Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

Thanks I did not realize rules are so loose Definitely improvements needed 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Richard Guthrie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the named 
> species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when it comes 
> to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck species found in 
> New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may take  4 long-tailed 
> ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter may take up to 6 
> Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon, Smews, or any 
> combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would like one or more 
> of those rarities for their trophy wall. 
> 
> Rules need to be amended.
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn  
>> wrote:
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
>> Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left 
>> the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
 
>>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect 
>>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping 
>>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation 
>>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one 
>>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting 
>>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY 
>>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
>>> 
>>> Birds rise above it all
>>> 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
> wrote:
> 
 
 With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
 Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
 photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
 End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
 media platform until the end of the season.
 
 It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
 the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
 ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
 Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
 we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
 King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if 
 so, extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
 
 The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, 
 from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar 
 for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want 
 war with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody 
 knows the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it 
 seems a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of 
 danger. 
 
 We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
 White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
 areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the 
 geese seem to have moved on. 
 
 Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
 the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
 the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 
 the DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
 
 By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
 birds and get to enjoy them longer.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Best,
 
 Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
 Bay Shore
 
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Elliotte Rusty Harold]

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:12 PM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
>
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
>

Agreed on Facebook, this listserv, etc. However eBird should be
addressed by Cornell. I think they already have the capability to mark
species or locations as sensitive. There's no reason to rely on
hundreds of disconnected individuals changing their behavior in an
unintuitive way when instead it can be fixed once at the source. Has
anyone pointed out the problem to the relevant folks at Cornell? m

-- 
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[nysbirds-l] Pink-footed Goose in Dutchess County Jan. 14th

[Richard Guthrie]

A PINK-FOOTED GOOSE was seen by many and photographed at the Hudson Valley Rail 
Trail parking area off Diddel Road, Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County. 

Rich Guthrie 


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[nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Ulster County. Wednesday

[Richard Guthrie]

Scenic Hudson’s Esopus Meadows Preserve. Just reported today. With Eastern 
Bluebirds by the portable restrooms. 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Ulster County. Wednesday

[David Chernack]

To clarify, the bird was photographed (quite beautifully in fact) by Jim
Yates yesterday, Thursday January 13th, at Esopus Meadows. Jim posted his
photos to the "What's this bird?" Facebook page this evening to ascertain
the ID, hence the delayed report. No eBird reports were submitted from
Esopus Meadows today... although I suspect there may be a significant
number submitted tomorrow. Here's hoping that the bird is still around.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 8:22 PM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> Scenic Hudson’s Esopus Meadows Preserve. Just reported today. With Eastern
> Bluebirds by the portable restrooms.
>
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[nysbirds-l] NYC Area RBA: 14 January 2022

[Gail Benson]

-RBA
* New York
* New York City, Long Island, Westchester County
* Jan. 14, 2022
* NYNY2201.14

- Birds Mentioned

PINK-FOOTED GOOSE+
WESTERN TANAGER+
(+ Details requested by NYSARC)

GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE
Cackling Goose
EURASIAN WIGEON
KING EIDER
BARROW’S GOLDENEYE
Red-necked Grebe
Common Gallinule
Long-billed Dowitcher
DOVEKIE
Razorbill
BLACK-LEGGED KITTIWAKE
Bonaparte’s Gull
BLACK-HEADED GULL
ICELAND GULL
GLAUCOUS GULL
Northern Gannet
American Bittern
WESTERN KINGBIRD
Blue-headed Vireo
NORTHERN SHRIKE
CLAY-COLORED SPARROW
VESPER SPARROW

If followed by (+) please submit documentation of your report
electronically and use the NYSARC online submission form found at
http://www.nybirds.org/NYSARC/goodreport.htm

You can also send reports and digital image files via email to
nysarc44nybirdsorg

If electronic submission is not possible, hardcopy reports and photos
or sketches are welcome. Hardcopy documentation should be mailed to:

Gary Chapin - Secretary
NYS Avian Records Committee (NYSARC)
125 Pine Springs Drive
Ticonderoga, NY 12883

Hotline: New York City Area Rare Bird Alert
Number: (212) 979-3070

Compiler: Tom Burke
Coverage: New York City, Long Island, Westchester County

Transcriber:  Gail Benson

[~BEGIN RBA TAPE~]

Greetings! This is the New York Rare Bird Alert for Friday, January
14, 2022 at 11:00 pm.

The highlights of today’s tape are DOVEKIE, WESTERN TANAGER, WESTERN
KINGBIRD, NORTHERN SHRIKE, PINK-FOOTED and GREATER WHITE-FRONTED
GEESE, EURASIAN WIGEON, BARROW’S GOLDENEYE and KING EIDER,
BLACK-HEADED, GLAUCOUS and ICELAND GULLS, BLACK-LEGGED KITTIWAKE,
CLAY-COLORED and VESPER SPARROWS and more.

Last Sunday's rough weather paid dividends at Montauk Point, where
duck numbers remained low, but a productive offshore morning flight
did provide 9 DOVEKIES as well as 65 RAZORBILLS, 30 BLACK-LEGGED
KITTIWAKES, around 100 NORTHERN GANNETS and even 7 BONAPARTE’S GULLS,
quite scarce this winter.  Thursday morning there produced 23
RAZORBILLS and a couple of BLACK-LEGGED KITTIWAKES as well.

Also in the Montauk area, a WESTERN KINGBIRD, likely the bird found on
the Christmas count near West Lake Drive, was seen briefly both
Saturday and Sunday mornings along East Lake Drive near Little Reed
Pond.

Manhattan's two WESTERN TANAGERS were still in place this week, one at
Carl Schurz Park off East End Avenue around East 86th Street, and the
other near private Clinton Community Garden around West 48th Street
east of 10th Avenue.

A NORTHERN STRIKE also continues at the North Fork Preserve out in
Northville on the north side of Sound Avenue, but this bird can be
quite elusive.

Among the waterfowl, a GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE continues to visit
Tung Ting Pond in Centerport, and the lower Westchester bird was on
Playland Lake in Rye today, but more unusual was a PINK-FOOTED GOOSE
that's been visiting a small pond on the Stony Brook University campus
since Monday.  A few CACKLING GEESE are also around.

A drake EURASIAN WIGEON continues to be seen on the mostly frozen Mill
Pond in Oyster Bay, with another continuing on Patchogue Lake.  Still
present, too, are a drake BARROW’S GOLDENEYE off Crab Meadow Beach in
Fort Salonga and drake KING EIDERS at Great Kills Park on Staten
Island and around Shinnecock Inlet.

An adult BLACK-HEADED GULL was still in the vicinity of the bar off
the Jones Beach West End Coast Guard Station at least to Wednesday,
and another BLACK-HEADED was spotted from the Veterans Memorial Pier
in Brooklyn on Tuesday.  GLAUCOUS GULLS were noted on Central Park
reservoir and at Randall's Island during the week, with Randall's
Island also producing a couple of ICELAND GULLS Saturday, with other
ICELANDS seen today on Prospect Park Lake and at Sheepshead Bay in
Brooklyn.

Other interesting non-passerines featured RED-NECKED GREBE at Culloden
Point in Montauk Sunday and at Orient Point Wednesday, a COMMON
GALLINULE continuing at Mill Pond Park in Bellmore, four LONG-BILLED
DOWITCHERS Tuesday at Santapogue Creek in West Babylon, and AMERICAN
BITTERN along Dune Road.

A BLUE-HEADED VIREO was seen Monday at Floyd Bennett Field, and a
CLAY-COLORED SPARROW along with a few VESPER SPARROWS were both still
present at the Suffolk County Farm and Education Center off Yaphank
Avenue yesterday.

To phone in reports call Tom Burke at (914) 967-4922.

This service is sponsored by the Linnaean Society of New York and the
National Audubon Society.  Thank you for calling.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Patricia Lindsay]

Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
issue.

Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).

Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
something they consider important enough to consider.

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.

All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.

Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
wrote:

> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
> spread the word?
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Adelia Honeywood]

Long Island's waterfowl hunting season ends on January 30th except for Snow 
Geese which is until March 6th. After January 30th should we still exercise 
these precautions with eBird? Should we wait until March 6th if people hunting 
Snow Geese might go for other geese species?
(I look up the season dates every year and avoid going to Jones Beach until the 
duck season is over ...)
ThanksAdelia
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:30 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
wrote:   Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few 
east end folks that are not on the list
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

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On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC website 
so apparently were taken illegally. 

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
and get to 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few east
end folks that are not on the list

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately
> after reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is
> more local.
>
> Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be
> reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
>
> Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites
> and groups.
>
> Best,
>
> 
> “Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but
> manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
>
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
>
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
>
> (") _ (")
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
>
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
> issue.
>
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected
> to mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second
> email asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various
> other social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
>
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
> purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
> something they consider important enough to consider.
>
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
>
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
> on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
> can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
> misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
> down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
> field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
> all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
>
> Patricia Lindsay
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
>> spread the word?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>>
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to
>>> eBird, the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese
>>> (and ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>>
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>>
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>>> seem to have moved on.
>>>
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>>
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>>
>>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Andrew Baksh]

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.

Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.

Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.

Best,


“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
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> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[John Kent]

DEC police dispatch is 844.332.3267, or 844-DEC-ECOS.

John Kent
Selkirk

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Ulster County. Wednesday

[Richard Guthrie]

Reported on eBird as having been found on Tuesday, January 11th. 

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:42 PM, David Chernack  wrote:
> 
> 
> To clarify, the bird was photographed (quite beautifully in fact) by Jim 
> Yates yesterday, Thursday January 13th, at Esopus Meadows. Jim posted his 
> photos to the "What's this bird?" Facebook page this evening to ascertain the 
> ID, hence the delayed report. No eBird reports were submitted from Esopus 
> Meadows today... although I suspect there may be a significant number 
> submitted tomorrow. Here's hoping that the bird is still around. 
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 8:22 PM Richard Guthrie  
>> wrote:
>> Scenic Hudson’s Esopus Meadows Preserve. Just reported today. With Eastern 
>> Bluebirds by the portable restrooms. 
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Leslie Fiske]

Here's the link with all the details on this hunting season's  regulations

https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:03 AM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
> named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
> it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
> species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
> take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that
> hunter may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian
> Wigeon, Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters
> would like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.
>
> Rules need to be amended.
>
> Rich Guthrie
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
>> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
>> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>>
>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>>
>> Birds rise above it all
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Richard Guthrie]

The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter
may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon,
Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would
like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.

Rules need to be amended.

Rich Guthrie

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
wrote:

> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
> Eileen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>
> Birds rise above it all
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
> media platform until the end of the season.
>
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
> seem to have moved on.
>
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Best,
>
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Eileen Schwinn]

I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left the 
sandbar when a small boat approached.
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
> 
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
> geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
> out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
> some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
> war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down 
> there as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be 
> oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
> 
> Birds rise above it all
> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End 
>> of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media 
>> platform until the end of the season.
>> 
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
>> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
>> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
>> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
>> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
>> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>> 
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with 
>> the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the 
>> very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a 
>> shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>> 
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>> seem to have moved on. 
>> 
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
>> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
>> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
>> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>> 
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>> 
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>> 
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[nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Patricia Lindsay]

 With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
media platform until the end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.

The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for
Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
seem to have moved on.

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
birds and get to enjoy them longer.

Thanks for your consideration.

Best,

Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
Bay Shore

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down there 
as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be oblivious 
of e bird Good Luck 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
> 
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
> listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
> 
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
> Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
> hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
> limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame 
> that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
> 
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
> not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
> have moved on. 
> 
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
> 
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
> and get to enjoy them longer.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
> 
> 
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[nysbirds-l] N.Y. County, NYC - some Thurs., 1/13 sightings

[Tom Fiore]

New York County (in N.Y. City) including Manhattan, Randall’s Island, & 
Governors Island.

Thursday, Jan. 13th:

The 2 Western Tanagers continued in Manhattan’s east edge & west side areas, as 
previously noted - on some visits, patience may be needed to see either of 
these 2 birds.

Both Glaucous & Iceland Gull were seen from Randall’s Island, & 3 Snow Geese 
also continued there, as well as (seen by some, but not all visitors) Killdeer, 
American Pipit, Yellow-crowned Night-Heron, Belted Kingfisher, and a number of 
other species.  Great Blue Herons were seen in multiple locations, including a 
few flying around a bit and from the s. tip to the n. tip of Manhattan, as well 
as on & arouund both of the larger outlying islands of the county.  A 
Pied-billed Grebe popped up at the Inwood Hill Park (Muscota marsh) lagoon area 
at the n. end of Manhattan.  Killdeer also was present on Governors Island on 
Thursday.

Ovenbirds, Common Yellowthroat, and Orange-crowned Warbler were survivors of 
one cold-snap, but another 'quick-and-cold' one is coming shortly; at least 1 
Orange-crowned was within the grounds of Peter Cooper village east of First 
Ave., north of E. 20th St.; a Common Yellowthroat was in a small green-space on 
(eastern) Grand St. in lower Manhattan, and Ovenbirds were in at least 2 
locations in Manhattan, at Bryant Park (where there are also a couple of Gray 
Catbirds), and in a churchyard in the lower-east area.  Ongoing, esp. on 
Governors Island (at “the Hills”) were a small no. of Myrtle/Yellow-rumped 
Warblers.  

Some Turkey and Black Vultures were moving in the morning thru mid-afternoon 
hours as seen from the Hudson river shore area.   A Red-shouldered Hawk was 
seen again at Central Park, in the eastern part of the Ramble, and Bald Eagle 
again came around the Central Park reservoir, scaring up some of the birds 
there.   The no’s. of American Robins seemed to have dropped quickly (?) to 
more-usual no’s. for a mid-winter’s day, but were still rather widespread in 
the county. Very small no’s. of Cedar Waxwings have also been detected, after 
larger no’s. of the latter had still been passing through with some flocks 
lingering.  We still had at least some of both spp. of Kinglets in various 
locations, and it is actually less-common to have *wintering* Golden-crowned in 
any no’s., in N.Y. County than Ruby-crowned (In a lot of N.Y. state and New 
England, the opposite might be more-likely).  In contrast to a large no. of 
American Robins previously, Sheep Meadow in Central Park featured a gathering 
of many (Canada) geese in the afternoon.

In addition to recent Am. Robin passages, there also have been no’s. of 
Red-winged Blackbirds and Common Grackles showing up; all of these strike me as 
winter-wanderers and perhaps birds at last clearing out of some sites where the 
recent ice could have pushed them; I myself don’t see any of these as ‘early 
arrivals’.  Time will tell what is seen in coming weeks.  Duck no’s. were 
shifting a bit, esp. with so much frozen-over lately on waterbodies in Central 
Park, & we will see how it all looks after the upcoming cold-snap as well as 
next potential Sunday-night storm for the area.

good birding to all,

Tom Fiore
manhattan


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[nysbirds-l] N.Y. County, NYC - some Thurs., 1/13 sightings

[Tom Fiore]

New York County (in N.Y. City) including Manhattan, Randall’s Island, & 
Governors Island.

Thursday, Jan. 13th:

The 2 Western Tanagers continued in Manhattan’s east edge & west side areas, as 
previously noted - on some visits, patience may be needed to see either of 
these 2 birds.

Both Glaucous & Iceland Gull were seen from Randall’s Island, & 3 Snow Geese 
also continued there, as well as (seen by some, but not all visitors) Killdeer, 
American Pipit, Yellow-crowned Night-Heron, Belted Kingfisher, and a number of 
other species.  Great Blue Herons were seen in multiple locations, including a 
few flying around a bit and from the s. tip to the n. tip of Manhattan, as well 
as on & arouund both of the larger outlying islands of the county.  A 
Pied-billed Grebe popped up at the Inwood Hill Park (Muscota marsh) lagoon area 
at the n. end of Manhattan.  Killdeer also was present on Governors Island on 
Thursday.

Ovenbirds, Common Yellowthroat, and Orange-crowned Warbler were survivors of 
one cold-snap, but another 'quick-and-cold' one is coming shortly; at least 1 
Orange-crowned was within the grounds of Peter Cooper village east of First 
Ave., north of E. 20th St.; a Common Yellowthroat was in a small green-space on 
(eastern) Grand St. in lower Manhattan, and Ovenbirds were in at least 2 
locations in Manhattan, at Bryant Park (where there are also a couple of Gray 
Catbirds), and in a churchyard in the lower-east area.  Ongoing, esp. on 
Governors Island (at “the Hills”) were a small no. of Myrtle/Yellow-rumped 
Warblers.  

Some Turkey and Black Vultures were moving in the morning thru mid-afternoon 
hours as seen from the Hudson river shore area.   A Red-shouldered Hawk was 
seen again at Central Park, in the eastern part of the Ramble, and Bald Eagle 
again came around the Central Park reservoir, scaring up some of the birds 
there.   The no’s. of American Robins seemed to have dropped quickly (?) to 
more-usual no’s. for a mid-winter’s day, but were still rather widespread in 
the county. Very small no’s. of Cedar Waxwings have also been detected, after 
larger no’s. of the latter had still been passing through with some flocks 
lingering.  We still had at least some of both spp. of Kinglets in various 
locations, and it is actually less-common to have *wintering* Golden-crowned in 
any no’s., in N.Y. County than Ruby-crowned (In a lot of N.Y. state and New 
England, the opposite might be more-likely).  In contrast to a large no. of 
American Robins previously, Sheep Meadow in Central Park featured a gathering 
of many (Canada) geese in the afternoon.

In addition to recent Am. Robin passages, there also have been no’s. of 
Red-winged Blackbirds and Common Grackles showing up; all of these strike me as 
winter-wanderers and perhaps birds at last clearing out of some sites where the 
recent ice could have pushed them; I myself don’t see any of these as ‘early 
arrivals’.  Time will tell what is seen in coming weeks.  Duck no’s. were 
shifting a bit, esp. with so much frozen-over lately on waterbodies in Central 
Park, & we will see how it all looks after the upcoming cold-snap as well as 
next potential Sunday-night storm for the area.

good birding to all,

Tom Fiore
manhattan


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[nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Patricia Lindsay]

 With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
media platform until the end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.

The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for
Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
seem to have moved on.

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
birds and get to enjoy them longer.

Thanks for your consideration.

Best,

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Bay Shore

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down there 
as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be oblivious 
of e bird Good Luck 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
> 
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
> listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
> 
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
> Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
> hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
> limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame 
> that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
> 
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
> not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
> have moved on. 
> 
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
> 
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
> and get to enjoy them longer.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Eileen Schwinn]

I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left the 
sandbar when a small boat approached.
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
> 
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
> geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
> out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
> some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
> war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down 
> there as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be 
> oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
> 
> Birds rise above it all
> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End 
>> of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media 
>> platform until the end of the season.
>> 
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
>> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
>> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
>> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
>> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
>> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>> 
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with 
>> the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the 
>> very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a 
>> shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>> 
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>> seem to have moved on. 
>> 
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
>> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
>> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
>> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>> 
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>> 
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>> 
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Richard Guthrie]

The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter
may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon,
Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would
like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.

Rules need to be amended.

Rich Guthrie

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
wrote:

> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
> Eileen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>
> Birds rise above it all
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
> media platform until the end of the season.
>
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
> seem to have moved on.
>
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Best,
>
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Leslie Fiske]

Here's the link with all the details on this hunting season's  regulations

https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:03 AM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
> named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
> it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
> species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
> take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that
> hunter may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian
> Wigeon, Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters
> would like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.
>
> Rules need to be amended.
>
> Rich Guthrie
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
>> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
>> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>>
>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>>
>> Birds rise above it all
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

Thanks I did not realize rules are so loose Definitely improvements needed 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Richard Guthrie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the named 
> species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when it comes 
> to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck species found in 
> New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may take  4 long-tailed 
> ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter may take up to 6 
> Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon, Smews, or any 
> combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would like one or more 
> of those rarities for their trophy wall. 
> 
> Rules need to be amended.
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn  
>> wrote:
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
>> Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left 
>> the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
 
>>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect 
>>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping 
>>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation 
>>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one 
>>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting 
>>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY 
>>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
>>> 
>>> Birds rise above it all
>>> 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
> wrote:
> 
 
 With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
 Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
 photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
 End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
 media platform until the end of the season.
 
 It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
 the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
 ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
 Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
 we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
 King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if 
 so, extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
 
 The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, 
 from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar 
 for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want 
 war with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody 
 knows the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it 
 seems a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of 
 danger. 
 
 We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
 White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
 areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the 
 geese seem to have moved on. 
 
 Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
 the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
 the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 
 the DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
 
 By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
 birds and get to enjoy them longer.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Best,
 
 Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
 Bay Shore
 
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Elliotte Rusty Harold]

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:12 PM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
>
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
>

Agreed on Facebook, this listserv, etc. However eBird should be
addressed by Cornell. I think they already have the capability to mark
species or locations as sensitive. There's no reason to rely on
hundreds of disconnected individuals changing their behavior in an
unintuitive way when instead it can be fixed once at the source. Has
anyone pointed out the problem to the relevant folks at Cornell? m

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Patricia Lindsay]

Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
issue.

Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).

Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
something they consider important enough to consider.

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.

All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.

Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
wrote:

> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
> spread the word?
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[John Kent]

DEC police dispatch is 844.332.3267, or 844-DEC-ECOS.

John Kent
Selkirk

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Andrew Baksh]

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.

Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.

Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.

Best,


“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
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> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few east
end folks that are not on the list

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately
> after reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is
> more local.
>
> Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be
> reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
>
> Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites
> and groups.
>
> Best,
>
> 
> “Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but
> manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
>
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
>
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
>
> (") _ (")
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
>
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
> issue.
>
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected
> to mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second
> email asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various
> other social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
>
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
> purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
> something they consider important enough to consider.
>
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
>
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
> on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
> can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
> misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
> down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
> field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
> all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
>
> Patricia Lindsay
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
>> spread the word?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>>
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to
>>> eBird, the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese
>>> (and ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>>
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>>
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>>> seem to have moved on.
>>>
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>>
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>>
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[nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Ulster County. Wednesday

[Richard Guthrie]

Scenic Hudson’s Esopus Meadows Preserve. Just reported today. With Eastern 
Bluebirds by the portable restrooms. 

Rich Guthrie 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Ulster County. Wednesday

[David Chernack]

To clarify, the bird was photographed (quite beautifully in fact) by Jim
Yates yesterday, Thursday January 13th, at Esopus Meadows. Jim posted his
photos to the "What's this bird?" Facebook page this evening to ascertain
the ID, hence the delayed report. No eBird reports were submitted from
Esopus Meadows today... although I suspect there may be a significant
number submitted tomorrow. Here's hoping that the bird is still around.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 8:22 PM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> Scenic Hudson’s Esopus Meadows Preserve. Just reported today. With Eastern
> Bluebirds by the portable restrooms.
>
> Rich Guthrie
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Adelia Honeywood]

Long Island's waterfowl hunting season ends on January 30th except for Snow 
Geese which is until March 6th. After January 30th should we still exercise 
these precautions with eBird? Should we wait until March 6th if people hunting 
Snow Geese might go for other geese species?
(I look up the season dates every year and avoid going to Jones Beach until the 
duck season is over ...)
ThanksAdelia
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:30 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
wrote:   Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few 
east end folks that are not on the list
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
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火　Conquer like the fire
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On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC website 
so apparently were taken illegally. 

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
and get to 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Ulster County. Wednesday

[Richard Guthrie]

Reported on eBird as having been found on Tuesday, January 11th. 

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:42 PM, David Chernack  wrote:
> 
> 
> To clarify, the bird was photographed (quite beautifully in fact) by Jim 
> Yates yesterday, Thursday January 13th, at Esopus Meadows. Jim posted his 
> photos to the "What's this bird?" Facebook page this evening to ascertain the 
> ID, hence the delayed report. No eBird reports were submitted from Esopus 
> Meadows today... although I suspect there may be a significant number 
> submitted tomorrow. Here's hoping that the bird is still around. 
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 8:22 PM Richard Guthrie  
>> wrote:
>> Scenic Hudson’s Esopus Meadows Preserve. Just reported today. With Eastern 
>> Bluebirds by the portable restrooms. 
>> 
>> Rich Guthrie 
>> 
>> 
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[nysbirds-l] Pink-footed Goose in Dutchess County Jan. 14th

[Richard Guthrie]

A PINK-FOOTED GOOSE was seen by many and photographed at the Hudson Valley Rail 
Trail parking area off Diddel Road, Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County. 

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[nysbirds-l] NYC Area RBA: 14 January 2022

[Gail Benson]

-RBA
* New York
* New York City, Long Island, Westchester County
* Jan. 14, 2022
* NYNY2201.14

- Birds Mentioned

PINK-FOOTED GOOSE+
WESTERN TANAGER+
(+ Details requested by NYSARC)

GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE
Cackling Goose
EURASIAN WIGEON
KING EIDER
BARROW’S GOLDENEYE
Red-necked Grebe
Common Gallinule
Long-billed Dowitcher
DOVEKIE
Razorbill
BLACK-LEGGED KITTIWAKE
Bonaparte’s Gull
BLACK-HEADED GULL
ICELAND GULL
GLAUCOUS GULL
Northern Gannet
American Bittern
WESTERN KINGBIRD
Blue-headed Vireo
NORTHERN SHRIKE
CLAY-COLORED SPARROW
VESPER SPARROW

If followed by (+) please submit documentation of your report
electronically and use the NYSARC online submission form found at
http://www.nybirds.org/NYSARC/goodreport.htm

You can also send reports and digital image files via email to
nysarc44nybirdsorg

If electronic submission is not possible, hardcopy reports and photos
or sketches are welcome. Hardcopy documentation should be mailed to:

Gary Chapin - Secretary
NYS Avian Records Committee (NYSARC)
125 Pine Springs Drive
Ticonderoga, NY 12883

Hotline: New York City Area Rare Bird Alert
Number: (212) 979-3070

Compiler: Tom Burke
Coverage: New York City, Long Island, Westchester County

Transcriber:  Gail Benson

[~BEGIN RBA TAPE~]

Greetings! This is the New York Rare Bird Alert for Friday, January
14, 2022 at 11:00 pm.

The highlights of today’s tape are DOVEKIE, WESTERN TANAGER, WESTERN
KINGBIRD, NORTHERN SHRIKE, PINK-FOOTED and GREATER WHITE-FRONTED
GEESE, EURASIAN WIGEON, BARROW’S GOLDENEYE and KING EIDER,
BLACK-HEADED, GLAUCOUS and ICELAND GULLS, BLACK-LEGGED KITTIWAKE,
CLAY-COLORED and VESPER SPARROWS and more.

Last Sunday's rough weather paid dividends at Montauk Point, where
duck numbers remained low, but a productive offshore morning flight
did provide 9 DOVEKIES as well as 65 RAZORBILLS, 30 BLACK-LEGGED
KITTIWAKES, around 100 NORTHERN GANNETS and even 7 BONAPARTE’S GULLS,
quite scarce this winter.  Thursday morning there produced 23
RAZORBILLS and a couple of BLACK-LEGGED KITTIWAKES as well.

Also in the Montauk area, a WESTERN KINGBIRD, likely the bird found on
the Christmas count near West Lake Drive, was seen briefly both
Saturday and Sunday mornings along East Lake Drive near Little Reed
Pond.

Manhattan's two WESTERN TANAGERS were still in place this week, one at
Carl Schurz Park off East End Avenue around East 86th Street, and the
other near private Clinton Community Garden around West 48th Street
east of 10th Avenue.

A NORTHERN STRIKE also continues at the North Fork Preserve out in
Northville on the north side of Sound Avenue, but this bird can be
quite elusive.

Among the waterfowl, a GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE continues to visit
Tung Ting Pond in Centerport, and the lower Westchester bird was on
Playland Lake in Rye today, but more unusual was a PINK-FOOTED GOOSE
that's been visiting a small pond on the Stony Brook University campus
since Monday.  A few CACKLING GEESE are also around.

A drake EURASIAN WIGEON continues to be seen on the mostly frozen Mill
Pond in Oyster Bay, with another continuing on Patchogue Lake.  Still
present, too, are a drake BARROW’S GOLDENEYE off Crab Meadow Beach in
Fort Salonga and drake KING EIDERS at Great Kills Park on Staten
Island and around Shinnecock Inlet.

An adult BLACK-HEADED GULL was still in the vicinity of the bar off
the Jones Beach West End Coast Guard Station at least to Wednesday,
and another BLACK-HEADED was spotted from the Veterans Memorial Pier
in Brooklyn on Tuesday.  GLAUCOUS GULLS were noted on Central Park
reservoir and at Randall's Island during the week, with Randall's
Island also producing a couple of ICELAND GULLS Saturday, with other
ICELANDS seen today on Prospect Park Lake and at Sheepshead Bay in
Brooklyn.

Other interesting non-passerines featured RED-NECKED GREBE at Culloden
Point in Montauk Sunday and at Orient Point Wednesday, a COMMON
GALLINULE continuing at Mill Pond Park in Bellmore, four LONG-BILLED
DOWITCHERS Tuesday at Santapogue Creek in West Babylon, and AMERICAN
BITTERN along Dune Road.

A BLUE-HEADED VIREO was seen Monday at Floyd Bennett Field, and a
CLAY-COLORED SPARROW along with a few VESPER SPARROWS were both still
present at the Suffolk County Farm and Education Center off Yaphank
Avenue yesterday.

To phone in reports call Tom Burke at (914) 967-4922.

This service is sponsored by the Linnaean Society of New York and the
National Audubon Society.  Thank you for calling.

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