Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
gt; wrote: > >>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > >>>> The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the definition > >>>> of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a major failing of process which > >>>&

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
ave Fisher" wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > >>> The fact that it never occurred to

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 13, 2012 11:00 PM, "Kay Schenk" wrote: > ?.. > > It never occurred to me that any of them would have necessarily been > interested. The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the definition of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a major failing of pr

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 12, 2012 6:29 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" wrote: > ... > > As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our men

Re: Marketing events

2012-10-10 Thread Ross Gardler
On 10 October 2012 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: >>> >>> >>> > +1, this is just brainstorming about something of common interest so at >>> > this stage its best to be as public as possible. If there is a clear >>> > proposal outside the scope of ASF th

Re: Marketing events

2012-10-10 Thread Ross Gardler
On 9 October 2012 22:05, Raphael Bircher wrote: ... >> It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least >> one Apache member present. > Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at > FLOSS Events. I'm afraid your assumption is incorrect. The ASF is mu

Re: ApacheconEU2012

2012-10-04 Thread Ross Gardler
As a student you're entitled tithe student rate of 75 EUR. See the tickets page of the website. Sent from my tablet On Oct 5, 2012 7:32 AM, "catriona" wrote: > Dear sir/Madam, > My name is Catriona White, I am currently a full-time student in South > Australia. > I am a Apache Open Office commun

Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)

2012-10-02 Thread Ross Gardler
e queue > > (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: OpenOffice status

2012-10-02 Thread Ross Gardler
aduate as soon > as those discussions have reached good enough consensus. > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-25 Thread Ross Gardler
On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: >> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat wrote: >>> I feel honored to be listed. I would like to help PMC if there is a >>> chance. >>> >>> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be i

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012

2012-09-24 Thread Ross Gardler
gal@ > CC here. To my knowledge though, I think that you already have approval to > proceed based on > old discussions I saw regarding this topic on board@, and also based on Ross > Gardler being a > board@ guy and Apache OO mentor and bringing this up too. I don't speak for th

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Just to confirm that I have received no offline nominations. Sent from my tablet On Sep 19, 2012 12:00 AM, "Andrew Rist" wrote: > (top posting after private messages - I cannot describe the shame I > feel... ;-) > > I have an option that I believe will handle Andrea's concerns. I have > spoken

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-20 Thread Ross Gardler
On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb wrote: > > Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the > private@tlp list. > Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not > public either. There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the PMC to d

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-19 Thread Ross Gardler
in the mailing lists favor. This approach is simple and >> based on impressions of individuals involved with this project. I don't >> see much wrong with that. Picking "10" has been difficult for all of us, >> but I did understand that "10" was not a magic number for the final PMC. >> >> I agree with Juergen that we should c

Re: [PROPOSAL] Fund Allocation for ApacheCon EU 2012, Germany in Nov. 2012

2012-09-19 Thread Ross Gardler
:37 PM, "Oliver-Rainer Wittmann" wrote: > Hi Ross, > > On 18.09.2012 15:53, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> I've sent this to treasurer@ since it will, ultimately be the >> treasurer who signs off on any spend. I don't expect any problems, >> just makin

Re: [PROPOSAL] Fund Allocation for ApacheCon EU 2012, Germany in Nov. 2012

2012-09-18 Thread Ross Gardler
volunteering to be part of this small group. > Who else is joining? > > If nobody objects in the next 72 hours, I will put the proposal into > practice. > > Best regards, Oliver. -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Moderating ooo-private

2012-09-15 Thread Ross Gardler
Many user enquiries come to ooo-private and are moderated through. They shouldn't be. That list should have almost zero traffic. Users are finding the list somehow, seems the documentation needs fixing. For those that do find their way through consider rejecting them with a boiler plate response

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Ross Gardler
On 27 August 2012 19:03, drew wrote: > So - if I may be so bold. Reading email this morning my gut feeling is > that there is a lot of violent agreement going on.. I agree. If everyone will just step away from their keyboards for a couple of days, then come back with a precise statement of what

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Ross Gardler
There are, as many have pointed out, two issues. The first is, can AOO do what it is doing - the answer to this one is yes and has been clearly expressed a number of times in this thread. The second is whether AOO can go a step further than what it is already doing. The answer to this is No, as has

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Ross Gardler
e clarity that exists then, if necessary, go to legal@ with three remainder. Continuing to argue is a waste if time. >From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Aug 26, 2012 10:17 AM, "Rob Weir" wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > Mov

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Ross Gardler
Moving back to AOO lists These argument is a waste of everyones time. It seems to me that what is/is not permissible is clear, indeed has been clear for some time.the summary is... Patches welcome. More importantly... As for some members of the AOO PPMC implying this is all new to them because i

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Now that the community graduation ballot has passed, one of our next >>> > tasks is to identify a PMC Chair. >>> > >>> > You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: >>> > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair >>> > >>> > How do we want to do this? >>> > >>> > A strawman proposal: >>> > >>> > 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate >>> > someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course >>> > nominations can be declined. >>> > >>> > 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there >>> > are no sustained objections. >>> > >>> > 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for >>> > another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some >>> > subjects might be directed to ooo-private. >>> > >>> > 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees >>> > then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes >>> > would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates we >>> > would probably need to use a more complicated voting system, or have a >>> > run-off vote if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. >>> > >>> > Any improvements or alternatives to this basic scheme? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > -Rob >>> > >>> >>> -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-24 Thread Ross Gardler
>> > How do we want to do this? >> > >> > A strawman proposal: >> > >> > 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate >> > someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course >> > nominations can be declined. >> > >> > 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there >> > are no sustained objections. >> > >> > 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for >> > another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some >> > subjects might be directed to ooo-private. >> > >> > 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees >> > then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes >> > would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates we >> > would probably need to use a more complicated voting system, or have a >> > run-off vote if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. >> > >> > Any improvements or alternatives to this basic scheme? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > -Rob >> > >> >> -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23 August 2012 19:49, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I'm not comfortable having a PMC Chair election and nomination on ooo-dev. >>> >>>

Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-19 Thread Ross Gardler
ion should not affect the community vote. I believe my position is consistent with the chart, which shows the community vote prior to the charter andthe IPMC (of which I am a member) vote after the charter. Ross On Aug 19, 2012 11:59 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4

Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-19 Thread Ross Gardler
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > I'm unable to vote either way until: > > > > A) a PMC chair has been identified by the community > > > > B) a resolution for the TLP is prepared which will define what we are > > voting on > >

Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-19 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm unable to vote either way until: A) a PMC chair has been identified by the community B) a resolution for the TLP is prepared which will define what we are voting on Note, I'm generally in favour of the proposal but I do want to be sure that the community has the resources it needs to continu

Some requests... ApacheCon and OpenOffice

2012-07-27 Thread Ross Gardler
ing up a dev environment for AOO. Ideally this will go from a fresh Windows install in a VM to building AOO in its entirety. Furthermore it would be best for someone else to record this session using a screen recorder and later turn it into a online resource. I hope others can take the time to post t

Branding on extensions site

2012-07-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Is there a reason the extensions site is using the old oo.o logo rather than the AOO one? Ross

Fwd: Old projects with incomplete copyright diligence

2012-07-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Seems we missed a bit of process... >From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness -- Forwarded message -- From: "Henri Yandell" Date: Jul 8, 2012 3:22 AM Subject: Old projects with incomplete copyright diligence To: "general-incubator" The following projects haven't signe

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a Translator Role

2012-07-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Please ensure this wont pose problems for infra. >From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Jul 7, 2012 8:37 PM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > I'd like to propose that the project consider a special level of Committer > called Translator. > > These individuals will need to meet the followi

Re: CWS swbookmarkfixes01 rebasing and licensing

2012-07-03 Thread Ross Gardler
I'd suggest being even more patient. In my experience people don't give answers to general queries involving legal issues. A specific question, like "please can we we have CWS foo since the community wishes to integrate it" is more likely to get a response. The general case, as far as we are aware

Re: CWS swbookmarkfixes01 rebasing and licensing

2012-07-03 Thread Ross Gardler
hen be immediately > available under the ALv2 license? > > Best, > > Bjoern -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012

2012-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
On 27 June 2012 14:50, Donald Harbison wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Kevin Grignon > wrote: > >> Don, >> >> I've added some content to the planning doc on the cwiki. >> >> Question: is the conference focused on opensource methods and process, or >> on the actual products, or both? >>

Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like programme

2012-06-25 Thread Ross Gardler
on signing an > ICLA? Whether an ICLA is required or not is up to the project in question. In the case of ASF projects we will require ICLAs if the student is given write access to repositories. Not all projects are as rigid about ICLAs as we are but that's not a concern for this list I

Re: [VOTE] Participate in another GSoC like project

2012-06-25 Thread Ross Gardler
Again - sorry - wrong list - not sure what is going on this mornig (see d...@community.apache.org if you want to vote) On 25 June 2012 13:30, Ross Gardler wrote: > This is an unusual vote in that it is running in parallel to the > DISCUSS thread as a result of external time restraints.

[VOTE] Participate in another GSoC like project

2012-06-25 Thread Ross Gardler
l not be voting). [ ] +1 Agree to sign a non-binding letter of intent to participate in a GSoC like pilot project as described in this votes DISCUSS thread [ ] -1 Do not participate in the OSKA pilot project due to limited time for appropriate consensus building [ ] -1 Do not sign because ... --

Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like programme

2012-06-25 Thread Ross Gardler
My apologies, I sent this to the wrong list (damned autocomplete) please ignore (or pick it up on d...@community.apache.org if you are interested) On 25 June 2012 13:15, Ross Gardler wrote: > Some may recall that I kept promising the arrival of students from an > EU Commission project on

[DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like programme

2012-06-25 Thread Ross Gardler
s. As a voluntary organisation we cannot guarantee that students will succeed, but we can provide an environment in which any sufficiently able student will find our projects supportive and educational. We look forward to extending our Google Summer of Code efforts to support the OSKA trial. -- Ross

Re: Must use the incubating qualifier

2012-06-23 Thread Ross Gardler
>> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rob Weir @ apache.org > wrote: >>> >> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Ross Gardler >>> >> > @ opendirective.com > wrote: >>> >> >> It has been pointed out on the general list that AOO

Must use the incubating qualifier

2012-06-23 Thread Ross Gardler
It has been pointed out on the general list that AOO is not always using the incubating qualifier. For example recent blog posts don't include it. Let's not forget it please. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.

Re: [EVENT] OSCON?

2012-06-22 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jun 22, 2012 10:16 PM, "Louis Suárez-Potts" wrote: > > Hi, > On 2012-06-21, at 10:56 , Donald Harbison wrote: > > > Is anyone planning on attending OSCON 2012 in Portland Oregon, July 16 - > > 20? http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012 >

Re: [EVENT] OSCON?

2012-06-21 Thread Ross Gardler
I'll be there, but not planning to represent the AOO project. Of course if there is anything I can do while there... >From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Jun 21, 2012 3:57 PM, "Donald Harbison" wrote: > Is anyone planning on attending OSCON 2012 in Portland Oregon, July 16 - >

Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds

2012-06-20 Thread Ross Gardler
2 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison > >wrote: >> >> > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Wolf Halton >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM, MJ Ray wrote: >> > > >> > > > Ross Gardler >> > >

Re: Tutorial: How to Use the Apache CMS Web Interface

2012-06-20 Thread Ross Gardler
; Or maybe the way to do this is via common tagging? > >> It's perfect promotion for our project in several ways. We provide >> useful tutorials that help our users, we show how easy it can be to join >> the project and do something useful, we do some good marketing for our >> project in general... >> >> >> Juergen >> >> -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy

2012-06-19 Thread Ross Gardler
Top posting as I'm not commenting on the text itself. I'd like to request that this document clarifies the purpose of the private list - we don't want to give the impression that the project conducts essential business on the private list. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and bre

Re: Tutorial: How to Use the Apache CMS Web Interface

2012-06-19 Thread Ross Gardler
g a video with Camtasia.  Hopefully this will be > useful to someone starting to use the CMS for the first time: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcDZN3Lu6HA > > Regards, > > -Rob -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category

2012-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
called for and to have it be > visible. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41 > >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June boar

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

2012-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
n Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt > > wrote: > > > On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > >> On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt > > wrote: > > >>> On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > >>>> On 7 June 2012 1

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

2012-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>> On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >>>> On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr wrote: >>>> >>>> ...

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

2012-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with pootle >>> currently requires commi

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

2012-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
cide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not and what > the alternatives are. No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to define its own expectations of committers. Thanks for highlighting it. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme

Re: *DRAFT* June board report...please help

2012-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Yes, I agree the funding thing is confusing. It is a situation that the ASF is not set up to manage, and one that probably won't happen again. That being said, someone in the PPMC needs to own these things. I'm aware of their status, so it is possible, but it would seem nobody else is tracking eac

Re: 2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

2012-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
revious, 2011-11-17, report there is an increase of 4 committers > and 9 PPMC members. > > There are no outstanding iCLAs for initial committers and there are no > remaining eligible initial committers who have not established themselves. > > >  [ ... ] -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Tolerance and acceptance

2012-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 June 2012 13:06, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> I move that there is no need to continue to fuel the fires of AOO vs >> LO. The PPMC is now effective at ignoring anti-AOO materials on our >> own lists. I suggest the PPM

Re: Tolerance and acceptance

2012-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 June 2012 12:24, Ross Gardler wrote: > I suggest that the ooo-users list is not the place for these kinds of > opinions, regardless of their validity. Thank you to the kind soul who pointed out how easy it is to offend in these sensitive matters. The above should have said "re

Tolerance and acceptance

2012-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
I move that there is no need to continue to fuel the fires of AOO vs LO. The PPMC is now effective at ignoring anti-AOO materials on our own lists. I suggest the PPMC should further silence inflammatory posts that are anti-LO on our lists. For example, a recent post on ooo-users said: "The LO guy

Re: *DRAFT* June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 June 2012 01:20, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> On 6 June 2012 00:14, Kay Schenk wrote: > > OK, here is the latest revision--and guess what, after some digging, I > found the SPI deal is done! YAY

Re: *DRAFT* June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 June 2012 00:14, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote: ... >> You probably also want to mention that the PPMC is starting to plan >> for graduation. >> > > Well I did mention that we were in the "discussion" sta

Re: *DRAFT* June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
e SPI transfer funds). You probably also want to mention that the PPMC is starting to plan for graduation. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Moving Category-B tarballs (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process)

2012-06-01 Thread Ross Gardler
generate(slst, cw, cw2); >         } >       } else { > ### > > This fix is fixed upstream in version 1.2.11, see > http://hunspell.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hunspell/hunspell/src/hunspell/hunspell.cxx?r1=1.8&r2=1.9 > > > That means with our further ongoing improvement

Re: Moving Category-B tarballs (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process)

2012-06-01 Thread Ross Gardler
7;ll have the clarity we need to bring consensus and thus plan for graduation. Once again, thank you Jeurgen. Ross > > Juergen > > > On 6/1/12 11:07 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> On 1 June 2012 09:50, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>> On 6/1/12 9:47 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >

Re: Moving Category-B tarballs (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process)

2012-06-01 Thread Ross Gardler
On 1 June 2012 09:50, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 6/1/12 9:47 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. >> On May 31, 2012 5:26 PM, "Pedro Giffuni" wrote: >>> ... >>> I admit this is very clear.

Re: Moving Category-B tarballs (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process)

2012-06-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 31, 2012 5:26 PM, "Pedro Giffuni" wrote: > > Hi Jürgen; > > Let me clarify some issues too ... > > On 05/31/12 10:39, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> >> ... >> ... > >> 6. we agreed to upstream changes to external libs where possible

Re: What is a PMC Chair?

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
and terseness On May 31, 2012 8:52 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > Since discussion has turned to graduation I'd like to invite people to > > consider who they would like to have as PMC chair. The first part of >

Re: What is a PMC Chair?

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
There is no score for an official co-chair. That is the board delegates to a single individual and that individual must take full responsibility. However, there is nothing stopping the chair sharing tasks or delegating someone to cover a board report whilst on holiday etc. Ross >From a mobile dev

Re: What is a PMC Chair?

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 May 2012 15:40, Shane Curcuru wrote: > On 2012-05-31 10:31 AM, Yong Lin Ma wrote: >> >> How often a new chair will be selected? Yearly or depends on ... ... > For a project like AOO, I personally think it would be valuable to have an > expectation of an annual nomination/vote process for t

Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 May 2012 15:01, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> On 28 May 2012 19:10, Rob Weir wrote: >> There is one particularly nasty job left to do - decide who will be in >> the PMC upon graduation and who will not. In the past I h

What is a PMC Chair?

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
suited to be a chair. Ross [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
nt sentiment.  Are we all +1 > for going ahead?  If not, please list what pre-graduation tasks you > believe need to be done first. > > Thanks! > > -Rob -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Moving Category-B tarballs (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process)

2012-05-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 May 2012 12:54, Andre Fischer wrote: > On 31.05.2012 03:45, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> --- Mer 30/5/12, Rob Weir  ha scritto: ... >> You mean source distribution (tarballs) don't build on >> their own and depend on what we carry in SVN? Sounds >> like something is wrong. > > > It will still b

Re: AOO 2 million?

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 9:19 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote: > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, drew jensen wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> Sent from my mobile device, please forg

Re: AOO 2 million?

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "drew jensen" wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, &

Re: AOO 2 million?

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew" wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we downplayed > > the mentor role

Re: AOO 2 million?

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Gardler
ile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > > > After Rich's interview with me another men

Re: AOO 2 million?

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Gardler
+1 to a return to a focus on the community members. After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more important than the coding. Not a

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 24 May 2012 12:44, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> Thanks for the pointer Shane. Its a shame people can't see this for what it >> is. The LO team are taking a step that makes collaboration easier from a >> technical

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks for the pointer Shane. Its a shame people can't see this for what it is. The LO team are taking a step that makes collaboration easier from a technical point of view. This is a good thing. Yes, the sharing of code is still one way, unless individual contributors decide to submit patches to

Re: Apache license (invariant section)

2012-05-22 Thread Ross Gardler
On 22 May 2012 20:44, Guy Waterval wrote: > Is this possible and if so, how the text of the Apache 2.0 > license should it be formulated? It's only possible if you change the license and then it wouldn't be the Apache license. That is there is no built in mechanism to do this.

Re: OpenOffice on eBay

2012-05-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Larry, You are entitled to your opinion but please keep it civil. Our license permits the OP from conducting business the way they want to as long as they respect our trademarks. They are seeking to do that. Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 18, 2012 10:

Re: Troll warning

2012-05-18 Thread Ross Gardler
On 18 May 2012 13:21, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> But 'Rob Weir Farts During Playing of LibreOffice National >> Anthem" will be headline news and will be retweeted 100 times. >> > > You made me ROFL. Thanks for that. Have a good Friday. I too la

Re: Can you please send less emails...

2012-05-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Here's a trick I use. Set up a filter for your name and have it mark such mails as important. Then adopt a practice of using peoples names when you specifically want them to comment, e.g. "I'd like to know what Foo has planned before we move on that". Others will follow suit. When you come back yo

Re: Performance!

2012-05-10 Thread Ross Gardler
key.asc > > <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ > Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ > Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ > Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ > EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ > -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Shout Out for our Mentors!

2012-05-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 9, 2012 11:26 PM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote: > ... > > You've exceeded our expectations to get to this point so quickly, > > +1

Re: Troll warning

2012-05-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 9, 2012 3:25 AM, "Fernando Cassia" wrote: > > This is what Apache has to deal with... ... and we've consistently found the best thing to do is to follow Gandalf's lead. Gandalf (from Tolkien's The Hobbit) lets the trolls figh

Re: [URGENT] Broken download link

2012-05-08 Thread Ross Gardler
On 8 May 2012 15:09, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 5/8/12 3:54 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> >> The download binaries link from >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ is broken > > > I don't see the problem, it works for me. Can somebody else confirm the > problem ... Rob was fast ;-) Ross

Re: [URGENT] Broken download link

2012-05-08 Thread Ross Gardler
It's OK, I got Rob in chat, he's fixing. On 8 May 2012 14:54, Ross Gardler wrote: > The download binaries link from > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ is broken > -- > Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > Programme Leader (Open Development) > OpenDirective http://o

[URGENT] Broken download link

2012-05-08 Thread Ross Gardler
The download binaries link from http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ is broken -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: CWS licensing / summary ...

2012-05-04 Thread Ross Gardler
On 4 May 2012 12:07, Michael Meeks wrote: >        The replies so far seem to suggest that it is normal and acceptable for > code available from the tip of an active branch, from the Apache project > svn with an AL2 header on it, to not be under AL2. Is that correct ? Whilst in the Incubator and

Re: Apache branded presentation template?

2012-05-03 Thread Ross Gardler
used to talk about >> AOO at any kind of events. >> >> Anybody interested in designing one? >> >> Juergen -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: CWS licensing query ...

2012-05-03 Thread Ross Gardler
me repeat that as a mentor (which is why I've been contacted offlist) I believe the original question has been answered here and guidance has already been provided on how to identify and fill any *specific* holes an individual might see. I'm looking forward to seeing some new contributors e

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

2012-05-02 Thread Ross Gardler
On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffuni wrote: ... > I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful > vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights > the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) Ross --

AOO nears graduation

2012-04-30 Thread Ross Gardler
ar in mind that I am only one mentor and others might have different opinions. Nevertheless, I'm sufficiently confident in my position on this to state them publicly. Well done AOO Ross [1] http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/apache-asserts/2012/04/is-openofficeorg-an-apache-project-yet/inde

Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds

2012-04-30 Thread Ross Gardler
oha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. > In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html > Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: SPI

2012-04-29 Thread Ross Gardler
No we don't need SPI. The ASF has its own fundraising infrastructure. Thesis simply about ensuring money donated to SPI for OOo, before the move to the ASF, is used as intended. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Apr 29, 2012 3:28 PM, "Claudio Filho" wrote: > Hi >

Re: After AOO 3.4?

2012-04-29 Thread Ross Gardler
My IPMC vote will, as with Dave's, have nothing to do with integration with other ASF projects. Collaboration up and downstream is very important, but no more or less so for Apache projects. Neither does the project have to demonstrate success in all areas of potential collaboration, only a governa

Re: SPI

2012-04-27 Thread Ross Gardler
make more sense to use a wire transfer. I'll mail the appropriate list (fundraising@) and copy you in for the reply. Thanks, Ross > Wolf > > http://sourcefreedom.com > Apache developer: > wolfhal...@apache.org > On Apr 18, 2012 2:54 AM, "Ross Gardler" wrote: &g

Re: rollApp Launches Free Beta “OpenOffice on iPad” Cloud-Service

2012-04-20 Thread Ross Gardler
about them providing an app store separate from Apples. No such problems for Android though - I want it. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: CWS licensing query ...

2012-04-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19 April 2012 17:24, Michael Meeks wrote: >        1. Are those SGA's unmodified, and/or does the scope extend >           beyond the plain list of files, and just one version of >           them ? The SGAs signed by Oracle are, to the best of my knowledge, unmodified. The source text can be

Re: SPI

2012-04-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On the ASF side silence is approval, on the SPI side I'd have expected a response by now. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Apr 18, 2012 3:41 AM, "Wolf Halton" wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Ross Gardler >wrote: > &

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