Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
03/15/2015 10:37 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:07:57 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
I’m not sure whether this is clearer to me. It seems that your approach
enables indenting by setting vertical space in paragraphs.
I may be missing something, since I’d bet that the setups for notes
approach is clearer.
Didn't mean to confuse you, all you need is
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}] % no next
Many thanks for the explanation, Idris.
I forgot to add big to indenting in \setupnotation.
This was the reason why it didn’t work. And why setups aren’t needed there.
Best
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
On 03/15/2015 03:16 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
[...]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting=yes,next]
\setupfootnotedefinition[before={\setupindenting[big,yes]}]
will give me what I want. But can anyone explain why *both* commands are
needed? Toggling these two commands doesn't work.
Hi Idris,
this does what you need:
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\startsetups[footnote:indenting]
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\stopsetups
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnote[footnote][setups=footnote:indenting]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting=yes,next]
\starttext
\startsubject[title=Indentation Within a Footnote]
\input ward
\startfootnote
\input ward
\input ward
\input ward
\stopfootnote
The explanation (you are a ConTeXt expert and I’m only a long-term
newbie :-)) is that setups are required.
Setups belong to \setupnote and indenting belongs to \setupnotation.
I hope it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 07:42:11 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
isha...@colostate.edu wrote:
Dear gang,
In the attached example: For a given footnote I would like for the first
line of each paragraph after paragraph one to be indented. What do I need
to do to get this right? Thanks in advance, and
Best wishes
Idris
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnotation[footnote][command={\setupindenting[big,yes]},indenting=yes,next]
\starttext
\startsubject[title=Indentation Within a Footnote]
\input ward
\startfootnote
\input ward
\input ward
\input ward
\stopfootnote
\input ward
\stopsubject
\stoptext
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting=yes,next]
\setupfootnotedefinition[before={\setupindenting[big,yes]}]
will give me what I want. But can anyone explain why *both* commands are
needed? Toggling these two commands doesn't work.
Best wishes
Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
Hi Pablo,
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:24:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:
Changing indenting to {yes, next} only the third
paragraph in the footnote is indented.
My guess is that the first next is already hardwired into the footnote
mechanism. If you remove the next it should work. So this works here:
% \setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big,next}]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}]
When I had the next I got the same result as you.
Best wishes
Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
Am 15.03.2015 um 14:42 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
isha...@colostate.edu:
Dear gang,
In the attached example: For a given footnote I would like for the first line
of each paragraph after paragraph one to be indented. What do I need to do to
get this right? Thanks in advance, and
Best wishes
Idris
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnotation[footnote][command={\setupindenting[big,yes]},indenting=yes,next]
1. You have to put braces around the arguments for the indenting key.
2. Change the notation setup to \setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}]
because notes ignore the global indent value.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
Hi Pablo,
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:29:25 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:
On 03/15/2015 03:16 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
[...]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting=yes,next]
\setupfootnotedefinition[before={\setupindenting[big,yes]}]
will give me what I want. But can anyone explain why *both* commands are
needed? Toggling these two commands doesn't work.
snip
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\startsetups[footnote:indenting]
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\stopsetups
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnote[footnote][setups=footnote:indenting]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting=yes,next]
Fortunately, it's much easier that that ;-)
% Argument to after= controls vertical space between notes
\setupnotation
[footnote][before={\setupwhitespace[big]},indenting={yes,big},after={\blank[small]}]
As mentioned in the other email, the first next is apparently already
built in, no no need for it.
(you are a ConTeXt expert and I’m only a long-term newbie :-))
Well, all users are long-term ConTeXt newbies, now and forever... The only
exception is Wolfgang ;-)
And I still suspect Wolfgang is just Hans in disguise :D
Best wishes
Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
On 03/15/2015 05:55 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 15.03.2015 um 14:42 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد:
Dear gang,
In the attached example: For a given footnote I would like for the
first line of each paragraph after paragraph one to be indented. What do
I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance, and
Best wishes
Idris
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnotation[footnote][command={\setupindenting[big,yes]},indenting=yes,next]
1. You have to put braces around the arguments for the indenting key.
2. Change the notation setup to
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}] because notes ignore the
global indent value.
Hi Wolfgang,
with the following sample:
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\startsetups[footnote:indenting]
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\stopsetups
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnote[footnote][setups=footnote:indenting]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes}]
\starttext
\input ward\footnote{\dorecurse{3}{\input ward\par}}
\input ward
\stoptext
it works as expected. Changing indenting to {yes, next} only the third
paragraph in the footnote is indented.
Isn’t it a bug?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
Am 15.03.2015 um 19:19 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
isha...@colostate.edu:
Hi Pablo,
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:24:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:
Changing indenting to {yes, next} only the third
paragraph in the footnote is indented.
My guess is that the first next is already hardwired into the footnote
mechanism. If you remove the next it should work. So this works here:
% \setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big,next}]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}]
When I had the next I got the same result as you.
I will show below the reason for the unexpected behaviour of the next keyword.
What you should
keep in mind is that context uses the same mechanism for enumerations,
description and note
entries.
In older versions of the mechanism indentation was set before the title and
content where placed
but this produces unwanted results when you used the “next” keyword because the
title itself
was recognised as first paragraph (see page 1). After moving the indentation
setting between
the title and the content (see page 2) the “next” keyword produced the expected
output.
The problem is now when make the title part of the first paragraph because the
indentation
is changed until we start the second paragraph and the “next” keyword applies
now to the third
paragraph.
begin example
\setuppapersize[A5]
\starttext
% Page 1
\start \setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\input knuth
\stop
\page
% Page 2
\start
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\input knuth
\stop
\page
% Page 3
\start
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\input knuth
\stop
\stoptext
end example
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:07:57 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:
I’m not sure whether this is clearer to me. It seems that your approach
enables indenting by setting vertical space in paragraphs.
I may be missing something, since I’d bet that the setups for notes
approach is clearer.
Didn't mean to confuse you, all you need is
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}] % no next
The other two options were just to show other things you could do with
\setupnotation. Thanks again for your help and
Best wishes
Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:43:47 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 15.03.2015 um 19:19 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
isha...@colostate.edu:
Hi Pablo,
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:24:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es
wrote:
Changing indenting to {yes, next} only the third
paragraph in the footnote is indented.
My guess is that the first next is already hardwired into the
footnote mechanism. If you remove the next it should work. So this
works here:
% \setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big,next}]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}]
When I had the next I got the same result as you.
I will show below the reason for the unexpected behaviour of the next
keyword. What you should
keep in mind is that context uses the same mechanism for enumerations,
description and note
entries.
In older versions of the mechanism indentation was set before the title
and content where placed
but this produces unwanted results when you used the “next” keyword
because the title itself
was recognised as first paragraph (see page 1). After moving the
indentation setting between
the title and the content (see page 2) the “next” keyword produced the
expected output.
The problem is now when make the title part of the first paragraph
because the indentation
is changed until we start the second paragraph and the “next” keyword
applies now to the third
paragraph.
begin example
\setuppapersize[A5]
\starttext
% Page 1
\start \setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\input knuth
\stop
\page
% Page 2
\start
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\input knuth
\stop
\page
% Page 3
\start
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\input knuth
\stop
\stoptext
end example
Thanks, Wolfgang -- or is it Hans? ;-) -- for this very instructive
example!
I just made one change: \noindentation instead of \noindent (my
understanding is that we're supposed to avoid very low-level indenting
commands).
So the first paragraph of a footnote insertion contains an implicit title,
or does the footnote numeral function as title? Anyway, very interesting!
Thanks again and
Best wishes
Idris
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Professor of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
On 03/15/2015 07:36 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:29:25 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 03/15/2015 03:16 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
[...]
will give me what I want. But can anyone explain why *both* commands are
needed? Toggling these two commands doesn't work.
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\startsetups[footnote:indenting]
\setupindenting[big,yes]
\stopsetups
\setupheads[indentnext=no]
\setupnote[footnote][setups=footnote:indenting]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting=yes,next]
Fortunately, it's much easier that that ;-)
% Argument to after= controls vertical space between notes
\setupnotation
[footnote][before={\setupwhitespace[big]},indenting={yes,big},after={\blank[small]}]
Hi Idris,
I’m not sure whether this is clearer to me. It seems that your approach
enables indenting by setting vertical space in paragraphs.
I may be missing something, since I’d bet that the setups for notes
approach is clearer.
(you are a ConTeXt expert and I’m only a long-term newbie :-))
Well, all users are long-term ConTeXt newbies, now and forever... The only
exception is Wolfgang ;-)
And I still suspect Wolfgang is just Hans in disguise :D
Good point.
It is Hans in his Superman disguise , :D.
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
And I still suspect Wolfgang is just Hans in disguise :D It is Hans in his Superman disguise , :D. The ConTeXt meetings are a great opportunity to ask BOTH Hans and Wolfgang everything that you might have wanted to know about ConTeXt (and were afraid to ask on the mailing list). Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Indentation within footnotes
Am 15.03.2015 um 22:58 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
isha...@colostate.edu:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:43:47 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com mailto:schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 15.03.2015 um 19:19 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
isha...@colostate.edu:
Hi Pablo,
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:24:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:
Changing indenting to {yes, next} only the third
paragraph in the footnote is indented.
My guess is that the first next is already hardwired into the footnote
mechanism. If you remove the next it should work. So this works here:
% \setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big,next}]
\setupnotation[footnote][indenting={yes,big}]
When I had the next I got the same result as you.
I will show below the reason for the unexpected behaviour of the next
keyword. What you should
keep in mind is that context uses the same mechanism for enumerations,
description and note
entries.
In older versions of the mechanism indentation was set before the title and
content where placed
but this produces unwanted results when you used the “next” keyword because
the title itself
was recognised as first paragraph (see page 1). After moving the indentation
setting between
the title and the content (see page 2) the “next” keyword produced the
expected output.
The problem is now when make the title part of the first paragraph because
the indentation
is changed until we start the second paragraph and the “next” keyword
applies now to the third
paragraph.
begin example
\setuppapersize[A5]
\starttext
% Page 1
\start \setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\input knuth
\stop
\page
% Page 2
\start
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\input knuth
\stop
\page
% Page 3
\start
\noindent{\bf Description Title}
\setupindenting[yes,medium,next]
\input knuth
\stop
\stoptext
end example
Thanks, Wolfgang -- or is it Hans? ;-) -- for this very instructive example!
I just made one change: \noindentation instead of \noindent (my understanding
is that we're supposed to avoid very low-level indenting commands).
So the first paragraph of a footnote insertion contains an implicit title, or
does the footnote numeral function as title? Anyway, very interesting!
The footnote number is placed as title.
Wolfgang
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