Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: I admit to a certain curiosity about your own

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Charles R Harris

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 06:03:25AM -0600, Charles R Harris wrote: Well, you have already appealed to the authority of greater experience, so it's a bit late to declare disinterest in the subject ;) I mean, at this point I really would like to see how big your FOSS is. Chuck, I am not sure that

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: That is one of the reasons that the smaller scikits attract people, they have more freedom to do what they want and fewer people to answer to. Scipy also has some of that advantage because there are a number of

[Numpy-discussion] A crazy masked-array thought

2012-04-25 Thread Richard Hattersley
The masked array discussions have brought up all sorts of interesting topics - too many to usefully list here - but there's one aspect I haven't spotted yet. Perhaps that's because it's flat out wrong, or crazy, or just too awkward to be helpful. But ... Shouldn't masked arrays (MA) be a

[Numpy-discussion] linalg.lstsq

2012-04-25 Thread Till Stensitzki
Hello, is there weighted version of linalg.lstsq available? In my case, b is a (N,K) matrix, so i can't use manual scaling of x and b. greetings Till ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Travis Oliphant
I don't agree here. People work on open source to scratch an itch, so the process of making a contribution needs to be easy. Widespread veto makes it more difficult and instead of opening up the process, closes it down. There is less freedom, not more. That is one of the reasons that the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] linalg.lstsq

2012-04-25 Thread Skipper Seabold
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Till Stensitzki mail.t...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, is there weighted version of linalg.lstsq available? In my case, b is a (N,K) matrix, so i can't use manual scaling of x and b. What shape are the weights in this case? I'm not that familiar with problems with an

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: I don't agree here. People work on open source to scratch an itch, so the process of making a contribution needs to be easy. Widespread veto makes it more difficult and instead of opening up the process, closes it

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Andreas H.
Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in recruiting and maintaining new developers compared to its large user-base? Compared to - say - Sympy? Why do you think this is? I don't know about SymPy. But in my view (and I'm just a typical user of NumPy), numpy seems to be at the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 4/25/2012 4:51 PM, Andreas H. wrote: I would assume that most users see numpy as infrastructure, they write their own code on top of it. As a normal user of numpy, I wouldn't know where it would need improvement to suit my needs because it already does all I need. (Okay, masked arrays are

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Adam Hughes
I too have to agree with Andreas. I have been using Numpy for years in my work, but am not versed in C so I don't even understand what numpy is doing under the hood. I too would only be able to contribute to the code at the python level, or as Andreas said, at improving SciPy packages and other

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Travis Oliphant
Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in recruiting and maintaining new developers compared to its large user-base? Compared to - say - Sympy? Why do you think this is? I think it's mostly because it's infrastructure that is a means to an end. I certainly wasn't

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in recruiting and maintaining new developers compared to its large user-base? Compared to - say - Sympy? Why do you think this is? I think it's mostly

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread josef . pktd
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in recruiting and maintaining new developers compared to its large user-base?

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Benjamin Root
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Matthew Brett wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.iojavascript:; wrote: Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in recruiting and maintaining new developers compared to its large user-base?

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: I don't agree here. People work on open source to scratch an itch, so the process of making a contribution needs to be easy.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread David Cournapeau
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in recruiting and maintaining new developers compared to its large

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: Do you agree that Numpy has not been very successful in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread josef . pktd
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM,  josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Travis Oliphant

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:18 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: Except for the big changes like NA and datetime, I think the debate is pretty boring. The main problem that I see for discussing technical issues is whether there are many developers really interested in commenting on code and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Benjamin Root
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Travis Oliphant wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:18 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Except for the big changes like NA and datetime, I think the debate is pretty boring. The main problem that I see for discussing technical issues is whether

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Jason Grout
On 4/25/12 8:11 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:18 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: Except for the big changes like NA and datetime, I think the debate is pretty boring. The main problem that I see for discussing technical issues is whether there are many developers really

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Puneeth Chaganti
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: [snip] It would be nice if every pull request created a message to this list.    Is that even possible? That is definitely possible and shouldn't be too hard to do, like Jason said. But that can potentially cause

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Jason Grout
On 4/25/12 11:08 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Travis Oliphanttra...@continuum.io wrote: [snip] It would be nice if every pull request created a message to this list.Is that even possible? That is definitely possible and shouldn't be too hard to do, like

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread srean
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Puneeth Chaganti puncha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: [snip] It would be nice if every pull request created a message to this list.    Is that even possible? That is definitely possible and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-25 Thread Fernando Perez
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: It would be nice if every pull request created a message to this list.  Is that even possible? -Travis This ha been a concern of mine for matplotlib as well.  The closest I can come is to set up an RSS feed, but all the