Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread floris v
Op 22-10-2011 6:26, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef: The vote to accept the proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums ended at midnight, Friday 2011-10-21T24:00Z. There were a total of 27 +1 votes cast. There was one +0 vote and no -1 votes. The proposal is accepted.

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:07 AM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote: Op 22-10-2011 6:26, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef: Peter, Heck, I also voted +1, 10/18, but apparently also in the wrong list - VOTE DISCUSS Sorry about that. By the way, as the option +0 wasn't included, that vote is invalid,

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread floris v
Op 22-10-2011 9:24, Christian Grobmeier schreef: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:07 AM, floris vfloris...@gmail.com wrote: Op 22-10-2011 6:26, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef: Peter, Heck, I also voted +1, 10/18, but apparently also in the wrong list - VOTE DISCUSS Sorry about that. By the way, as the

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
No, it is valid. http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html Reason 1: Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule unless otherwise stated Reason 2: +0: 'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.' Therefore you can consider this decision passed and

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/22/2011 02:33 AM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano: Hi Rob and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: So these are user lists. Will we want language-specific translation and localization lists at some point? That is why I thought it would make sense to have

Re: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/22/2011 02:25 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: It is unlikely that historical downloads will be available from the same download location as the Apache OOo podling and Apache OOo TLP releases. At the same time, it is important to preserve the historical downloads. And also This is

Re: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/22/2011 01:56 AM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 10/22/2011 01:37 AM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/21/2011 08:35 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: (2) downloads.services.oo.o goes away this needs attention. This is the major unknown. We do have a

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Rob, Kazunari-san, Marcus, * 2011/10/22 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de Am 10/22/2011 02:33 AM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano: Hi Rob and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org  wrote: So these are user lists.  Will we want language-specific translation and

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/22/2011 12:16 PM, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: Hi Rob, Kazunari-san, Marcus, * 2011/10/22 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de Am 10/22/2011 02:33 AM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano: Hi Rob and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.orgwrote: So these are user lists.

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Are you aware of the number of changes that have already been applied to the LibreOffice code base? It is very large. So, although it seems

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Ian Lynch
On 22 October 2011 12:09, Christian Lohmaier cl...@openoffice.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Are you aware of the number of changes that have already been

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Christian Lohmaier cl...@openoffice.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Are you aware of the number of changes that have already been

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Marcus, * 2011/10/22 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de: Am 10/22/2011 12:16 PM, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: Hi Rob, Kazunari-san, Marcus, * 2011/10/22 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de [...] A users list for talkings and a general list to discuss development wrt the specific language

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
In Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Marcus, * 2011/10/22 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de: Am 10/22/2011 12:16 PM, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: Hi Rob, Kazunari-san, Marcus, * 2011/10/22 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de [...] A users list

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Rob and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Remember, we're starting with the existing lists that are already active.  So if we already have an active German users list, or an active Dutch users list, then we don't need to guess. Sure. Let German users

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Rob and all, Portuguese (pt) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language Brazilian Portuguese (pt-BR) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Portuguese On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: How different is written br_pt and br_pt? :) I think br_pt and

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob and all, Portuguese (pt) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language Brazilian Portuguese (pt-BR) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Portuguese On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rob Weir

Res: Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Jomar Silva
We have some strong diferences between both languages, and in Brazil there is some cool jokes about the names used on old OpenOffice (and StarOffice) menus. This was btw the first barrier we've had for a massive adoption of the tool here, and it just grow up when the first pt-br version was

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Marcus and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Wouldn't this also mean tell us which MLs you need additionally and we (the PPMC) will create them. No. We don't say tell us but they tell us what kind of language list they need, and they propose it

Re: Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Luiz Oliveira
Really, the differences are very strong, as Jomar said. Luiz 2011/10/22 Jomar Silva homem...@gmail.com We have some strong diferences between both languages, and in Brazil there is some cool jokes about the names used on old OpenOffice (and StarOffice) menus. This was btw the first barrier

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Ian Lynch
On 22 October 2011 16:23, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Marcus and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Wouldn't this also mean tell us which MLs you need additionally and we (the PPMC) will create them. No. We don't say tell us

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/22/2011 05:23 PM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano: Hi Marcus and all, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Wouldn't this also mean tell us which MLs you need additionally and we (the PPMC) will create them. No. We don't say tell us but they tell us what

Re: [PROPOSAL] Juergen Schmidt for ooo-security list member

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
No objections were received . I've added Juergen to the ooo-security list. -Rob On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ooo-security is the project's private list for receiving and resolving security vulnerability reports.  Juergen has volunteered to participate

Re: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-22 Thread Kay Schenk
TJ-- Thanks for answering my questions and the update on all this! Great that you're on top of all this! :) On 10/21/2011 04:37 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 10/21/2011 18:48, Kay Schenk wrote: On 10/21/2011 01:31 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: Dave, I want to be very sure about this, because I can

Re: Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Jomar, all, 2011/10/22 Jomar Silva homem...@gmail.com: We have some strong diferences between both languages, and in Brazil there is some cool jokes about the names used on old OpenOffice (and StarOffice) menus. This was btw the first barrier we've had for a massive adoption of the tool

Re: Legacy OOo SVN

2011-10-22 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- On Wed, 10/19/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Pedro Giffuni wrote:  FWIW, If it were possible to preserve the history of the deceased MySpell in the ooo-myspell SVN at apache-extras it would be nice. Just for historic purposes. Is  MySpell in legacy SVN?  Or would we need

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus
Am 10/22/2011 05:24 PM, schrieb Luiz Oliveira: Really, the differences are very strong, as Jomar said. OK, then lets keep the language difference between pt and pt-br as it was before and grant them (at least) 2 mailing lists. I've corrected it in the Wiki:

Re: Legacy OOo SVN

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Pedro Giffuni wrote:  FWIW, If it were possible to preserve the history of the deceased MySpell in the ooo-myspell SVN at apache-extras it would be nice. Just

RE: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
First, no votes that were not on the [VOTE] thread are reflected in the report. The [VOTE] announcement stated that only votes on that one thread would be counted. (I know that got trimmed on various threads, but I can't do anything about that.) I am sorry that two voters placed their votes

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: I merged some fixes from bugzilla that may be shared, and they have taken a lot of code that they tagged as contributed by Oracle. Are you sure about that? please read the CLA which many of the said bugzilla patches are

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: I merged some fixes from bugzilla that may be shared, and they have taken a lot of code that they tagged as contributed by Oracle. Are you sure

Re: [Proposal] Renaming of OpenOffice.org

2011-10-22 Thread Nelson Marques
Hi all, I'm mainly a lurker and I don't really want to add/take anything that was previously said before, neither this is my playground, and for me most I'm just another theorical (my academical formation is actually on marketing management), but I felt like leaving a few words: * The auto

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- On Sat, 10/22/11, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: I merged some fixes from bugzilla that may be shared, and they have taken a lot of code that they tagged as contributed by Oracle. Are you sure about that? please

Re: Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Jomar, *, 2011/10/22 Jomar Silva homem...@gmail.com: I think we should distinguish two cases: 1. bulids ... imho obvious to have two builds: br-pt and the pt-pt ... Agreed. fine 2. user-mailinglists the question is, wheather we could start with only one mailingt Not sure if it will work

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-22 Thread Ian Lynch
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: It just seems that there are too many individual interests outweighing such a goal at present. Apache OOo fork is born out of 'corporate' interest not 'individual' interests. Hence the fatal license road block.

Re: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-22 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 22/10/2011 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/22/2011 02:25 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: It is unlikely that historical downloads will be available from the same download location as the Apache OOo podling and Apache OOo TLP releases. At the same time, it is important to preserve the historical

Re: How to handle the native language lists?

2011-10-22 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/21/2011 04:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/20/2011 04:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/20/2011 09:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: Proposal: 1) Create a single user-language list for each native language where there is

Re: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/23/2011 12:17 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 22/10/2011 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/22/2011 02:25 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: It is unlikely that historical downloads will be available from the same download location as the Apache OOo podling and Apache OOo TLP releases. At the same

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The vote to accept the proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums ended at midnight, Friday 2011-10-21T24:00Z. There were a total of 27 +1 votes cast.  There was one +0 vote and no -1

Re: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:  -1 The Apache Foundation *IS* neutral. Beyond the evident open wounds the previous relationship with SUN/Oracle may have left in the community, the

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The vote to accept the proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums ended at midnight, Friday 2011-10-21T24:00Z. There

Re: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:  -1 The Apache Foundation *IS* neutral. Beyond the evident open wounds the

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The vote to accept the proposal for governance and operation of

[DISCUSS] Migration of Forums Recruitment of Operators

2011-10-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
These are my personal observations and I will report them to the Forum Administrators also. Any of the Forum operators can chime in here. There is not a formal vote that I can see. There was a poll that ended up 63% in favor, 37% opposed on the English Language forums, and I understand that