Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 14.08.11 03:58, schrieb Rob Weir: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Rob, On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for US donations). I'm assuming that Oracle does not control either of these accoun

Publishing docs to ebooks from Confluence wiki

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
This blog post may be of interest to people on this list interested in publishing documents. I certainly found it very interesting... and potentially very useful. http://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/publishing-documentation-to-ebooks-from-confluence-wiki/ --Jean

RE: Funds for marketing efforts?

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Thanks, Gavin. I'll leave this to one of the marketing enthusiasts to pursue, since they have a better idea of what they actually do and where, when and how they do it. --Jean On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 15:01 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: > Hi Jean. > > Perhaps you should contact our Marketing team di

RE: Funds for marketing efforts?

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
Hi Jean. Perhaps you should contact our Marketing team directly at pr...@apache.org , I doubt anyone on list will be able to answer you about this directly. Some of what you are asking may also fall into the realm of the conference planners team , but try Marketing first. See http://apache.org/

Re: [www] OOo Website Conversion

2011-08-13 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi - I have modified the template process. For html files the head and body content are extracted and then placed into the template. The wrapping is good. There is still work to do with getting to a single version of the css and javascript. What is notable it that http://incubator.apache.org/

Funds for marketing efforts?

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
This is a request for general information about potential funding from Apache for marketing AOOo to end-users (both individuals and companies/ organisations) at conferences those end-users attend (e.g., librarians, educators, technical communicators). Typically a marketing team might have a booth a

RE: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
A tracked issue keeps things in one place, it provides a record of open work items and the actions on it are apparently posted to the list. So it is much easier to follow the ones you care about, review them, and so on. It is also a safer place to post patches, feature requests, and so on wher

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 14, 2011 3:33 AM, "Andy Brown" wrote: > > Simon Phipps wrote: > >> >> I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you to >> go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me and no business of the >> Bermuda Tourist Commission. So while I can see the hardware do

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Andy Brown
Simon Phipps wrote: I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you to go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me and no business of the Bermuda Tourist Commission. So while I can see the hardware donations will have to end, why is it anything to do with this

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 08/13/2011 05:55 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > <--snip--> > >>> >> >> My understanding is that there were two issues raised by regulators: >> >> 1) Google stores IP addresses of visitors.  It does not make the IP >> addresses available to users

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke  wrote: >> >>> >>> Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and >>> Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students >>> for the OO

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 14, 2011 2:54 AM, "Gavin McDonald" wrote: > I am constantly hearing an us vs them attitude, old vs new, our funds not > your funds and I got fed up with up, sorry you got the brunt. Truth is the > ASF gets money donated for all projects to benefit including OOo. Hmm, I'm certainly not impl

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for US >> donations).  I'm assuming that Oracle does not control either of these >> accounts.  I'm assuming as well

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 11:46 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: Fundraising > > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 11:17 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From:

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 11:17 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:44 AM > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Fundraising > > > > > > > Profits from sales of prin

Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > It's been two months since the podling started and we still don't have issue > tracking. > > 1. We need something for recording and tracking issues now, including ones > that are involved in the migrations we're struggling with. > Do

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:44 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Fundraising > > > Profits from sales of printed copies of ODFAuthors (formerly OOoAuthors) > books are held by the not-f

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/13/2011 8:44 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 01:28 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brownwrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons an

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] > Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:28 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Fundraising > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown byrd.net>wrote: > > > Simon Phipps wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Aug 13,

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 01:28 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown wrote: > > > Simon Phipps wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and > >>> Hackfest, paid

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: >> >> >>> Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and >>> Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students >>> for the OOo

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Andy Brown
Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students for the OOo internship. Do you think that Apache will cover those expenses? It's

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > > Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and > Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students > for the OOo internship. Do you think that Apache will cover those > expenses? > It's worth noting t

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/13/2011 6:18 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 13.08.11 23:32, schrieb Shane Curcuru: ...snip... ASF fundraising policy prohibits directed donations. Donations of cash or hardware or significant services may only be made to the ASF as a whole, and not to individual projects. You have reason

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 13.08.11 23:32, schrieb Shane Curcuru: On 8/13/2011 2:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Rob, On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for US donations). I'm assuming that Oracle does not control either of these accounts. I'

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/13/2011 2:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Rob, On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for US donations). I'm assuming that Oracle does not control either of these accounts. I'm assuming as well that Apache and the PPMC

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Rob, On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for US > donations). I'm assuming that Oracle does not control either of these > accounts. I'm assuming as well that Apache and the PPMC has no > control over these accounts.

2011-08-13 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board

2011-08-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
As of today, 2011-08-13, we are at 72 committers with 56 on the PPMC. The number of outstanding iCLAs is now 12, so we are seeing less movement this week. Additional matters to clean up are the three IDs yet to be chosen and a block of committers that have not found their way into the PPMC by s

[Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It's been two months since the podling started and we still don't have issue tracking. 1. We need something for recording and tracking issues now, including ones that are involved in the migrations we're struggling with. 2. We don't want to foreclose how we end up finally migrating the OpenO

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: The Spanish project collects also money on their own Maybe other language projects collect also money, i don't know PLIO, the association corresponding to the Italian Native-Lang Project, has been a registered charity in Italy since 2005 and receives contributions from I

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-13 Thread Kay Schenk
On 08/13/2011 05:55 AM, Rob Weir wrote: <--snip--> My understanding is that there were two issues raised by regulators: 1) Google stores IP addresses of visitors. It does not make the IP addresses available to users of Google Analytics, but stores it themselves. This has been interpreted

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > Shane wrote: > > "Note that the issue of monetary contributions and/or donations is a major > one, especially since there are real policy differences between how > OpenOffice.org used to work under Sun/Oracle and how the ASF does it's > fundraisi

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:45 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/13/2011 08:37, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier  wrote: >>> >>> On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps >

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > Shane wrote: > > "Note that the issue of monetary contributions and/or donations is a major > one, especially since there are real policy differences between how > OpenOffice.org used to work under Sun/Oracle and how the ASF does it's > fundrais

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread TJ Frazier
On 8/13/2011 08:37, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phippswrote: Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Friday, 2011-08-12 16:42:20 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > The big difference is that with Piwik the data collected stays inhouse >> > at Apache, whereas with Google it goes to Google that does whatever you >> > don't know. This a

Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Ian Lynch
Shane wrote: "Note that the issue of monetary contributions and/or donations is a major one, especially since there are real policy differences between how OpenOffice.org used to work under Sun/Oracle and how the ASF does it's fundraising. In particular, the ASF has a fundrais...@apache.org team

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: >> >> 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote: >>> Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a controlled a

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/13/2011 12:33 PM, schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:08 -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote: This is not a zero sum topic. Personally, I think the most useful solution would be: - an open wiki where a folksonomy can grow and have discussion, and lead to some obvious suggestions

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:08 -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote: > This is not a zero sum topic. Personally, I think the most useful > solution would be: > > - an open wiki where a folksonomy can grow and have discussion, and lead > to some obvious suggestions for later inclusion in... > > - a public-

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-13 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Rob, On Friday, 2011-08-12 16:42:20 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > > The big difference is that with Piwik the data collected stays inhouse > > at Apache, whereas with Google it goes to Google that does whatever you > > don't know. This again implies that at Apache measures must be taken to > > prot

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread TJ Frazier
On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a controlled access page and would suggest doing so is what needs justifying. I have not seen a

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/13/2011 03:49 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 08/13/2011 12:30 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: Remember, even if we used Piwik, the data would be in the US. All user accounts for Apache, all wiki accounts, all mailing lists subscription data, etc.,