Re: Apache Disavows Team OpenOffice.org e.V.

2011-10-20 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, Martin Hollmichel wrote: obviously there was not too much knowledge about the former role of Team OpenOffice.org and the relationship among Team OOo and Apache is not really defined right now. I hope the header of this message does not mean that no further communication between

Re: Apache Disavows Team OpenOffice.org e.V.

2011-10-20 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Am 20.10.2011 09:41, schrieb Jörg Schmidt: I wrote an email (on 13.10.2011) tovorst...@teamopenoffice.de (your emai...@openoffice.org in CC) and got no answer. Why? No interest in communication? sorry, for not answering yet, our bandwidth is bit overloaded in the moment, we come back to

reply: Extensions Integration into Installation Set

2011-10-20 Thread jianlizhao
Hello Ariel Constenla-Haile With your help, I solved the Extensions Integration into Installation Set problem, I would like to ask some questions about build.lst file build.lst file myext myextensions: solenv NULL myext myextensions usr1 - all myextensions_mkout NULL myext myextensions \

working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Hi, Wether to stay with OpenOffice or LibreOffice or to migrate to LibreOffice or to OpenOffce is a question in the recent past often occurred, by users, by people doing business with OpenOffice, by the press. The answer I would like to give is that this question is not really that relevant

Re: Apache Disavows Team OpenOffice.org e.V.

2011-10-20 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/17/11 6:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote: New article out by Brian Profitt on IT World: http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev He has a good catch here that this page is still calling for donations to Team OpenOffice:

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Ian Lynch
On 20 October 2011 10:02, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Wether to stay with OpenOffice or LibreOffice or to migrate to LibreOffice or to OpenOffce is a question in the recent past often occurred, by users, by people doing business with OpenOffice, by the

Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Has someone already thought about the license for the included JRE? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html With releases from Sun/Oracle we put the JRE into (many) installation sets to make it easier for the user with the installation. But it's also required

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Am 20.10.2011 11:02, schrieb Martin Hollmichel: A call to LibreOffice contributors also to contribute their changes to Apache as the ASF is the long desired independent foundation for OpenOffice.org. of course this should read as a call for all people providing patches, to do a dual licensing

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Martin; First of all a hats off for the work you#39;ve done in the past for OOo, it#39;s difficult not to have seen your name around in some documents, and my best wishes that you can get some agreement to complement the ASF funding. Given that there has already been a 3.4-RC, I do

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Ian Lynch
On 20 October 2011 12:10, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello Martin; First of all a hats off for the work you#39;ve done in the past for OOo, it#39;s difficult not to have seen your name around in some documents, and my best wishes that you can get some agreement to complement the

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Shane Curcuru
Thanks for joining the ooo-dev@ list! On 10/20/2011 5:02 AM, Martin Hollmichel wrote: Hi, Wether to stay with OpenOffice or LibreOffice or to migrate to LibreOffice or to OpenOffce is a question in the recent past often occurred, by users, by people doing business with OpenOffice, by the

Re: Apache Disavows Team OpenOffice.org e.V.

2011-10-20 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, Martin Hollmichel wrote: sorry, for not answering yet, our bandwidth is bit overloaded in the moment, we come back to your email soon, In the moment? Oh no, this is shortened. I have written numerous emails to Team OOo e.V. and members of Team OOo e.V. (and one Fax to), _since

Re: Please remove this unused header (was Re: Anti-grain Geometry)

2011-10-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; This header has license issues: main/agg/inc/agg_conv_gpc.h It is part of the General Poligon Clipper and  unlike the rest of AGG its free only for non commercial use. I would delete it myself but my desktop

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Harbison
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Wether to stay with OpenOffice or LibreOffice or to migrate to LibreOffice or to OpenOffce is a question in the recent past often occurred, by users, by people doing business with OpenOffice, by

[licensing] Re: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Another question that has come up based on review of OpenOffice code. If a 3rd party module is used as part of the build or test automation, but is not part of our release, do we care about whether it is copyleft?  Or do we

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Harbison
Forgot my footnote: [1] https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Wether to stay with OpenOffice or

Re: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:  One observation, before it slips through. Depending on gpl#39;d compilers and tools that we don#39;t carry in the release is fine AFAICT. In our bootstrap procedure we use Dmake (gplv1), which we must remove in favor of

Re: [PROPOSAL]Apache OpenOffice.org Meetup @ApacheCon

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Harbison
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, Following up to my earlier note[1] to discuss and gauge interest in a meetup for the project at ApacheCon. If you will be attending, and wish to participate, what topics do your propose we cover? I

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: snip I would turn the post you describe into a warning that the mailing list address will change, including all information about Apache but not requiring users to take action. I volunteer to consolidate the 12

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: You could open the discussion here on ooo-dev, since there are TDF folks here already. I don't think this is a good assumption, any more than it would be to note that there are Apache members on the tdf-discuss

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Wether to stay with OpenOffice or LibreOffice or to migrate to LibreOffice or to OpenOffce is a question in the recent past often occurred, by users, by people doing business with OpenOffice, by the

Re: Extensions Integration into Installation Set

2011-10-20 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi jianlizhao On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 04:38:55PM +0800, jianlizhao wrote: Hello Ariel Constenla-Haile With your help, I solved the Extensions Integration into Installation Set problem, I would like to ask some questions about build.lst file build.lst file myext myextensions: solenv

Re: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Has someone already thought about the license for the included JRE? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html With releases from Sun/Oracle we put the JRE into (many) installation sets to

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Am 20.10.2011 14:35, schrieb Shane Curcuru: This is an interesting idea. The three key questions are: -- Are there sufficient volunteers in the Apache OpenOffice podling to actually complete this work in a reasonable time, without impacting (what I think is) the progress to a new Apache

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: A moderator can do the above, but this still will generate a confirmation email, to f...@bar.com, in English: This would seem to be better than simply subscribing everyone silently...making it effectively an opt-in cross

Python and other scripting framework

2011-10-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Wonder what is the future of the UNO scripting framework since there are many languages with different languages like Python, Beanshell and other scriptings that OOo ships. OOo builds have a full Python 2.6 version and also IDE like Rhino and other applications that are stringly attached to the

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Rob, This is excellent. On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: snip I would turn the post you describe into a warning that the mailing list address will change, including all information about Apache

Re: Please remove this unused header (was Re: Anti-grain Geometry)

2011-10-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Actually, upon closer examination this is a non issue, it can be removed but it is not urgent. I will do it when I am back. Pedro.

Re: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/20/2011 05:38 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Has someone already thought about the license for the included JRE? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html With releases from Sun/Oracle we put

Re: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/20/2011 05:38 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Has someone already thought about the license for the included JRE?

Re: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hmm ... We have discussed some of the things that must be replaced but we have not drawn a roadmap about it beyond the initial migration list. I think we will have to open BZ issues for those. The gtk/qt issue is rather critcal: I do not think there is previous history among Apache projects

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-20 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Shane Curcuru wrote on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 08:35:57 -0400: However, there is a somewhat related precedent in the Apache Subversion project, which shipped code as a podling under it's previous license before creating a fully ASF blessed release. As a widely used and mature project before it

Re: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/20/2011 06:02 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/20/2011 05:38 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Has someone already thought about the

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Rob, This is excellent. On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: snip I would turn the post you describe into a warning that

Re: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/20/2011 06:02 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/20/2011 05:38 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Marcus

RE: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Sun/Oracle OO.o distributions satisfy the requirements for installation on Microsoft Windows. The LO distributions do as well. Of course, including JVM in Sun/Oracle distributions was a no-brainer. Since these are distributed in binary form only and the appropriate NOTICE information

RE: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The moderator-issued subscription e-mail seems useful, especially because it is done as an opt-in (requiring confirmation from the recipient). If the list to be retired was informed of this process, its near-automatic operation could be considered. - Dennis THINKING OUT LOUD With regard to

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: The moderator-issued subscription e-mail seems useful, especially because it is done as an opt-in (requiring confirmation from the recipient).  If the list to be retired was informed of this process, its

unsubscribe user from us...@de.openoffice.org

2011-10-20 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi all, is here someone who can unsubscribe an user from us...@de.openoffice.org? Please look at http://openoffice.org/projects/de/lists/users/archive/2011-10/message/208 User FAX Praxis praxis.kun...@gmx.de tries to unsubscribe without success and all hints couldn't solve the problem.

Re: How voting works...

2011-10-20 Thread floris v
Op 19-10-2011 14:00, Rob Weir schreef: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I'm not going to dig into all the details of how a vote is called in the ASF. In posting this I am not asking for the current vote to be recalled, there is no need. I am

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 20, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Rob, This is excellent. On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: snip I

RE: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob, As were you, I was looking at the value of the ezmlm confirmation e-mail and its opt-in requirement for moderator-initiated subscriptions. It seemed to me that would provide a clean opt-in point for users of lists about to be retired. The process for the moderator-initiated subscription

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 20, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Rob, This is excellent. On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Rob, As were you, I was looking at the value of the ezmlm confirmation e-mail and its opt-in requirement for moderator-initiated subscriptions.  It seemed to me that would provide a clean opt-in point for users

Re: How voting works...

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote: Op 19-10-2011 14:00, Rob Weir schreef: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com  wrote: I'm not going to dig into all the details of how a vote is called in the ASF. In posting this I am

RE: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I did not assert anything about how the auto-subscription offer is done. I did note that the lists may already be in the custody of a US-hosted system, so transnational border crossing is not involved in any movement of subscribers. Since this is an opt-in, not an opt-out procedure, it might

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I did not assert anything about how the auto-subscription offer is done.  I did note that the lists may already be in the custody of a US-hosted system, so transnational border crossing is not involved in any

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Wolf Halton
Do any of these lists have publicly accessible archives? It would be a shame to lose those, when the lists shut down. I suspect messages about OOo 1.x are pretty much dead, or at least the software is pretty much obsoleted. Those archives might be less useful. Just wondering.. -- This Apt

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of these lists have publicly accessible archives?  It would be a shame to lose those, when the lists shut down.  I suspect messages about OOo 1.x are pretty much dead, or at least the software is pretty much

Re: [Proposal] Renaming of OpenOffice.org

2011-10-20 Thread Wolf Halton
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 10/18/2011 18:53, Kay Schenk wrote: On 10/18/2011 02:58 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: massive snippery snip-ectomy Why not have both Apache Open Office and OpenOffice.org? 1) We already have both and people are

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Wolf Halton
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of these lists have publicly accessible archives? It would be a shame to lose those, when the lists shut down. I suspect messages about OOo

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of these lists have publicly accessible archives?  It would be a

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Rob, Your technical item was an interesting distraction. It may have a use. I think below you give a good explanation of your plan. Let me express a recommendation that ought to alleviate my concerns about the full MX issues. I am still concerned that we may be abandoning a database of

How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
This question came up a few months ago, when we initially started the podling. The legacy OOo project had many mailing lists which were for non-English list traffic. This included user lists as well as project lists (marketing and translation mainly). Many of these lists are showing up in my

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Rob, Your technical item was an interesting distraction. It may have a use. I think below you give a good explanation of your plan. Let me express a recommendation that ought to alleviate my concerns about the

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This question came up a few months ago, when we initially started the podling.  The legacy OOo project had many mailing lists which were for non-English list traffic. snip So that's my proposal. I have my asbestos underwear

[DISCUSS] Bugzilla Admin (was RE: Bugzilla notifications not going to an ASF mailing list)

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I believe the next-action on administration of the ooo-bz is ours. It looks like there need to be some @apache.org administrators, and the hierarchy of administration with respect to the various categories also needs to be dealt with. From the list that Mark Thomas provided, I only see 2

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-20 Thread Dave Fisher
A strong +1 - this is consistent with my memory of what was discussed three months ago. On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote: This question came up a few months ago, when we initially started the podling. The legacy OOo project had many mailing lists which were for non-English list

Re: [DISCUSS] Bugzilla Admin (was RE: Bugzilla notifications not going to an ASF mailing list)

2011-10-20 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I believe the next-action on administration of the ooo-bz is ours. It looks like there need to be some @apache.org administrators, and the hierarchy of administration with respect to the various categories also needs to be dealt

Re: Is the JRE license OK for inclusing in AOO?

2011-10-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: snip It is not clear to me that either of those bundlings in binary releases is explicitly tolerated by the information that is provided at http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html.  There seems to be no help in

Re: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-20 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hmm ... We have discussed some of the things that must be replaced but we have not drawn a roadmap about it beyond the initial migration list. I think we will have to open BZ issues for those. The gtk/qt issue is rather

RE: [DISCUSS] Bugzilla Admin (was RE: Bugzilla notifications not going to an ASF mailing list)

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't understand what this means: I think we need a languages properties file with items like BZ, Forum, ML, Language Pack, etc. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:29 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

Re: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hmm ... We have discussed some of the things that must be replaced but we have not drawn a roadmap about it beyond the initial migration list. I think

Re: [licensing] On Apache Releases [WAS Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components]

2011-10-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin snip At Apache, a source release is (just) what's in version control when the release is cut, is canonical and mandatory. Other artifacts follow the binary release

Re: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-20 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hmm ... We have discussed some of the things that must be replaced but we have not

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: One last question, based on OpenOffice 3rd party dependencies. We have a good number of MPL dependencies.  I'm trying, with some difficulty, to interpret what we can do based on the description here:

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: One last question, based on OpenOffice 3rd party dependencies. We have a good number of MPL dependencies.  I'm trying, with some difficulty, to

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Andrew Rist
On 10/20/2011 10:14 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Rob, As were you, I was looking at the value of the ezmlm confirmation e-mail and its opt-in requirement for moderator-initiated subscriptions. It seemed to me that would provide a clean opt-in point for users of lists about to be retired.

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: There is no intent to hoard.  From talking to developers on this project I get the sense that they want to upstream patches more than was done previously.  But contributing a patch is no guarantee that it will be integrated by

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: There is no intent to hoard.  From talking to developers on this project I get the sense that they want to upstream patches more than was done

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 10/20/2011 10:14 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Rob, As were you, I was looking at the value of the ezmlm confirmation e-mail and its opt-in requirement for moderator-initiated subscriptions. It seemed to me that would provide a

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/20/2011 03:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: -- snipped -- My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for contacting these users is to send messages to

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Andrew Rist
-- snipped -- My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for contacting these users is to send messages to the various ML. Also, there is no imminent shutdown of the ML infrastructure or any of the other

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/21/2011 12:27 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 10/20/2011 03:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: -- snipped -- My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for

RE: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I want to point out another case that I have seen in practice, including in the construction and deployment of binary releases for OpenOffice.org. This discussion may impinge on that practice in terms of how it can be retained in Apache OpenOffice.org binary releases and their deployment. -

RE: [DISCUSS] Bugzilla Admin (was RE: Bugzilla notifications not going to an ASF mailing list)

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think that you and I aren't using properties the same way in this context. I was using it by analogy to the way a real-estate agent or a rental property manager would use it. I thought I cleared that up. Can you explain what you mean without using property and being specific to the

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I want to point out another case that I have seen in practice, including in the construction and deployment of binary releases for OpenOffice.org.  This discussion may impinge on that practice in terms of how it can

RE: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Well, that will teach me to read the wrong list first. Rob already identified the quasi case, etc., on ooo-dev at least. I hereby cease cross-list posting. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 16:54 To:

RE: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It doesn't matter Rob.. You already covered this case over here and I hadn't seen that when I replied over there. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 17:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Clarification

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: It doesn't matter Rob.. You already covered this case over here and I hadn't seen that when I replied over there. OK. That may explain it. I was vainly searching for what you were saying new. I assumed you

How to re-package openoffice?

2011-10-20 Thread jianlizhao
openoffice installation program has hundreds of megabytes, which includes Writer, Calc and Draw, and other modules. Due to hardware resource constraints, combined with the actual demand, packaged to meet the requirements write, how packaged write it?How to modify the SCP2 project?

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread NoOp
On 10/20/2011 11:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Do any of these lists have publicly accessible archives? It would be a shame to lose those, when the lists shut down. I suspect messages about OOo 1.x are pretty much dead, or at

Re: How to re-package openoffice?

2011-10-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, jianlizhao jianlizh...@hotmail.com wrote: openoffice installation program has hundreds of megabytes, which includes Writer, Calc and Draw, and other modules. Due to hardware resource constraints, combined with the actual demand, packaged to meet the

Re: [REVIEW] Staged Migration of OO.o domain properties (long)

2011-10-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/17/2011 07:32 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/14/2011 7:56 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I've been pondering what it takes to

Google code-in 2011: can we still make it?

2011-10-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi; In case you are not aware, Google has a code-in program where teenagers get involved in open-source projects. http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2011 Compared to a GSoC, this usually involves tasks that are more related to documentation or alternative task rather than