,onum=yes]
\definefontfeature[f:newstylesmallcaps] [smcp=yes,onum=no]

\startTEXpage[offset=10pt]

\define\SAMPLE{123 Idrīs ?` !` VA fi}

\SAMPLE\blank

\feature[+][f:oldstyle] \SAMPLE \blank
\feature[more][f:thinimacron]   \SAMPLE \blank
\addfeature[f:upsidedown]   \SAMPLE \blank

\feature[+][f:smallcaps]\SAMPLE \blank
\addfeature[f:wideimacron]  \SAMPLE \blank

\feature[-][f:upsidedown]   \SAMPLE \blank

\feature[=][f:oldstyleupsidedown]\SAMPLE \blank

\feature[!][f:smallcaps]\SAMPLE \blank

\feature[<]  \SAMPLE \blank
\stopTEXpage
==

Thanks and best wishes
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki example compilation failure

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 14:18:14 +0200, Sietse Brouwer  wrote:



or
?


Both work. Because both work, we have no way to force future edits to
be XHTML compliant, so I don't think it is productive to try to
enforce XHTML compliance in this. Instead, if we ever do need
compliant XHTML, we can have a bot run a find-and-replace.

I do understand that the non-compliant example might cause confusion,
so Ive added a note explicitly stating that omitting the quotation
marks is okay.
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Help%3AContext&action=historysubmit&diff=20362&oldid=19861
Does that look all right to you?


Perfect, thank you.

Best regards,

Lukas


Cheers,
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki example compilation failure

[Sietse Brouwer]

Procházka Lukáš wrote:
> BTW: Which of the following specifications is correct [for wiki]:
>
> 
> or
> ?

Both work. Because both work, we have no way to force future edits to
be XHTML compliant, so I don't think it is productive to try to
enforce XHTML compliance in this. Instead, if we ever do need
compliant XHTML, we can have a bot run a find-and-replace.

I do understand that the non-compliant example might cause confusion,
so Ive added a note explicitly stating that omitting the quotation
marks is okay.
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Help%3AContext&action=historysubmit&diff=20362&oldid=19861
Does that look all right to you?

Cheers,
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki example compilation failure

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:01:25 +0200, Sietse Brouwer  wrote:


http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Help:Context


BTW: Which of the following specifications is correct [for wiki]:


or
?

The former is used in the "prelast" example on 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Help:Context and - AFAIK (see e.g. 
http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_attributes.asp) - it is not in accordance with X[HT]ML 
specification; whilst the latter is in accordance with X[HT]ML specification.

So is it sure that mode=mkiv is OK [on wiki - its parser doesn't require quotation marks 
for element attributes] or mode="mkiv" should be preferred or even required?

Best regards,

Lukas


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki example compilation failure

[Sietse Brouwer]

Hi Lukáš,
(CC Mojca, Taco)

> [\setupdelimitedtext example]
> is successfully compiled by the current Ctx version whilst the same example
> on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdelimitedtext is not.

Yes, the wiki's ConTeXt installation is about a year old, as you can see at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Help:Context
I remember not getting that to particular example to work, and in the
end wrapping it in  instead of  tags.

Hans, can you take the version in TeX Live 2012 and promote it to the
current stable version, or is that not so easy (or not your
responsibility? Once that is done, Taco can update the wiki's ConTeXt.

Thanks,
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[NTG-context] Wiki example compilation failure

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

maybe the known problem with the wiki and the "current" Ctx versions.

The following code:


\setuppapersize[A5]

\starttext
\definedelimitedtext[mydt]
\setupdelimitedtext[mydt][left=\leftguillemot,right=\rightguillemot]

\quotation{Clancy of the Overflow}, by Banjo Paterson

\startmydt
  And an answer came directed in a manner unexpected, and I
  think the same was written with a thumbnail dipped in tar;
  't was his shearing-mate who wrote it, and verbatim I will quote it:
  \quotation{Clancy's gone to Queensland droving, and we don't know where he 
are.}
\stopmydt
\stoptext


is successfully compiled by the current Ctx version whilst the same example on 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdelimitedtext is not.

Best regards,

Lukas


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki - results differ?

[Taco Hoekwater]

On 05/04/2012 11:55 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:

Any idea why both results differ?


the context tag on the wiki normally runs context mkii.


And how to make wiki show the good result?


I fixed the page.

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[NTG-context] Wiki - results differ?

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

Wiki and a file processed on a local computer give different results -

- please compare "http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/doif...";

and the example attached:


\starttext
  \ctxlua{test = true}

  Test is \ctxlua{commands.testcase(test)}{True}{False}.

  \ctxlua{test = false}

  Test is \ctxlua{commands.testcase(test)}{True}{False}.
\stoptext


The result should be:

"
Test is True.
Test is False.
"

which works fine on my computer.

But wiki shows (wrongly):

"
Test is TrueFalse.
Test is TrueFalse.
"

although the same code is used in the example:



\starttext
  \ctxlua{test = true}

  Test is \ctxlua{commands.testcase(test)}{True}{False}.

  \ctxlua{test = false}

  Test is \ctxlua{commands.testcase(test)}{True}{False}.
\stoptext



Any idea why both results differ?

And how to make wiki show the good result?

Best regards,

Lukas


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki: examples

[Taco Hoekwater]

On 04/06/2012 09:56 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:


\setuppapersize[A5] % To narrow the result
\setupbodyfont[8pt] % To make font size closer to that of wiki


I've added those two settings to the php image generation script.

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[NTG-context] Wiki: examples

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

suggestion:

As ConTeXt-generated examples (automatically generated by  ... 
) on wiki are often:

- too long and
- their font is often too big compared to the other font used on the wiki page.

(E.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definedescription.)

(WinXP, normally using Opera browser with its default font settings.)

Personally, when I want to show both ConTeXt source and result (preferred, as it's not 
necessary to create "context-wiki" source and context-valid source), I'm using 
the following setup:

\setuppapersize[A5] % To narrow the result
\setupbodyfont[8pt] % To make font size closer to that of wiki
\setuppagenumbering[location=] % Page numbers are unnecessary in most cases

(E.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/defineenumeration.)

- What setups do YOU normally use?

- Do you think it would be useful to specify a recommendation for setup for 
 examples?

- If so, where to place it? To 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/How_to_edit_wiki_pages? Or elsewhere?

Your opinions are welcome.

Best regards,

Lukas


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[NTG-context] wiki correction

[Hans van der Meer]

I think I spotted a small error in the parameterlisting of \setupformulae on 
the wiki:
parameter "after dimension" probably should be "spaceafter dimension" because 
calling with the former has no effect, the latter does.
Though using it does not change the difference in spaceafter between 
\placeformula and \placeformula[-].

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[NTG-context] Wiki: Procedure to update the reference (was: `\reference` does not print number)

[Paul Menzel]

Am Samstag, den 29.10.2011, 18:10 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> Am 29.10.2011 um 18:03 schrieb Paul Menzel:

> > using
> > 
> >ConTeXt  ver: 2011.10.14 22:47 MKIV  fmt: 2011.10.15  int: 
> > english/english
> > 
> > the example from the Wiki page for `\reference` [1] does not work.
> > 
> >\starttext
> >See page \ref[p][myref 1] and \ref[p][myref 2].
> >\page
> >\reference[myref 1]{} This is the first reference.
> >\page
> >\reference[myref 2]{} This is the second one.
> >\stoptext
> > 
> > The numbers are not printed into the resulting file. Please find the
> > source file and resulting PDF file attached.
> 
> Use “page” as keyword for the first argument or get the pagenumber with 
> “\at[myref 1]”.

Thank you as always for the quick solution to my problem!

Is the command reference in the Wiki auto generated or do I just expand
or improve the article for `\reference`?


Thanks,

Paul


[1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/reference


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[NTG-context] wiki

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

the wiki is down, it seems to be an ISP problem. I have contacted them.

Patrick



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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki Topics Menu

[Mathieu Dupont]

Yes, actually your help led me to the following page, which is exactly what I 
was looking for:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Categories

I think it would be useful to have an obvious link to it on the Wiki main page.
Thanks a lot Pont !


Mathieu



> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:28:01 +1200
> From: p...@talvi.net
> To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Wiki Topics Menu
> 
> On Fri 03 Jun 2011, Mathieu DUPONT wrote:
> 
> > Is there a menu page on the wiki to see all the topics/pages there
> > are, such as these few examples :
> 
> Do you mean something like http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:AllPages ?
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:SpecialPages has some
> other resources of a similar nature.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki Topics Menu

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Fri 03 Jun 2011, Mathieu DUPONT wrote:

> Is there a menu page on the wiki to see all the topics/pages there
> are, such as these few examples :

Do you mean something like http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:AllPages ?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:SpecialPages has some
other resources of a similar nature.

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[NTG-context] Wiki Topics Menu

[Mathieu DUPONT]

Hi,
Is there a menu page on the wiki to see all the topics/pages there are, such as 
these few examples :
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TABLEhttp://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout
I really can't find it if it exits.Otherwise that would be very, very useful, 
rather that only hitting them when searching for something.
Thanks !



Mathieu

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki: MkIV vs. MkII

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

> So I seems to me to be good:
> 
> - to provide both compilation engines, MkII and MkIV,
> 
> - to provide a  attribute, e.g.  or  mark="iv"> or something like this to force the specified Ctx to compile.

We are planning to think about considering to install MKIV on the garden 
server. But this will take some time. We are currently in the progress of 
handling the ownership / server to other people and machines, and after that 
new things may come.

If there are some able system administrators with enough spare time, we could 
possibly combine efforts.

Patrick

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[NTG-context] Wiki: MkIV vs. MkII

[Procházka Lukáš]

Hello,

I encountered a problem running an example by MkII (which seems to be default) 
rather than by MkIV (see related discussion on 
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2011/058369.html).

Although in many examples (I mean  ...  wiki source code) in 
doesn't matter which Ctx version is being used for compilation, sometimes it may make a 
difference.

So I seems to me to be good:

- to provide both compilation engines, MkII and MkIV,

- to provide a  attribute, e.g.  or  or something like this to force the specified Ctx to compile.

Best regards,

Lukas


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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki discussion: Fwd: Ctx wiki

[Martin Schröder]

2011/4/1 Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. :
> - Why there is "%5C" in the links above? Any way how to avoid this?

Most likely because "\" is technically not a valid character in URLs
(I didn't check the RFC) and so is hex encoded as "%5C".

Best
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[NTG-context] Wiki discussion: Fwd: Re: Ctx wiki

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hi,



- its name is still "\doif"
- and not like "Reference/en/doif..."


I have moved the page to Reference/en/doif...


(BTW: It seems to me better if all commands appeared without (the common) 
"Reference/en/", but OK, now I'd like to achieve the normal look of reference items; so 
how to get "Reference/en/doif...".)


I know it's ugly, but I won't change anything.


Once the "\doif..." page was created (somewhere?), how to "move" it to 
"Reference/en/doif..."?


I am not sure if normal users (not sysops) can move pages.




- When I'm prompted for creation of a new page (for a missing item), I have no 
option where; I just can create one.

So if I've created a (bad) "\doif..." page, how to "transform" it to a 
"Reference/en/doif..." page? - I.e. 1) to change location and 2) to remove the leading "\" from the 
page name?


see above. One can move pages, but I am not so sure who can do that.




- You may still view and/or edit the "\doif..." page source, especially:

{{Reference|name=doif...|attributes=}}
...
[[Category:Reference/en|doif]]

(BTW: What is affected by "Reference|name=doif..."


That's a template. See

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Reference/en/doif...&action=edit


and what by "Category:Reference/en|doif"?


Thats a category. Category pages with links are automatically created if you say 
Category:.


- Seem similar, but I'm using "doif..." (with 3 dots) in the former case and 
"doif" in the latter one.

Last thing:

The title "\doif..." appears TWICE on the page 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif... - how to make it show just once?


The first is the title of the page (Reference/en/doif...) and the second is the 
exact name of the command. No real perfect solution, but it's just the way it 
is.

I'd appreciate if we can move this discussion to the public mailing list.

Thanks

Patrick

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[NTG-context] Wiki discussion: Fwd: Re: Ctx wiki

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

thanks for the hints -

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:20:37 +0200, Patrick Gundlach  
wrote:


Hi Lukáš,



just insert

[[Category:Reference/en|doif]]

at the bottom of the page.


OK, I did and a new valid link was created: 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif...

But:

- its name is still "\doif"
- and not like "Reference/en/doif..."

(BTW: It seems to me better if all commands appeared without (the common) 
"Reference/en/", but OK, now I'd like to achieve the normal look of reference items; so 
how to get "Reference/en/doif...".)


The page should not be "http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif"; but at 
"http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/doif";. And it might be helpful to follow the 
scheme of the other commands (see the source for http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/color 
for example)


Yes, that's a good complex and simple example (I was looking for such one).


and fill out the "form" that is inside {{  }}.


Done.


If I remember correctly then you can say __NOTOC__ somewhere on the page that 
prevents creating a toc. And you should follow the example on the other 
references pages.


OK.


I'd guess that \ is an invalid character in an URL, but I don't know. We have 
decided to omit the \ in the command names, because all commands start with a 
backslash.

HTH,

Patrick


Once the "\doif..." page was created (somewhere?), how to "move" it to 
"Reference/en/doif..."?

- When I'm prompted for creation of a new page (for a missing item), I have no 
option where; I just can create one.

So if I've created a (bad) "\doif..." page, how to "transform" it to a 
"Reference/en/doif..." page? - I.e. 1) to change location and 2) to remove the leading "\" from the 
page name?

- You may still view and/or edit the "\doif..." page source, especially:

{{Reference|name=doif...|attributes=}}
...
[[Category:Reference/en|doif]]

(BTW: What is affected by "Reference|name=doif..." and what by "Category:Reference/en|doif"? - Seem 
similar, but I'm using "doif..." (with 3 dots) in the former case and "doif" in the latter one.

Last thing:

The title "\doif..." appears TWICE on the page 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif... - how to make it show just once?

Lukas

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[NTG-context] Wiki discussion: Fwd: Re: Ctx wiki

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hi Lukáš,


Several questions:

- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif...

 The item about "\doif..." was intended to appear in the reference/en, but it 
doesn't. How to provide it?


just insert

[[Category:Reference/en|doif]]

at the bottom of the page.

The page should not be "http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif"; but at 
"http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/doif";. And it might be helpful to follow the scheme of 
the other commands (see the source for http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/color for example) and fill 
out the "form" that is inside {{  }}.



- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cstartitemize

 The item "\staritemize" creates (automatic?) table of contents, but bellow the 
first table (why?). Is it possible 1) to avoid the TOC creation or 2) to determine 
another TOC location?


If I remember correctly then you can say __NOTOC__ somewhere on the page that 
prevents creating a toc. And you should follow the example on the other 
references pages.


- Why there is "%5C" in the links above? Any way how to avoid this?


I'd guess that \ is an invalid character in an URL, but I don't know. We have 
decided to omit the \ in the command names, because all commands start with a 
backslash.

HTH,

Patrick

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[NTG-context] Wiki discussion: Fwd: Ctx wiki

[Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .]

Hello,

I passed first trials contributing wiki - 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Contributions/LuP.

Several questions:

- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cdoif...

   The item about "\doif..." was intended to appear in the reference/en, but it 
doesn't. How to provide it?

- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/%5Cstartitemize

   The item "\staritemize" creates (automatic?) table of contents, but bellow 
the first table (why?). Is it possible 1) to avoid the TOC creation or 2) to determine 
another TOC location?

- Why there is "%5C" in the links above? Any way how to avoid this?

Pls, feel free to modify my initial experienceless wiki code - I'll recognize 
your modifications, so I may avoid bad ways in the future.

Best regards,

Lukas

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki: Bug: /foo does not link to foo-reference

[Patrick Gundlach]

Am 16.12.2010 um 16:35 schrieb Jonas Stein:

> foo
> creates a javascript link that opens a new small window with the 
> reference list inside.
> 
> It would be nice, if it would open the corresponding page.
> like 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/foo
> 
> is that possible?

I'll have a look into it.

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[NTG-context] Wiki: Bug: /foo does not link to foo-reference

[Jonas Stein]

foo
creates a javascript link that opens a new small window with the 
reference list inside.

It would be nice, if it would open the corresponding page.
like 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/foo

is that possible?

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki: ConTeXt vs. LaTeX and others

[Philipp Gesang]

On 2010-11-04 <15:18:24>, Jonas Stein wrote:
> for many users it is interesting, to get an overview
> how problems are solved in ConTeXt compared to the other
> TeX-Flavours.
> 
> I like the wikimatrix for Wikis and i thought it could be 
> nice to have a simple matrix for TeX.
> 
> I started a table in the wiki to collect this knowledge [2], 
> but i am not very happy with this table yet.
> 
> Perhaps do you have ideas, how to improve it?

Hi Jonas,

thanks for extending the wiki. For a start I’d like to recommend
two things:

(1) as this comparison might grow rather large, so I guess it
deserves its own page and a catchy lemma under which you
would expect this information to be found;

(2) the row ‘utf8 in text’ is ambiguous: concerning mkii and
latex2e the functionality depends on the tex engine used.
Maybe a subdivision of this row could clarify things?

Regards, Philipp



> 
> 
> [1] http://www.wikimatrix.org/
> [2] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/What_is_ConTeXt 
> and discussion on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Talk:What_is_ConTeXt
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki: ConTeXt vs. LaTeX and others

[Vedran Miletić]

2010/11/4 Aditya Mahajan 

> Perhaps do you have ideas, how to improve it?
>
> Perhaps a better way is to update (and wikify) Berend de Boer's LaTeX in
> proper ConTeXt.
>
> Aditya


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