Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 10:52 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >> > -1 >> > >> > I don't understand why there is continued pressin

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 19:12 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> The essential question to ask is, what rights do users of the doc >> have?  If we want downstream consumers to be able to copy, modify and >> redistribute t

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:24 PM, TerryE wrote: > On 02/08/11 23:28, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> With the wiki, if we really want to allow anyone to have write access >> to it, then we really need to be committed to fight the weeds, which >> in the case of wikis would be spam

Re: User guide licensing (was: Refactoring the brand)

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 20:43 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jean Hollis Weber >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 10:52 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 2,

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > 2011/8/3 Rob Weir >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Manfred A. Reiter >> wrote: >> > 2011/8/2 Rob Weir >> > >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Andy Brown >> >> wro

Question on Category-A licenses, specifically CC-A

Category-A compatible licenses [1] as listed includes an entry labeled "Creative Commons Attribution (CC-A)". This links to a CC-BY 2.5 license page [2]. We have a potential contribution of user guides for the OpenOffice Podling that is dual licensed under GPL and CC-BY 3.0. How should we procee

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Original-Nachricht >> Von: Rob Weir >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter >> wrote: >> > 2011/8/3 Rob Weir >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 2

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM, TerryE wrote: > On 03/08/11 13:57, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel >>  wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> ---- Original-Nachricht >>>> >>>>

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 3 August 2011 14:14, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM, TerryE wrote: >> > On 03/08/11 13:57, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andr

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > >> Von: Rob Weir > >> >> Sorry, replacing Andre's speculation with your speculation is not the >> same as introducing facts. > > I did not do any speculation in my mail, the only

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > >> Von: Rob Weir > >> > >> > I think there is a difference between informed hypothesis and >> speculation >> > :-) >> >> And neither is the same as facts.  I'm conce

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > > Rob, a nice polemic but why is it relevant to a point about /usage patterns/ > on the wiki.  I am already working 12+ hours a day on migration this /pro > bono/, not salaried by some company to do my job.   If you want hard data to > info

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi, > >> Von: Rob Weir > >> > >> > There is no need to try to find something in my mails what I didn't >> actually write. >> > >> >> Andre,  perhaps you forgot, but you did s

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 3 August 2011 15:10, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Andre Schnabel >> wrote: >> > Hi Rob, >> > >> >> Von: Rob Weir >> > >> >> > >> >&g

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> A specific question then that should not require diverting your >> current efforts.  Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism >> to send an email to every reg

Temporary issue tracking

I have some random issues in the back of my head that I know we need to resolve at some point, but not now, but I don't want to forget them. I'm going to start listing them at the bottom of the Project Planning wiki page here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng > OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/download/index.html > > This page lacks headers and footers, which brings m

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM, TerryE wrote: > On 03/08/11 16:15, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison >>  wrote: >>> >>> On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>> A specific question then that sh

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/03/2011 05:56 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote: >>> >>> There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng >>> OpenO

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

I'll give you the context, from earlier in the thread. > A specific question then that should not require diverting your > current efforts. Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism > to send an email to every registered wiki user? > > I don't want to take time away from your higher pr

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >  1. Well, if we *have* to require an iCLA because we choose (or are limited > to) an approach that makes iCLA mandatory, there is nothing to be gained by > conducting a survey on the matter. > >  2. If we come up with an approach where

Re: Temporary issue tracking

now, in a way > that won't get in the way of a merge of the OpenOffice.org when we're ready > to throw that switch. > If you want to push for something heavier, then I'm fine with that also. But the wiki is sufficient for me, for now, to dump issues. >  - Dennis > &

Re: Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: > I am keen to help facilitate an Apache OpenOffice theme within the upcoming > Apache BarCamp scheduled for Oxford on September 11[1]. > In particular, it would be great if developers from both OpenOffice and > LibreOffice could meetup. We ca

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Do you mean this? > > http://www.openoffic.org > http://www.openoffic.org/news > > Or which landing pages do you have in mind? > An idea: is there any easy way to get it into the header, so it is on every page? Something like "News: Apache Op

Re: Access to wiki

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:29 AM, TerryE wrote: > On 04/08/11 11:31, Jean Weber wrote: >> >> 2) Alternatively, or in addition, the first X edits/ contributions/ whatever are moderated by a group of people, any one of whom can approve or reject the items. After X acceptable contr

Re: Access to wiki

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I've got completely lost in all the mutations of the "Refactoring" > thread, and don't recall all that has been said, so please forgive me if > what I'm about to suggest has been dealt with already. > Thanks for starting a new thread. >

Re: test message - please ignore

List moderators have been working with Carl to debug some list subscription issues. I had not considered using the ooo-dev-sarcasm command. Does it usually work for you? I heard it is rarely effective. On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > There are many places where this is an

Re: Website Privacy Policy ( was: Migrating the web forums at user.services.openoffice.org to Apache servers )

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:54 PM, drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 21:44 -0400, drew wrote: >> On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 18:01 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> > > 5 - Currently the site references a Privacy Policy statement on the >> > > Oracle web site - will need to lockdown exactly

Re: Migrating the web forums at user.services.openoffice.org to Apache servers

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 05/08/11 08:10, eric b wrote: >> >> Le 5 août 11 à 03:12, Pedro Giffuni a écrit : >> >>> Yes, it will continue to be inclusive for all OpenOffice derivatives. >> >> >> So I'm still wondering why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are yet not listed ...

Re: Access to wiki

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 4 August 2011 15:22, Rob Weir wrote: >> The other set of concerns I had was with respect to content license. >> Today we seem to have a mix of 4 different licenses for contributed >> content, as well as content t

Re: Access to wiki

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 10:22 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> The other set of concerns I had was with respect to content license. >> Today we seem to have a mix of 4 different licenses for contributed >> content, as w

Re: Migrating the web forums at user.services.openoffice.org to Apache servers

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:24 PM, drew wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> I'd like to try and move this particular item to completion. >> >> Reading over the mailing list it is my opinion that their is a >> reasonable consensus for the Apache OpenOff

Re: Access to wiki

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> Let's look at a few examples on the wiki: >> >> Page on performance tuning initiatives in OOo: > > Do you mean "http://wiki.service

Re: Access to wiki

fferently (with appropriate attribution, etc., of course) without further > permission being obtained. > Yes, it is a mess. We can't change the past. But we can improve the future if we require that new contributions are uniformly under Apache 2.0. > > > > > -Original

Re: Access to wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Saturday, 2011-08-06 21:05:49 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >>  It is much more than just 2 categories, official or unofficial doc. >> Looking around I see things like: >> >> a) Official doc (c

Re: Access to wiki

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 21:05 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> I don't think that we can simply say, "If it is >> not official product doc in a release then it is appropriate to allow >> anyone to edit it anonymou

Re: Access to wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> Maybe I'm too skeptical,  but do we really have thousands of non core >> project members dropping in for minutes at a time, adding information >> on

An example of what's wrong up with the wiki

As mentioned before I'm concerned with the concentration of power on the wiki, with a few moderators/admins having arbitrary power over content, even though they have not signed the iCLA, are not committers and have not been appointed by the PPMC. So there is arbitrary authority, with no accountab

Re: Access to wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Sunday, 2011-08-07 11:27:26 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> So assigning an open license is entirely optional.  I could upload a >> page under by personal copyright and demand payment of 20 chickens or &

Re: Access to wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 07/08/11 16:55, Eike Rathke wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> On Sunday, 2011-08-07 11:27:26 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> So assigning an open license is entirely optional.  I could upload a >&

Re: An example of what's wrong up with the wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> As mentioned before I'm concerned with the concentration of power on >> the wiki, with a few moderators/admins having arbitrary power over >> content, even thou

Re: An example of what's wrong up with the wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> As mentioned before I'm concerned with the concentration of power on >> the wiki, with a few moderators/admins having arbitrary power over >> content, even t

Re: An example of what's wrong up with the wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 07.08.2011 18:30, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> As mentioned before I'm concerned with the concentration of power on >> the wiki, with a few moderators/admins having arbitrary power over >> content, even though th

Re: Access to wiki

) > need to be respectful of how Apache stewardship continues to satisfy their > desires in the matter. > For some definition of "OpenOffice.org", yes ;-) This is one reason why I want to have this cleared up for all future contributions. We can't change the past. Thi

Re: Access to wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 6 August 2011 22:11, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Jean Hollis Weber >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 10:22 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > > ... > >> Maybe I'm too skeptical,

Re: Access to wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 7 August 2011 16:55, Eike Rathke wrote: >> On Sunday, 2011-08-07 11:27:26 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > > ... > >>> 1) How do we ensure that contributions are made in a way that is >>> consistent with

Re: An example of what's wrong up with the wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Sunday, 2011-08-07 13:16:33 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > So basically you tried to troll the wiki to prove a point: >> > >> > If your edit stay in place you claim that there is a problem..

Re: An example of what's wrong up with the wiki

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2011/08/07 11:16 AM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> I think we need to do far better than what was just done, when a >> non-project member, one who just recently announced that they were >> leaving the project, de

Re: Migrating the web forums at user.services.openoffice.org to Apache servers

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> >> However, I would request that we be careful about the branding on the >> forums, since they are part of the Apache project.  For example, the >

Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > I've just finished a 1st cut of outstanding tasks and issues for the Wiki. > > See > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Wiki+Services > > Comments gratefully received on this DL and/or on the page itself. > At step

Re: Migrating the web forums at user.services.openoffice.org to Apache servers

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Simon Phipps  wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Rob Weir  wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> However, I woul

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for August 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

gt; volunteers on this job. >> Deadline is Wednesday - anybody who can do it now? > > I'll put my hand up and get a draft up this evening (NZ Time) > > Cheers > GL > > > > >> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> > Wow,

Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:41 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: > Rob, > On 8/7/2011 19:53, Rob Weir wrote: > [snip] >> >> I assuming that under the name "branding changes" we include: >> > [snip] >> >> 5) Suspension of legacy wiki admins or other super users

Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:30 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/7/2011 21:03, Rob Weir wrote: > [snip] >> >> I'd like to at least see a list of all existing super-users on the >> wiki, [snip] > > Where would you like to see it? This is readily available (at least to

Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Thanks, T.J.    I hope you do continue volunteering. >> >> I'd like to at least see a list of all existing super-users on the >> wiki, so we can

Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/7/2011 21:50, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:30 PM, TJ Frazier  wrote: >>> >>> On 8/7/2011 21:03, Rob Weir wrote: >>> [snip] >>>> >>>> I'd like to

Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: >> On 8/7/2011 21:50, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:30 PM, TJ Frazier  wrote: >>>> >>>> On 8/7/2011 21:03, Rob Weir wrote:

Re: [Proposal]

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: > I would like to propose breaking out a couple more mailing lists > web develop - either all languages or just en, which appears to be very > busy. What are examples of some threads that would belong in "web develop"? Have we had any threads lik

Re: [downloads] OOo 3.3 can not be downloaded from OOo site

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 8 Aug 2011, at 23:39, Christoph Jopp wrote: > >> I think I've found the error concerning the download page: >> If you have set your browsers preferred language to German and are using >> Linux, the download link leads you to an OOo 3.3.0 r

FAQ on the Oracle contribution and migration plans?

We've seen now twice the rumor mill in action. A month ago it was due to a water pipe breaking and causing the Kenai data center to be temporarily shut down. And just yesterday it was a mistaken interpretation of a download error and inability to ping some servers where ping was administratively di

Re: FAQ on the Oracle contribution and migration plans?

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > We've seen now twice the rumor mill in action. A month ago it was due > to a water pipe breaking and causing the Kenai data center to be > temporarily shut down. And just yesterday it was a mistaken > interpretation of a d

Re: [www] Color me Copyright-confused

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Dave, > > I've been pondering this some more.  (I saw Drew's post on the Apache-license > wording being there since at least April.) > > I don't know about injection of the Apache license notice in comments, > but I am definitely conce

Re: [Repo] SVN ETA? (was Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.)

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/10/2011 01:45 PM, schrieb Mathias Bauer: >> >> On 09.08.2011 04:05, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >> >>> Hi; >>> >>> I appreciate the tough work that is being done to transfer >>> the Wiki, forums, etc ... but I would've thought the greatest >

Re: OOo trademark/logo usage request

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Peter Junge wrote: > Hi, > > I have received a trademark usage request from the BHV publishing house in > Germany. BHV is frequently publishing a package called "OpenOffice.org > für Ein- und Umsteiger", means OOo for beginners and people migrating from > other sui

Re: OOo trademark/logo usage request

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Peter Junge wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have received a trademark usage request from the BHV publishing house in >> Germany. BHV is frequently publishing a package called "OpenOffic

Re: [Repo] SVN ETA? (was Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.)

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I think we agree we want a complete Hg (or git) on Apache Extras, so we can > preserve what we can and also so we can cherry pick anything we find that we > need to draw over to the SVN repo, to repair problems on the SVN, etc. > > Gre

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > >> On 8 August 2011 16:14, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> ... >> >> > From my perspective, I don't see the one BIG list as bad, but it would be >> > VERY helpful if folks could label messages mo

Re: Update on the community wiki

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > Hmmm... if this is just a temporary URL, I wonder if we should try to exclude search engine indexing via robots.txt ? Otherwise, now that the URL is known, we're going to get spidered but then all those l

Re: Update on the community wiki

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message----- >> From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] >> Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2011 9:29 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Update on the community wiki &

Re: registration

Send email to: ooo-dev-subscr...@incubator.apache.org Also, see: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html -Rob On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:02 AM, genevieve Berthault wrote: > > > > Hello! I would like to subscribe to this mailing list please. > All the best, > Genny

Re: [www] html instead of markdown (mdtext)?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > I am proposing that we adopt plain HTML for the OOo website instead of the > current markdown (mdtext) implementation. > > I hesitate to make this recommendation given ALL the time and research Dave > and others have already spent on the curren

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > >> +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories on >> the community wiki.  I see no reason why it needs to be maintained anywhere >> else requiring higher cerem

Re: [email] openoffice.org email / user transition

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I haven't seen any recent progress on planning the transition for > openoffice.org email. > > Sooner or later the openoffice.org mail server will be replaced. We have seen > that the system is flakey and has been down for as much as one week

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >>> On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" >>> wrote: >>> >>>&

Re: [www] html instead of markdown (mdtext)?

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message----- >> From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] >> Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 5:45 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [www] html instead of markdown (md

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 12/08/11 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber  wrote: >>> >>> On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" >>>  wrote: >>> >>>>

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> I'm assuming that it is the new list subscriber that benefits most >> from this.  Existing subscribers will just follow the conventions they >> observ

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> The range of contributors to the website is identical to the range of >> contributors to the wiki.  The only difference is in the wiki case >> they need

Re: [www] html instead of markdown (mdtext)?

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > (To provide a little context while Gav may be asleep) > > On 8/12/2011 9:26 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Gavin McDonald >>  wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at

Re: [download] How to count AOO downloads?

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Hi, > > just to keep is short: > > What is the way to count software downloads in an Apache project? > I don't know if Apache has a better way, at the mirror level. But at the very least, if we agree on using Google Analytics. we can track

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

al and a willingness to implement the alternative. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 07:57 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal]) &g

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 16:53, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> -1 >>> >>> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! >>> >

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> -1 >>> >>> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! >>> >

Re: [www] html instead of markdown (mdtext)?

Terry >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Shane Curcuru >>  wrote: >>> >>> (To provide a little context while Gav may be asleep) >>> >>> On 8/12/2011 9:26 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Michael Stahl wrote: > hi Apache mentors, > > i've got a question as to what extent an ICLA from the copyright holder is > required for code contributions. > > a volunteer who is currently working in GSoC over at LibreOffice (who has > not signed an Apache ICLA) h

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 16:30, drew wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Well, I thought I'd start this list - unless folks think it is too soon >> of course. >> >> Currently the OO.o web sites, all of them, utilize a third party >> analytics firm (not Google)

Re: [www][wiki] Web, Wiki, and Participation (was RE: Making mailing lists useful ...)

"[www][${project}]". We can also ask for > someone to step up and lead the content conversion process for a project. > > Regards, > Dave > > > >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Nóirín Plunkett [mailto:noi...@apache.org] >

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Friday, 2011-08-12 13:29:00 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > Before taking that step, it's worth asking if the project actually >> > has a need for web analytics yet. They were included on OO

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 21:14, Eike Rathke wrote: > >> So first question is: analytics yes or no, which affects also the >> Privacy Policy. > > I suggest the right question is "which project members need which data and > why". The answer today m

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

Web analytics > > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 22:01, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >>> >>> I suggest the right question is "which project members need which data and >>> why". The answer today may well

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/12/2011 11:01 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Simon Phipps  wrote: >>> >>> On 12 Aug 2011, at 21:14, Eike Rathke wrote: >>> >>>> So first question is: an

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/12/2011 10:42 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Eike Rathke  wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> On Friday, 2011-08-12 13:29:00 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >>

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:57 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/12/2011 17:15, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On 12 Aug 2011, at 22:01, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Simon Phipps  wrote: >>>> >>>> I suggest the right question

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message----- >> From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 8:31 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [WWW] Web analytics >> &

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/13/2011 12:30 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> Remember, even if we used Piwik, the data would be in the US.  All >> user accounts for Apache, all wiki accounts, all mailing lists >> subscription data, etc., is

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: >> >> 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote: >>> Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a controlled a

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Friday, 2011-08-12 16:42:20 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > The big difference is that with Piwik the data collected stays inhouse >> > at Apache, whereas with Google it goes to Google that does what

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:45 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/13/2011 08:37, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier  wrote: >>> >>> On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: >>>> >>>> 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: &

Re: Fundraising

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > Shane wrote: > > "Note that the issue of monetary contributions and/or donations is a major > one, especially since there are real policy differences between how > OpenOffice.org used to work under Sun/Oracle and how the ASF does it's > fundraisi

Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

June 30, 2011 16:05 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours? > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:54, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Alexandro Colorado >> wrote: > [ ... ] >>> >>> I can arg

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