Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi Jan, On 12-10-16, at 12:22 , jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on open issues I could find. Thanks. A lot of work. Last it was dealt with was probably (prior to Apache's advent) back in…. I

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread jan iversen
Thanks for your kind words. see below please: On 24 October 2012 19:49, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jan, On 12-10-16, at 12:22 , jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread jan iversen
May I politely ask if there are other comments or more importantly objections ? If not I will continue with the process and keep you posted, please remember comments are also welcome as the new workflow takes shape. Jan I. On 24 October 2012 20:18, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 12-10-24, at 14:35 , jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: May I politely ask if there are other comments or more importantly objections ? Press on. And expect to be patient: this is a volunteer effort. I'd also, if I were you, see about highlighting this effort at ApacheCon EU or NA

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread jan iversen
Where can I read more about ApacheCon EU or NA ? I cannot quite follow you here (mainly due to terms), is this about getting sponsor money to AOO ? It should be easy to get somebody from EU and others, I could call on the NLC to help QA and general testing. jan. On 24 October 2012 21:53,

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread Joost Andrae
Hi Jan, more information about ApacheCon can be found here: http://www.apachecon.eu/ Am 24.10.2012 22:03, schrieb jan iversen: Where can I read more about ApacheCon EU or NA ? I cannot quite follow you here (mainly due to terms), is this about getting sponsor money to AOO ? It should be easy

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 12-10-24, at 16:03 , jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I read more about ApacheCon EU or NA ? I cannot quite follow you here (mainly due to terms), is this about getting sponsor money to AOO ? http://www.apachecon.com/ No. That may be too late. It's about asking via the

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-24 Thread jan iversen
Got it, I did not think of the upcoming meeting. I think it is too early for that (maybe somebody has opinions??) I would like to present it, when it is ready to be launched...I dont like to present hot air :-) But as I understood it there is another conference early next year, that would be

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-19 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 17/10/2012 jan iversen wrote: Would it be an idea to have 1 UI file pr directory in main (that would be so easy to implement) and 1 Help file pr directory in helpContent2 ? Yes, this might work. Sure the current 276 files are too many, while consolidating too much on the other hand is very

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-19 Thread jan iversen
of splitting the discussion of a new l10n workflow from the discussion of file formats. That is I have succeed (I think) in making a workflow that does not rely on the fileformat. Jan.

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread Andre Fischer
On 16.10.2012 18:22, jan iversen wrote: Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on open issues I could find. Please have a look at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:L10proc.pdf and http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_AOO I hope we

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread jan iversen
Thanks for your support. a documentation question: do you find it a good idea to have (as in the document) a non-technical round-trip intended for translators etc. and then the deep technical round trip, or should I reduce it to just the technical part ? Sorry for not having formulated 9.7 very

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 16/10/2012 jan iversen wrote: Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on open issues I could find. Please have a look at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:L10proc.pdf and http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_AOO Thanks, this is a

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread jan iversen
Thanks. The biggest problem with .po is that it does not contain a file reference (the directory structure is a copy of the source structure), I can put the path in the po file as a comment, but that is not very robust. The translators will see no difference (apart from changing poEdit for

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread Andre Fischer
On 17.10.2012 10:05, jan iversen wrote: Thanks for your support. a documentation question: do you find it a good idea to have (as in the document) a non-technical round-trip intended for translators etc. and then the deep technical round trip, or should I reduce it to just the technical part ?

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread jan iversen
Andrea: I just got an idea on how to split the files and keep the number low. Would it be an idea to have 1 UI file pr directory in main (that would be so easy to implement) and 1 Help file pr directory in helpContent2 ? I could in addition have a build instruction in a new l10n directory,

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on open issues I could find. Please have a look at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:L10proc.pdf and

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread jan iversen
Thanks I did not see that file, that is what I want to make available for each language and in .po (or .xliff) format so it can be used in the editors. Talking about en-US I have a couple of questions (which you may have discussed in the past) 1) there are no translation to US, meaning that

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:36 AM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks I did not see that file, that is what I want to make available for each language and in .po (or .xliff) format so it can be used in the editors. Talking about en-US I have a couple of questions (which you may

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-17 Thread jan iversen
An internal audit sound like the best (and easiest) way. It should of course be done by a native speaking person (which rules me out), should I make a bugzilla issue or is there another task list you could put it on ? This person should also check the letter accellerators (Ca~ncel) I have a very

discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-16 Thread jan iversen
Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on open issues I could find. Please have a look at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:L10proc.pdf and http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_AOO I hope we can have a discussion on the open issues,

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 10/16/12, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Finally I have finished describing the current process, and also combining all the notes on open issues I could find. Please have a look at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:L10proc.pdf and

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-16 Thread jan iversen
Sorry for asking but what is ML discussions ? I will happely update information, but I would prefer to delay it until we have decided which way to go, once that is decided I will make a wiki page with the new workflow. jan. On 16 October 2012 20:36, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 10/16/12, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for asking but what is ML discussions ? Mailing list archives. This emails are publicly available on the web. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-l10n/ I will happely update information, but I would prefer to

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/16/12, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for asking but what is ML discussions ? Mailing list archives. This emails are publicly available on the web.

Re: discussion on new l10n workflow

2012-10-16 Thread jan iversen
I have in the meantime understood the request. Now the document is available under wiki as: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_AOO and also as pdf. best of two worlds. jan On 16 October 2012 22:53, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Alexandro