Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
My apologies to Arie for responding publicly. My phone bundles people together in ways I don’t understand. I know we are on the same page as far as our concern for the birds and abiding by the ABA guidelines. And I agree that splitting off to another notification group is not a great solution. We probably differ most in our faith in our fellow man- I’ve been in situations now where I’ve had to shame people into not chasing a bird over and over, some will stop and some won’t. I hope Arie is right and we can help people understand where we’re coming from. Mike Cooper Ridge >> On Sep 27, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Mike wrote: >> >> I no longer post any birds at this and other locations where I see >> photographers. I keep a group list of contacts and limit my postings to >> them. I’m sure I’m unintentionally leaving people out, and I’ve been >> throwing the idea of a WhatsApp group around with a few other birders. >> There’s currently a 256 member limit on a group, but there are ways around >> that if we some day exceeded that. >> The photography stuff is out of control and I won’t contribute to a public >> group any sightings of birds that are in chaseable locations. >> >> Mike Cooper >> Ridge >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Patricia Lindsay >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two >>> Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, >>> several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get >>> photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and >>> slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were >>> obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and >>> preen in peace. >>> >>> I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a >>> transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to >>> the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first >>> time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE >>> PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this >>> would not be a pleasant study and left. >>> >>> I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common >>> sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo >>> more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other >>> birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or >>> rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another >>> birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the >>> closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, >>> already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the >>> birds. >>> >>> PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. >>> PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up >>> near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. >>> Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in >>> to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so >>> constantly. >>> And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. >>> >>> The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this >>> morning by Shai. >>> >>> Patricia Lindsay >>> Bay Shore >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>> >>> ARCHIVES: >>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>> >>> Please submit your observations to eBird: >>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>> >>> -- >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >> >> ARCHIVES: >> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >> >> Please submit your observations to eBird: >> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >> >> -- >> -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
My apologies to Arie for responding publicly. My phone bundles people together in ways I don’t understand. I know we are on the same page as far as our concern for the birds and abiding by the ABA guidelines. And I agree that splitting off to another notification group is not a great solution. We probably differ most in our faith in our fellow man- I’ve been in situations now where I’ve had to shame people into not chasing a bird over and over, some will stop and some won’t. I hope Arie is right and we can help people understand where we’re coming from. Mike Cooper Ridge >> On Sep 27, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Mike wrote: >> >> I no longer post any birds at this and other locations where I see >> photographers. I keep a group list of contacts and limit my postings to >> them. I’m sure I’m unintentionally leaving people out, and I’ve been >> throwing the idea of a WhatsApp group around with a few other birders. >> There’s currently a 256 member limit on a group, but there are ways around >> that if we some day exceeded that. >> The photography stuff is out of control and I won’t contribute to a public >> group any sightings of birds that are in chaseable locations. >> >> Mike Cooper >> Ridge >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Patricia Lindsay >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two >>> Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, >>> several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get >>> photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and >>> slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were >>> obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and >>> preen in peace. >>> >>> I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a >>> transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to >>> the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first >>> time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE >>> PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this >>> would not be a pleasant study and left. >>> >>> I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common >>> sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo >>> more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other >>> birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or >>> rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another >>> birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the >>> closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, >>> already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the >>> birds. >>> >>> PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. >>> PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up >>> near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. >>> Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in >>> to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so >>> constantly. >>> And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. >>> >>> The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this >>> morning by Shai. >>> >>> Patricia Lindsay >>> Bay Shore >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>> >>> ARCHIVES: >>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>> >>> Please submit your observations to eBird: >>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>> >>> -- >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >> >> ARCHIVES: >> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >> >> Please submit your observations to eBird: >> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >> >> -- >> -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
If reporting them means the birds are under constant harassment then yes, they shouldn’t get reported. Guidelines like those promoted by the ABA should mean something. Or they can get reported to groups that can have some control over their memberships. This is in no way a criticism of the Listserve, just recognition of the fact that the Listserve can be viewed by anyone, whether they subscribe or not. Mike Cooper Ridge, NY Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2018, at 3:43 PM, ArieGilbert wrote: > > Great. More sightings that wont get reported. > > They're doing this in bkln and upstate. > > Yay. > > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > Original message > From: Mike > Date: 9/27/18 2:25 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Patricia Lindsay > Cc: NYS Birds > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County > > I no longer post any birds at this and other locations where I see > photographers. I keep a group list of contacts and limit my postings to > them. I’m sure I’m unintentionally leaving people out, and I’ve been throwing > the idea of a WhatsApp group around with a few other birders. There’s > currently a 256 member limit on a group, but there are ways around that if we > some day exceeded that. > The photography stuff is out of control and I won’t contribute to a public > group any sightings of birds that are in chaseable locations. > > Mike Cooper > Ridge > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Patricia Lindsay > > wrote: > > > > Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two > > Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, > > several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get > > photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and > > slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were > > obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and > > preen in peace. > > > > I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a > > transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to > > the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first > > time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE > > PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this > > would not be a pleasant study and left. > > > > I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common > > sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo > > more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other > > birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or > > rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another > > birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the > > closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, > > already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the > > birds. > > > > PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. > > PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up > > near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. > > Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in > > to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so > > constantly. > > And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. > > > > The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this > > morning by Shai. > > > > Patricia Lindsay > > Bay Shore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > > > ARCHIVES: > > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillis
Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
If reporting them means the birds are under constant harassment then yes, they shouldn’t get reported. Guidelines like those promoted by the ABA should mean something. Or they can get reported to groups that can have some control over their memberships. This is in no way a criticism of the Listserve, just recognition of the fact that the Listserve can be viewed by anyone, whether they subscribe or not. Mike Cooper Ridge, NY Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2018, at 3:43 PM, ArieGilbert wrote: > > Great. More sightings that wont get reported. > > They're doing this in bkln and upstate. > > Yay. > > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > Original message > From: Mike > Date: 9/27/18 2:25 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Patricia Lindsay > Cc: NYS Birds > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County > > I no longer post any birds at this and other locations where I see > photographers. I keep a group list of contacts and limit my postings to > them. I’m sure I’m unintentionally leaving people out, and I’ve been throwing > the idea of a WhatsApp group around with a few other birders. There’s > currently a 256 member limit on a group, but there are ways around that if we > some day exceeded that. > The photography stuff is out of control and I won’t contribute to a public > group any sightings of birds that are in chaseable locations. > > Mike Cooper > Ridge > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Patricia Lindsay > > wrote: > > > > Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two > > Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, > > several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get > > photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and > > slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were > > obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and > > preen in peace. > > > > I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a > > transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to > > the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first > > time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE > > PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this > > would not be a pleasant study and left. > > > > I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common > > sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo > > more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other > > birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or > > rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another > > birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the > > closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, > > already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the > > birds. > > > > PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. > > PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up > > near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. > > Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in > > to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so > > constantly. > > And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. > > > > The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this > > morning by Shai. > > > > Patricia Lindsay > > Bay Shore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > > > ARCHIVES: > > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillis
Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
I no longer post any birds at this and other locations where I see photographers. I keep a group list of contacts and limit my postings to them. I’m sure I’m unintentionally leaving people out, and I’ve been throwing the idea of a WhatsApp group around with a few other birders. There’s currently a 256 member limit on a group, but there are ways around that if we some day exceeded that. The photography stuff is out of control and I won’t contribute to a public group any sightings of birds that are in chaseable locations. Mike Cooper Ridge Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Patricia Lindsay wrote: > > Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two > Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, > several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get > photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and > slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were > obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and > preen in peace. > > I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a > transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to > the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first > time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE > PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this > would not be a pleasant study and left. > > I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common > sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo > more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other > birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or > rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another > birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the > closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, > already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the > birds. > > PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. > PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up > near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. > Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in > to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so > constantly. > And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. > > The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this > morning by Shai. > > Patricia Lindsay > Bay Shore > > > > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
I no longer post any birds at this and other locations where I see photographers. I keep a group list of contacts and limit my postings to them. I’m sure I’m unintentionally leaving people out, and I’ve been throwing the idea of a WhatsApp group around with a few other birders. There’s currently a 256 member limit on a group, but there are ways around that if we some day exceeded that. The photography stuff is out of control and I won’t contribute to a public group any sightings of birds that are in chaseable locations. Mike Cooper Ridge Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Patricia Lindsay wrote: > > Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two > Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, > several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get > photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and > slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were > obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and > preen in peace. > > I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a > transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to > the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first > time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE > PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this > would not be a pleasant study and left. > > I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common > sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo > more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other > birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or > rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another > birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the > closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, > already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the > birds. > > PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. > PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up > near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. > Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in > to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so > constantly. > And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. > > The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this > morning by Shai. > > Patricia Lindsay > Bay Shore > > > > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and preen in peace. I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this would not be a pleasant study and left. I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the birds. PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so constantly. And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this morning by Shai. Patricia Lindsay Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Heckscher SP, Suffolk County
Yesterday I was alerted to six juvenile Pectoral Sandpipers and two Dunlin among the birds visiting the Heckscher puddles. When I arrived, several people with cameras were out of their cars attempting to get photos or get closer looks. These folks were approaching cautiously and slowly, and while the birds did not immediately flush, they were obviously hyper-alert, interfering with their ability to feed, rest and preen in peace. I was curious about the age of the Dunlins, as they were in a transitional plumage I suspected to be molting juvs. So I returned to the site this morning, where I was very upset to see, not for the first time, photographers in two cars and a truck positioned RIGHT IN THE PUDDLE, practically on top of and surrounding the birds. I decided this would not be a pleasant study and left. I can no longer remain silent on this issue. Folks, where is your common sense, courtesy, and decency? Give these birds a chance! Is your photo more important than the well-being of these migrating birds? Give other birds who may be avoiding this disruption a chance to land and feed or rest as well. And give other birders a chance to see them! Another birder, scoping the birds from great distance, through gaps among the closely gathered vehicles, was completely blocked when the truck, already on top of the birds, was re-positioned to be EVEN CLOSER to the birds. PLEASE - Stay in your cars! Or scope from a distance. PLEASE - Stay out of the main puddles. Especially do not drive up near/onto the grassy berm in the center of the main puddle. Please keep your distance --these long-distance migrants are dropping in to rest and preen and feed, impossible with such pressure on them so constantly. And please have respect for others trying to see the birds. The Dunlin, by the way, are indeed molting juveniles, as confirmed this morning by Shai. Patricia Lindsay Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
