Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-11-01 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 30/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote: However, if we want to have a beta release of these lang packs, then this is not hard either: 1) Checked the PO files into the 3.4.x branch 2) Verify that they have correct license headers (assuming PO files allow a license header) 3) Generate a source package as a

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-11-01 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 11/1/12 10:09 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 31/10/2012 jan iversen wrote: Ok, I thought team meant language teams. But I have searched the Wiki and cannot find any documentation on the required QA procedure relating to national languages. Can it be, that it was never really defined and

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/30/12 4:22 PM, jan iversen wrote: Question: Is there a rule in the apache way defining who can do QA, or is it totally up to the single teams ? It's up to the teams I think Do we use the review statistic in pootle to anything, it seems actually quite clever. we don't make use of it

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-31 Thread jan iversen
I do not understand the release discussion assuming juergen is right. why don't we ask each team to send a mail confirming they have made QA then we would release the language packs officially (at least this time) this would also give us time to discuss the ideal situation. juergen: you will

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/31/12 12:18 PM, jan iversen wrote: I do not understand the release discussion assuming juergen is right. or I have misunderstand your question ;-) I think we as AOO can define how we do QQ and how we want to ensure the quality of our releases. Besides the functional aspects here we have

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-31 Thread jan iversen
Ok, I thought team meant language teams. But I have searched the Wiki and cannot find any documentation on the required QA procedure relating to national languages. Can it be, that it was never really defined and written down ?? For code, there seems to be guidelines, but also no real definition

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/27/12 3:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: ... it would probably allow to skip the release process and

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread RGB ES
2012/10/30 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 10/27/12 3:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: ...

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread jan iversen
+1, such a download page additional untested language packs would allow us to make a translation official immediately with a limited responsibility, just like the snapshots. jan On 30 October 2012 14:02, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/30 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/30/12 2:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:03 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/30 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 10/27/12 3:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Dave

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread jan iversen
Question: Is there a rule in the apache way defining who can do QA, or is it totally up to the single teams ? Do we use the review statistic in pootle to anything, it seems actually quite clever. Jan. On 30 October 2012 16:17, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/30/12 2:46 PM,

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/30/12 2:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:03 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/30 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 10/27/12 3:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:55

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-30 Thread jan iversen
Hi Speaking for myself and the other 2 in the teamwe do the translation to get AOO available in denmark (again). Right now another openSource product is using the fact that we cannot release our versions in danish, to their benefit. I do not want to compete (which is why I do not write the

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 26/10/2012 jan iversen wrote: On 26 October 2012 19:43, Andrea Pescetti wrote: - Releasing a new language is totally risk-free: a new language can't break functionality in OpenOffice, while any feature could have bugs and needs more qualified testing. I do not agree to that statement for

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: It is now clear that, thanks to new volunteers now coordinating on ooo-l10n, we will soon be in a position to add 3-5 new languages to Apache OpenOffice. It is also clear that at the moment we have no demand for a

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new languages I don't see a big difference between a langpack and a full install in this case, so I'd go for full installs, unless releasing langpacks helps in communicating that

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread jan iversen
just two small comments. have a nice weekend. Jan. On 26 October 2012 19:43, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new languages I don't see a big difference between a

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new languages I don't see a big difference between a langpack and a full install in this case, so I'd go for full installs, unless

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread jan iversen
On 26 October 2012 23:06, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new languages I don't see a big difference between a

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new languages I don't see a big difference between a

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/26/2012 11:20 PM, schrieb jan iversen: On 26 October 2012 23:06, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new languages

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread jan iversen
On 26 October 2012 23:38, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 11:20 PM, schrieb jan iversen: On 26 October 2012 23:06, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/26/2012 11:35 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir wrote: 1) release new languages via lang packs only for now 2) release full installs, but for only these new

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 10/26/2012 11:46 PM, schrieb jan iversen: On 26 October 2012 23:38, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 11:20 PM, schrieb jan iversen: On 26 October 2012 23:06, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/26/2012 07:43 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Rob Weir

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: ... it would probably allow to skip the release process and voting, since we would merely be adding 3-5 binary artifacts (built for different platforms). It is an interesting question if we should only vote for source releases. Certainly

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread jan iversen
+1, being a non-native english speakng person, I want to ensure that we keep the AOO stability in language versions and not just see them as nice to have add-on !! jan On 27 October 2012 01:48, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: ...

Re: [RELEASE] Releasing new languages for 3.4.1

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: ... it would probably allow to skip the release process and voting, since we would merely be adding 3-5 binary artifacts (built for different platforms). It is