Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread eric b
/ for advertising and fundraising. So we are not affected by the OpenOffice.org fundraising policy. I read the content of the site you mentionned aboce, and it looks abandoned : the last articles are not recent IMHO. Both sites have been in minimal maintenance for years, but not abandoned at all

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Eric, eric b wrote on 2011-08-16 08:47: educoo.us and educoo.de are .. I'd say not correctly maintained (because owned by pro-LO people). As you understood, my concern is EducOO.it : Marina Latini does a fantastic work and helps us a lot. now this strikes me. The German association

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread eric b
Hi Florian, Le 16 août 11 à 11:42, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi Eric, eric b wrote on 2011-08-16 08:47: educoo.us and educoo.de are .. I'd say not correctly maintained (because owned by pro-LO people). As you understood, my concern is EducOO.it : Marina Latini does a fantastic work and

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Eric, Von: eric b Gesendet: 16.08.11 12:10 Uhr Please don't get me wrong : it is not used, because _nobody_ maintains it, not because we do not want to maintain it :-) And at the end, we have several possibilities: either it is unmaintained intentionaly, or people ignore we exist.

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Eric, eric b wrote on 2011-08-16 12:10: Please don't get me wrong : it is not used, because _nobody_ maintains it, not because we do not want to maintain it :-) And at the end, we have several possibilities: either it is unmaintained intentionaly, or people ignore we exist. Did you invite

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread Thorsten Behrens
eric wrote: educoo.us and educoo.de are .. I'd say not correctly maintained (because owned by pro-LO people). nonsense. educoo.de points to your servers, you're free to post whatever content you desire there (yes, I've read Florian's and your answer to this). Cheers, -- Thorsten

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread eric b
Hi Thorsten, Le 16 août 11 à 16:24, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : eric wrote: educoo.us and educoo.de are .. I'd say not correctly maintained (because owned by pro-LO people). nonsense. educoo.de points to your servers, you're free to post whatever content you desire there (yes, I've read

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-16 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, eric b wrote on 2011-08-16 16:38: And you are right about educoo.de. Please accept my excuses for the wrong statement. c'est la vie. :-) Nevermind. Let's rather look to get content on that page, that helps everyone. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-15 Thread Daniel Shahaf
I don't have any specific comment on this; you might talk to fundraising@. Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:52:40 +0100: On 15 August 2011 02:20, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Raphael Bircher wrote on Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 08:01:45 +0200: I assume

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-15 Thread Daniel Shahaf
a deductible expense, just as donations are (in some cases). On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.namewrote: I don't have any specific comment on this; you might talk to fundraising@. Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:52:40 +0100: On 15 August 2011 02:20

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-15 Thread Wolf Halton
on the moneys so offered, as professional services is still a deductible expense, just as donations are (in some cases). On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.namewrote: I don't have any specific comment on this; you might talk to fundraising@. Ian Lynch wrote

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Raphael Bircher
the problem why no one is willing to give money. Peopel like to know where where there money go, else they can affort a Lisence of MS Office. Higher level question is this: is there any particular reason that we think AOOo has fundraising needs that are not covered by Apache's fundraising? Apache

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Marcus (OOo)
is this: is there any particular reason that we think AOOo has fundraising needs that are not covered by Apache's fundraising? Apache provides the servers, the domain registrations, they have conferences which we are welcome to attend, they have a press office, etc. Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2011 3:33 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you to go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Rob Weir wrote: We have a trademark policy that states what uses are permitted without additional permission, and which uses may be allowed with specific permission from Apache. The policy does not differ based the incorporation status of the requestor. However,

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Rob Weir wrote: We have a trademark policy that states what uses are permitted without additional permission, and which uses may be allowed with specific permission from Apache.  The policy does

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Rob Weir wrote: We have a trademark policy that

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:23, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Rob Weir

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:23, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM,

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Ross Gardler
On 14 August 2011 02:58, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: ... Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an Apache project can have a private fund, or solicit donations for a 3rd party one. Why not? I've

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Raphael Bircher wrote on Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 08:01:45 +0200: Am 14.08.11 03:58, schrieb Rob Weir: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Eike Rathkeo...@erack.de wrote: Hi Rob, On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for

Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Ian Lynch
Shane wrote: Note that the issue of monetary contributions and/or donations is a major one, especially since there are real policy differences between how OpenOffice.org used to work under Sun/Oracle and how the ASF does it's fundraising. In particular, the ASF has a fundrais...@apache.org team

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
it's fundraising. In particular, the ASF has a fundrais...@apache.org team and VP who work on fundraising for all projects; individual projects do not specifically solicit for funds (other than to link to the ASF Sponsorship page, etc.). I would urge the PPMC to start a separate thread dealing

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
it's fundraising.  In particular, the ASF has a fundrais...@apache.org team and VP who work on fundraising for all projects; individual projects do not specifically solicit for funds (other than to link to the ASF Sponsorship page, etc.). I would urge the PPMC to start a separate thread dealing

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Italian taxpayers, that we invest back in OpenOffice.org-related activities. However, on our OpenOffice.org pages http://it.openoffice.org/ we don't mention this: we only use http://www.plio.it/ for advertising and fundraising. So we are not affected by the OpenOffice.org fundraising policy

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Eike Rathke
/foundation/contributing.html#Paypal I think a donation to Apache in general is different from a donation specifically to the AOOo project. I didn't see a designated use field in the PayPal form. Higher level question is this: is there any particular reason that we think AOOo has fundraising needs

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Shane Curcuru
and the PPMC has no control over these accounts. For Team OOo that's correct. For SPI that's presumably correct as well. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an Apache project can have a private fund, or solicit donations for a 3rd party one. Why not? ASF fundraising policy

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Raphael Bircher
. Why not? ASF fundraising policy prohibits directed donations. Donations of cash or hardware or significant services may only be made to the ASF as a whole, and not to individual projects. You have reasons why you do it like that? Some projects work with specific vendors to secure donated

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/13/2011 6:18 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 13.08.11 23:32, schrieb Shane Curcuru: ...snip... ASF fundraising policy prohibits directed donations. Donations of cash or hardware or significant services may only be made to the ASF as a whole, and not to individual projects. You have

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students for the OOo internship. Do you think that Apache will cover those expenses? It's worth

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathkeo...@erack.de wrote: Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 01:28 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathkeo...@erack.de wrote: Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
-Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:28 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Fundraising On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown andy@the-martin- byrd.netwrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Aug 13

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Shane Curcuru
projects, but we don't ask for that. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#booktitle Apache policies only apply to Apache projects and marks. So any fundraising done outside isn't an issue, and any fundraising that's not directly using Apache marks is not an issue for Apache. It's only

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
-Original Message- From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:44 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Fundraising snip Profits from sales of printed copies of ODFAuthors (formerly OOoAuthors) books are held

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 11:17 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: -Original Message- From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:44 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Fundraising snip Profits from sales of printed copies

RE: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Gavin McDonald
-Original Message- From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 11:46 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Fundraising On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 11:17 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: -Original Message- From: Jean Hollis

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
. Higher level question is this:  is there any particular reason that we think AOOo has fundraising needs that are not covered by Apache's fundraising?  Apache provides the servers, the domain registrations, they have conferences which we are welcome to attend, they have a press office, etc

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
corporations, not non-profit corporations. However, to the extent they use trademarks owned by Apache, like OpenOffice.org in their name or in their fundraising materials, then this may be a concern for us as the trademark owners. And depending on how the funds are used, this may be a concern

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Andy Brown
Simon Phipps wrote: I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you to go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me and no business of the Bermuda Tourist Commission. So while I can see the hardware donations will have to end, why is it anything to do with

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 14, 2011 3:33 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you to go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me and no business of the Bermuda Tourist Commission. So while I can see the