On 13 Nov 2009 at 12:16, John Aldrich wrote:
It appears that with Icewarp you have to buy each part individually. If you
want to use Outlook, you have to buy a plugin for that. If you want A/D
connection, there's a plugin to buy for that. At least it appears that way.
With Kerio, there are
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*Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2009 8:46 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: Mail server software
You can have additional DCs but SBS\EBS has to hold all the FSMO roles…
Shook
*From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
*Sent
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Jim Majorowiczjmajorow...@gmail.com wrote:
Exchange can be backed up natively from NTBackup quite nicely ...
Curious, as I haven't looked into this yet: What about Server 2008
and later? NTBACKUP has gone away. Are the replacements worth a
damn? I know the
?
John-AldrichTile-Tools
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Your problem, John, is you've discounted, arguably, the best product on the
market based on 10 year old technology
EBS:
http://www.microsoft.com/ebs/en/us/default.aspx
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: 20 August 2009 14:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
EBS? Not familiar with that term. Can you explain? Still... considering
the cost
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server
Essential Business Server which is Microsoft's new-ish mid-market solution
similar to SBS for small companies.
TVK
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
EBS? Not familiar
Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
The new server backup utility BLOWS DONKEYS! You can't backup to a UNC path -
you can backup to a USB drive (I'm already doing this with NT Backup) but that
doesn't help me with it when it's running in a VM.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
The key may be R2 vs 'original' Server 2008.
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Huh?
Win2k8 R2 Windows Backup is better because it goes back to granular
level
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From: Ken Schaefer
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Thu Aug 20 11:47:42 2009
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Huh?
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Win2k8 R2 Windows Backup is better
: RE: Mail server software
The new server backup utility BLOWS DONKEYS! You can't backup to a UNC path
- you can backup to a USB drive (I'm already doing this with NT Backup) but
that doesn't help me with it when it's running in a VM.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
The new server backup utility BLOWS DONKEYS!
You can't backup to a UNC path ...
Sounds like it's just like Vista, then. The one that came with Vista:
You can't even select/exclude individual files or folders. It's all
Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
The new server backup utility BLOWS DONKEYS! You can't backup to a UNC path -
you can backup to a USB drive (I'm already doing this with NT Backup) but that
doesn't help me with it when it's running in a VM.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
I have the native backup in 2008 doing live backups of 6 VM's backups take
about 9 to 10 hours and are getting something like 760GB of data to a Lacie
1TB hard drive. Restores are more of a challenge but I am still trying to
learn the new way to do things on that server as far as backup.
Jon
On
System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: Mail server software
Huh?
Win2k8 R2 Windows Backup is better because it goes back to granular level
backup (not just a whole volume at a time)
-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 9
-server-back
up-features-in-windows-server-2008-r2.html
From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
Nope it is there in original 2008 as well.
Jon
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:50 AM
: Thu Aug 20 13:41:39 2009
Subject: Re: Mail server software
Nope it is there in original 2008 as well.
Jon
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Richard Stovall
richard.stov...@researchdata.commailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com
wrote:
The key may be R2 vsoriginal��� Server 2008.
From
System Admin Issues
*Sent*: Thu Aug 20 13:41:39 2009
*Subject*: Re: Mail server software
Nope it is there in original 2008 as well.
Jon
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Richard Stovall
richard.stov...@researchdata.com wrote:
The key may be R2 vÿÿâÿ˜originaÿÿ€™ Server 2008.
*From
Outlook 2010 rocks though! :) Getting Calendar reminders from multiple Exchange
mailboxes is just plain awesome!!!
Tim
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Essential Business
Yes you do. It's called Deleted Items Retention.
-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Yes, but you don't have any way to restore *just one message
Or BackupExec can now do this. (Say it was purged from deleted items).
-Original Message-
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Yes you do. It's called Deleted Items
priced that
as a solution?
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
I agree, I did not articulate my requirements very well. However, I
ass-u-med that any admin in their right
And I didn't even mention that Exchange 2010 doesn't even need OUTLOOK!
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Your problem, John, is you've discounted, arguably, the best
Ben, while I understand what you're saying, the fact is that:
--- More and more enterprise software is headed in this direction of
black-box composition
--- We don't actually own the software. We own a license to use it
--- There are less people that need/want to get into the guts, and more
Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:45 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
If they choose to ignor what I instruct them
to do how is that not stupid?
If it's
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:50 AM, John Cookjohn.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
I'm sure you've gone on a rant once or twice about how stupid
someone was for doing something they know better than to do.
Er. Um. Who me? ;-)
Okay, guilty as charged.
I don't think being able to restore any (as in
these last couple of
years ...
Erik Goldoff
IT Consultant
Systems, Networks, Security
-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
I take the time to teach and empower
For Strong Families
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- Original Message -
From: Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tue Aug 18 11:33:38 2009
Subject: RE: Mail server software
...I take the time to teach and empower my
of adhering
to the exception rules that were applied.
TVK
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Comparing Exchange today (especially vNext) to 5.5 is a really inappropriate
comparison
keeping things
going :)
Dave jack of all trades, master of zilch Lum
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Agreed. Exchange 5.5 and Exchange 2007 are completely different beasts
Used Mdaemon in the past and was happy with in. Good spam filtering
also.
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Mail server software
If you don't want to pay the
Just curious - why not Exchange?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
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From: John Aldrich
I used Icewarp in the past, the features were not as good as Exchange. However
basically we stopped using it several years ago. We still have an icewarp
server but that is for sending out mail from systems. I found the software
very stable, in the years we used it we never had any problems
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Fax (352) 393-2746
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From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Just curious - why not Exchange?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership
You're already looking at Kerio, so I would also recommend SmarterMail...
http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail/Features/Windows-Mail-Server-Software-Webmail-Exchange-Alternative.aspx
-ASB
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
wrote:
If you don’t
How about Scalix?
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
You're already looking at Kerio, so I would also recommend
SmarterMail...
http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Sorry hit the send too quick. Is Exchange so expensive it isn't worth getting
the extra features or is yours just a small shop? Hosted Exchange?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352
]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Just curious - why not Exchange?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215
PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Sorry hit the send too quick. Is Exchange so expensive it isn't worth
getting the extra features or is yours just a small shop? Hosted
Exchange?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Used Mdaemon in the past and was happy with in. Good spam filtering also.
--
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:54 AM
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/outlook_sync.html
Sounds like this does everything you asked for except for the AD
integration. But depending on a couple things that may not matter with this
implementation.
--
Mike Gill
From: John Aldrich
and
windows logon.
John-AldrichTile-Tools
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
You're already looking at Kerio, so I would also recommend SmarterMail...
http://www.smartertools.com
) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Price, mainly... and some of the problems
]
*Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 12:06 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: Mail server software
Just curious – why not Exchange?
*John W. Cook*
*Systems Administrator*
*Partnership For Strong Families*
*315 SE 2nd Ave*
*Gainesville, Fl 32601*
*Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/outlook_sync.html
Sounds like this does everything you asked for except for the AD
integration. But depending on a couple things that may not matter with this
implementation.
--
Mike Gill
From
: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:41 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Mail server software
Price, mainly… and some of the problems Exchange has, like the Jet database (AIUI, they still have not done away with the Jet database!) and all the proprietary technology behind it. One of the features I
, 2009 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Price, mainly... and some of the problems Exchange has, like the Jet database
(AIUI, they still have not done away with the Jet database!) and all the
proprietary technology behind it. One of the features I like about some
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Desmondbr...@briandesmond.com wrote:
What’s the problem with the database engine? There’s been a massive amount
of engineering work in that space – I don’t expect it’s going anywhere.
I can't speak for the OP... but the fact that the Exchange IS is a
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
What's the problem with the database engine? There's been a massive amount
of engineering work in that space - I don't expect it's going
Sorry, I didn't read that part of your mind. I see no in-house as you
quoted. :\
--
Mike Gill
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Did you miss the part about
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Desmondbr...@briandesmond.com
wrote:
What's the problem with the database engine? There's been a massive amount
of engineering work
I'm in the same boat.
I've been evaluating SmarterMail and Mailenable
(http://www.mailenable.com/). Both seem capable (but I dont have the AD
requirement - although Mailenable claims to do it.) We're moving from an old
version of IMail.
So far I like the interface for SmarterMail better but
...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Exactly! That's one of my concerns... Antivirus has to be told to
overlook
certain directories and you have to have an exchange-aware antivirus
or
buy a special plugin
Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Desmondbr...@briandesmond.com wrote:
What's the problem with the database engine? There's been
Problem may start with 1 gb storage.
It's llke Titanik - single and big
I prefer OE on XP and specially Win Mail on Vista - each message in separate
.eml file
Anatoly Podgoretsky
http://www.podgoretsky.com
- Original Message -
From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
To: NT
...@canbyfoursquare.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Sorry, I didn't read that part of your mind. I see no in-house as you
quoted. :\
--
Mike Gill
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Exactly! That's one of my concerns... Antivirus has to be told to overlook
certain directories and you have to have an exchange-aware antivirus or
buy a special plugin for the antivirus to allow it to scan the Exchange
DB. AFAIK, most
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM, John
Aldrichjaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:
Antivirus has to be told to overlook certain directories and you have
to have an exchange-aware antivirus or buy a special plugin for
the antivirus to allow it to scan the Exchange DB.
That's going to be true
Have you looked into Microsoft's hosted services model? All the
benefits of Exchange without having to maintain the thing.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John
Aldrichjaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:
If you don’t want to pay the cost of Exchange, what software would you get
that has pretty
Zimbra, OSER and Scalix are the usual suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:53, John Aldrichjaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote:
If you don’t want to pay the cost of Exchange, what software would you get
that has pretty much the same functionality as Exchange, including the
following:
1)
Sorry - meant to say they are the usual Open Source suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Zimbra, OSER and Scalix are the usual suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:53, John Aldrichjaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
wrote:
If you don’t want to pay the cost
Sorry... I neglected to mention, we're wanting to bring email in-house so we
*don't* have hosted email. :-)
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Garmon [mailto:bryan.gar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
Have
Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Not to discount what you know about Exchange but...
1. I don't think any DB should be scanned by an AV program that doesn't
recognize
-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Not to discount what you know about Exchange but...
1. I don't think any DB should be scanned by an AV program that doesn't
recognize
Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
Sorry - meant to say they are the usual Open Source suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Zimbra, OSER and Scalix are the usual suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:53, John Aldrichjaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
wrote
...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Yes, but you don't have any way to restore *just one message* with NTBackup.
:-) Agree that I should have been a bit more specific... If you want to be
able to back up mailbox
John, this post is a peach!!!
-Original Message-
From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Anyone in their right mind would host any business centric email on a platform
outside
:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
Sorry - meant to say they are the usual Open Source suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Zimbra, OSER and Scalix are the usual suspects.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:53, John
Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Not to discount what you know about Exchange but...
1. I don't think any DB should be scanned by an AV program that doesn't
recognize
System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Yes, but you don't have any way to restore *just one message* with
NTBackup.
:-) Agree that I should have been a bit more specific... If you want to
be
able to back up mailbox by mailbox, etc. you have to pay to play with
Exchange. Other email
17, 2009 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
Problem may start with 1 gb storage.
It's llke Titanik - single and big
I prefer OE on XP and specially Win Mail on Vista - each message in separate
.eml file
Anatoly Podgoretsky
http://www.podgoretsky.com
: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Yes, but you don't have any way to restore *just one message* with
NTBackup.
:-) Agree that I should have been a bit more specific... If you want
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM, John Bowles john.bow...@wlkmmas.org wrote:
Anyone in their right mind would host any business centric email on a
platform outside of Exchange, Lotus or Sendmail is just asking for trouble.
That much resistance to change is not a healthy attitude for any
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
It's called Dumpster always on and restore deleted items
in OWA and if they need an email they deleted past the retention
window then it falls under the I can't save you from your own stupidity
heading.
Meanwhile, another
Blackberry in the Cloud
- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Mon Aug 17 18:05:24 2009
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
It's called
...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
I agree, I did not articulate my requirements very well. However, I ass-u-med
that any admin in their right mind would want to be able to back up their mail
server. Maybe it's just me??? Same
Exchange in a Cloud?
== John ==
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Comparing Exchange today (especially vNext) to 5.5 is a really
inappropriate comparison. The product
Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Honestly, this wasn’t a ‘bug’ that needed fixing, and I don’t think I would
have had a problem doing it, but they had no problem with doing this, and he
was on the phone for a lot longer than I would think the cost of the onetime
critical ticket
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
Sure, I get the point ...
I'm not sure you do...
... it all boils down to storage.
Or design.
The inability to easily restore a single mailbox is not a good
thing. Maybe there are tech trade-offs that make that
Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
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- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Mon Aug 17 20:09:52 2009
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17
and label it.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
I continuously coach users on filing anything
Ultimately, it's a factor of single-instance storage. The various add-on
products that facilitate the restore of a single mailbox, by and large, undo
single-instance storage.
-ASB
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
The inability to easily restore a
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Desmondbr...@briandesmond.com wrote:
What's the problem with the database engine? There's been a massive
amount of engineering work in that space - I don't expect it's going anywhere.
I can't speak
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
Hmm - do you use a DBMS (like SQL Server or Oracle) as well?
Actually, not really. We're small. (There's a couple MSDE
instances, and a Firebird instance, all in support of various
applications, but they're more
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Andrew S. Bakerasbz...@gmail.com wrote:
Ultimately, it's a factor of single-instance storage.
It seems to me that, in the general case, it should be possible to
have both SIS and individual element restores. Assume SIS is
implemented as a reference counted
-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mail server software
Hmm - do you use a DBMS (like SQL Server or Oracle) as well? Most of
those are binary blobs. Or do you prefer a DBMS that stores
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:45 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:
If they choose to ignor what I instruct them
to do how is that not stupid?
If it's simply a question of not following instructions, perhaps.
I may have been taking your comments in broader context than you
intended. This
- http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/
Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote:
The fact that you can't edit an ESE database is _good_.
On this, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm of the opinion that if I own something, I should be able to do
anything I want with it, including break it. I
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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
Hmm - do you use a DBMS (like SQL Server or Oracle) as well?
Actually, not really. We're small. (There's
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote:
The fact that you can't edit an ESE database is _good_.
On this, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm of the opinion that if I own something, I
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