+1
On 22.12.2011 09:23, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
Hi Drew, all,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:01:00PM -0500, drew wrote:
Howdy folks,
A little late - but, I did manage to put a few hours into adding color
to the ODF icons found on the odftoolkit site[1].
To be honest at the moment I am not
Hi Drew, all,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:01:00PM -0500, drew wrote:
Howdy folks,
A little late - but, I did manage to put a few hours into adding color
to the ODF icons found on the odftoolkit site[1].
To be honest at the moment I am not satisfied with these, though I
wanted to put a
In data 22 dicembre 2011 alle ore 09:23:57, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org ha scritto:
If none objects, we can commit these in 48 hours, and start fixing this
(instead of reinventing the wheel and creating new ones, or painting the
current icons).
It would be greatly appreciated
Am Donnerstag, 22. Dezember 2011 schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org:
Hi Drew, all,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:01:00PM -0500, drew wrote:
Howdy folks,
A little late - but, I did manage to put a few hours into adding color
to the ODF icons found on the odftoolkit site[1].
To
+1
For the few time I spent trying to give different colors
to the new icons, it was clear it was not something that
could be done reasonably well in a weekend.
No need to wait 48 hours: this is lazy consensus at
it's best.
Pedro.
--- Gio 22/12/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile ha scritto:
Hi Drew,
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 07:14 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
+1
For the few time I spent trying to give different colors
to the new icons, it was clear it was not something that
could be done reasonably well in a weekend.
No need to wait 48 hours: this is lazy consensus at
it's best.
+1 for
Hi Dennis,
Le 22 déc. 11 à 19:03, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
That is no help for simply wanting to see what the icons look like.
I see a file with an incredible number of icons in it and I don't
want to have to decode a patch to figure out what is happening. I
just want to know what the
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
That is no help for simply wanting to see what the icons look like.
I see a file with an incredible number of icons in it and I don't want to
have to decode a patch to figure out what is happening. I just want
Hello;
--- Gio 22/12/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org ha scritto:
48 hours is too short. The
practice is a minimum of 72 hours for a lazy consensus. (I
am not arguing against your proposal.)
I have no hurry to see this in but I do have to note that
this is exactly what lazy
correctly myself. However, if a response time is set, 48 hours is too
short [;).
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:10
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: RE: old colored vs new
...@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:10
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org;
dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: RE: old colored vs new monochrome icons
Hello;
--- Gio 22/12/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
ha scritto:
48 hours is too short. The
practice is a minimum
On 22/12/2011 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
It would help us to actually know which old icons are being
discussed here. Can they be seen somewhere?
This is by no means the full set, but the most visible icons in a
typical use case are shown at
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3623/ooomedie.png
: Thursday, December 22, 2011 14:25
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
On 22/12/2011 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
It would help us to actually know which old icons are being
discussed here. Can they be seen somewhere?
This is by no means the full set
and icons. My
browser doesn't display icon files either.
-Original Message-
From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:51
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
On Thu, Dec 22
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 10:48 +0100, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 12/17/2011 10:20 AM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
In data 17 dicembre 2011 alle ore 03:08:55, Rob Weir
robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
So if each application installs its own icons, then of course icons
will be application-specific.
In data 17 dicembre 2011 alle ore 03:08:55, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
ha scritto:
So if each application installs its own icons, then of course icons
will be application-specific. Needs no ghost from the grave to tell
us that. But we could just as well have multiple apps use the same
Am 12/17/2011 10:20 AM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
In data 17 dicembre 2011 alle ore 03:08:55, Rob Weir
robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
So if each application installs its own icons, then of course icons
will be application-specific. Needs no ghost from the grave to tell
us that. But we could
In data 16 dicembre 2011 alle ore 05:14:46, Dennis E. Hamilton
orc...@apache.org ha scritto:
The names OASIS, OpenDocument, Open Document Format
and ODF are trademarks of OASIS, the owner and developer
of this specification, and should only be used to refer to
the organization and
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: old colored vs new monochrome icons
For what it's worth, absent some sort of conformance test for ODF documents, I
am not that thrilled to see OpenOffice provide icons that may suggest a bit
too much alignment with the ODF specifications.
(I was similarly distracted when
...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 04:59
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
Ahem:
The names OASIS, OpenDocument, Open Document Format
and ODF
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob,
As far as I am concerned, unless those icons are issued by the OASIS ODF
Adoption TC, in a way that they are usable with anyone's ODF-supporting file
associations, that discussion doesn't count. (If the
Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 16:30
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob,
As far as I am concerned, unless those
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 16:30
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob,
As far as I am
types.
-Rob
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 16:30
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Am 12/15/2011 08:39 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
On 12/14/11 10:31 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 12/14/2011 03:39 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:02 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
The problem is a hard-to-change default is a control issue. And all
--- Gio 15/12/11, Marcus (OOo) ha scritto:
However, I still don't see a reason to delete the b/w
icons. Nothing has to be done. The bitmaps are there,
they get into builds, when we have
these icons colored then they become the default and the
b/w can be chosen manually.
Nothing dies in
Am 12/15/2011 08:54 PM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni:
--- Gio 15/12/11, Marcus (OOo) ha scritto:
However, I still don't see a reason to delete the b/w
icons. Nothing has to be done. The bitmaps are there,
they get into builds, when we have
these icons colored then they become the default and the
b/w
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 11:54 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 15/12/11, Marcus (OOo) ha scritto:
However, I still don't see a reason to delete the b/w
icons. Nothing has to be done. The bitmaps are there,
they get into builds, when we have
these icons colored then they become the
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 11:54 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 15/12/11, Marcus (OOo) ha scritto:
However, I still don't see a reason to delete the b/w
icons. Nothing has to be done. The bitmaps are there,
they get into
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 18:30 -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 11:54 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 15/12/11, Marcus (OOo) ha scritto:
However, I still don't see a reason to delete the b/w
icons.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 18:30 -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 11:54 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 15/12/11, Marcus (OOo) ha scritto:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 19:09 -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 18:30 -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 11:54 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
--- Gio 15/12/11, drew d...@baseanswers.com ha scritto:
...
Just a heads up - I've started coloring the current
monochrome set also,
COOL! Thanks for letting us know!
I;m taking a very minimalist approach - sometime over
15:24
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
--- Gio 15/12/11, drew d...@baseanswers.com ha scritto:
...
Just a heads up - I've started coloring the current
monochrome set also,
COOL! Thanks for letting us know!
I;m taking a very minimalist
Howdy Dennis,
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 17:43 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
For what it's worth Part II: I just checked the installed-icon sizes of all
the LibreOffice ones, and they do just fine without any letters or wording on
them at all. (They don't have the extra-large ones that will
Feb 2007.
The same notice appears in the ODF 1.2 specification documents.
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 17:44
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: old colored vs new monochrome icons
For what it's
On 14/12/2011 Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti
But can someone explain why the icons
were changed in the first place? Surely, someone had an argument for
this at the time?
In the wiki page Pedro linked there's a further link to the official
explanation page,
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:47:02 -0800
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org ha scritto:
2. Some (more) proof-of-concept sample documents that demonstrate
such embedding need to be collected as test vehicles. [Any solution
applies to all ODF formats - text, spreadsheet, presentation,
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:49:52 +0100
Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de ha scritto:
So, a +1 to keep the currenty design but to send them simply to a
paint shop. ;-)
+1 for me too.
AFAIK, nobody ever complained about design but many people screamed out
loud for the missing color schema.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti
pesce...@openoffice.org wrote:
On 14/12/2011 Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti
But can someone explain why the icons
were changed in the first place? Surely, someone had an argument for
this at the time?
In
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:58:50 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
So instead of fighting for control of the default icon set, think
about making this flexible. What if AOO was skinable via
extensions?
From my experience, the default icon set is what average user
mostly
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:58:50 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
So instead of fighting for control of the default icon set, think
about making this flexible. What if AOO was skinable via
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:58:50 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
So instead of fighting for control of the default icon
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:10:10 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
Yes, but the average user doesn't complain about the icon set on
mailing lists.
There were *many* complaints on blogs, fori, usenet groups *and* mailing
lists.
As long as I can remember, there were more
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:12:26 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
And think of it this way: there may be other icon sets that are even
more wonderful than the color icon set you want to change to. But
today, changing to an entirely new icon set is a big political battle
with
Hi, Gianluca,
It's a pleasure to see you here again….
(Note: Gianluca was one of OOo's first and originating marketing
leads, among other things. His tenure with and faith in OOo and the
process is great)
On 14 December 2011 09:17, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:12:26 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
And think of it this way: there may be other icon sets that are even
more wonderful than the color icon set you want to
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:02 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
The problem is a hard-to-change default is a control issue. And all
control issues are ultimately political. I'm suggesting that we turn
this into a trivial technical issue and let the user choose, rather
than
On 14.12.2011 15:17, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:10:10 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
Yes, but the average user doesn't complain about the icon set on
mailing lists.
There were *many* complaints on blogs, fori, usenet groups *and* mailing
lists.
As
On 14.12.2011 14:58, Rob Weir wrote:
So instead of fighting for control of the default icon set, think
about making this flexible. What if AOO was skinable via
extensions?
It is not only about the application's UI, it is also about the icons in
file managers and when the icons there became
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:24:16 -0500
Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com ha scritto:
Hi, Gianluca,
It's a pleasure to see you here again….
Hi, Louis!
Ten years passed away and we are still talking about OO. :-P
Again, I think we have tabula rasa. But I also think that, as Rob
On 14.12.2011 14:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti
pesce...@openoffice.org wrote:
On 14/12/2011 Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti
But can someone explain why the icons
were changed in the first place? Surely, someone had an
--- Mer 14/12/11, Gianluca Turconi ha scritto:
I agree as I've replied to Rob.
Indeed, we already have a volunteer (Pedro) that wants to
do the short term work. ;-)
Really??? ;).
I never meant to volunteer for anything but I did note
that reverting the Hg change was an easy solution:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:02 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
The problem is a hard-to-change default is a control issue. And all
control issues are ultimately political. I'm
El 14/12/11 16:52, Rob Weir escribió:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:02 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
The problem is a hard-to-change default is a control issue. And all
control issues
: Gianluca Turconi [mailto:pub...@letturefantastiche.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 02:18
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FONTS] Inclusion in ODF (was RE: old colored vs new monochrome
icons)
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:47:02 -0800
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org ha
OK;
Let me play some more with coloring the new icons (gimp sucks,
inkscape is a little better) and if I don't get anything really
nice over the weekend, I will bring back the older icons.
Some more patience won't hurt ;).
cheers,
Pedro.
--- Mer 14/12/11, Gianluca Turconi
Am 12/14/2011 03:10 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:58:50 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
So instead of fighting for control of the default icon set, think
about making
Am 12/14/2011 03:39 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:02 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
The problem is a hard-to-change default is a control issue. And all
control issues are ultimately political. I'm suggesting that we turn
this into a trivial
Am 12/14/2011 11:30 AM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:49:52 +0100
Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de ha scritto:
So, a +1 to keep the currenty design but to send them simply to a
paint shop. ;-)
+1 for me too.
AFAIK, nobody ever complained about design but many
On 12/14/11 10:31 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 12/14/2011 03:39 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
Il giorno Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:02 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
The problem is a hard-to-change default is a control issue. And all
control issues are ultimately political. I'm
On 12/14/11 4:07 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Mer 14/12/11, Gianluca Turconi ha scritto:
I agree as I've replied to Rob.
Indeed, we already have a volunteer (Pedro) that wants to
do the short term work. ;-)
Really??? ;).
I never meant to volunteer for anything but I did note
that
Hi Jürgen,
Le 15 déc. 11 à 08:42, Jürgen Schmidt a écrit :
Right now I am actually playing with the new icons to colorize
them: the new icons are very well done and colorizing them is not
easy but I think it would be
worth it.
:-) mmh the reason is that they were made by a professional
Hi;
Perhaps it's time to retake the famous issue concerning the
unpopular icon coloring change for OpenOffice.org.
It looks like this change:
http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/rev/b2b4215e6f9b
caused this reaction:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141
And while the easy
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org ha scritto:
I would think that we should keep the new icons but
effectively color code them: it doesn't seem difficult
to do in a first glance but ultimately this is a delicate
issue that is likely to cause strong
Hi,
On 13 December 2011 12:12, Gianluca Turconi
pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org ha scritto:
I would think that we should keep the new icons but
effectively color code them: it doesn't seem difficult
to do in
@orcmid
-Original Message-
From: Gianluca Turconi [mailto:pub...@letturefantastiche.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:13
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons
[ ... ]
P.S. to whom is interested, the most wanted future by the usenet
Am 12/13/2011 06:12 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org ha scritto:
I would think that we should keep the new icons but
effectively color code them: it doesn't seem difficult
to do in a first glance but ultimately this is
Hi,
On 13 December 2011 17:49, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 12/13/2011 06:12 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
Il giorno Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org ha scritto:
I would think that we should keep the new icons but
effectively color code
On 13/12/2011 Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 12/13/2011 06:12 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
I can only say that a colored icon set for OO is the second
most wanted feature in the usenet Italian community. ...
So, you think that a big hint like 3.4 will be with the old b/w icons
but we will do
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti
pesce...@openoffice.org wrote:
On 13/12/2011 Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 12/13/2011 06:12 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
I can only say that a colored icon set for OO is the second
most wanted feature in the usenet Italian community. ...
So, you
: [FONTS] Inclusion in ODF (was RE: old colored vs new monochrome icons)
A short time before the most-recent ODF Plugfest, Jos van den Oever
demonstrated that ODF already has a means by which fonts can be embedded in the
ODF document. (I will dig up appropriate links when I am more awake.)
So
On 13 December 2011 19:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti
pesce...@openoffice.org wrote:
On 13/12/2011 Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 12/13/2011 06:12 PM, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
snip
I can only say that a colored icon set for OO is the second
I can only say that a colored icon set for OO is the second
most wanted feature in the usenet Italian community. ...
[...]
And, considering the flamewars we have seen on the issue on other lists,
being able to restore the colored icons back without too much discussion or
formality would be an
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