AW: Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-31 Thread christian.hel...@tuxtax.de
Hi Gerard, Many of the problems we have dealing with information in computer systems is that the same concept is used in several contexts/ ontologies and ends up in a universal archetype that gets instantiated and becomes a non-universal. This state change confuses many systems (and

AW: Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-31 Thread christian.hel...@tuxtax.de
Hi Thomas, taking the risk of being too philosophical, I reply to the list anyway. you took the risk and you were;-) But that's ok, we like philosophy here... Sometimes it is hard to put all those thoughts into concrete terms. Just trying to cross some borders that might limit our thinking

AW: Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-31 Thread Sandrine VILLAEYS
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Archetypes and two-level modeling was: Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-30 Thread Sandrine VILLAEYS
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Archetypes and two-level modeling was: Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-29 Thread Tim Cook
Hi All, An interesting conversation that, while deemed philosophical by some, is really very pragmatic. A few weeks ago I said (on the openEHR Clinical list) I would write up more details about the 'why' (I did) and others should choose this approach to building clinical (or any other complex

Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-28 Thread Thomas Beale
Christian Heller wrote: Hi Thomas, taking the risk of being too philosophical, I reply to the list anyway. you took the risk and you were;-) But that's ok, we like philosophy here... to briefly reply/paraphrase your remarks: you are suggesting that the current split between the reference

Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-21 Thread Sam Heard
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Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Heller
I think this conversation needs to be off-line as it is more philosophical and feels like lets start all over again. We do need to be able to justify the openEHR approach but not on this technical list. I am very interested in an informed critique of the openEHR approach if you read our

Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-20 Thread Sam Heard
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Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-20 Thread Christian Heller
Dear Sam, We have been discussing the issue of templates and whether we keep an identifier of a template in the data. My concern has been that this ID might be seen as an absolute constraint on the data, whereas the precedence of constraint must be: knowledge models (reference models as

Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-20 Thread Thomas Beale
Christian Heller wrote: Dear Sam, We have been discussing the issue of templates and whether we keep an identifier of a template in the data. My concern has been that this ID might be seen as an absolute constraint on the data, whereas the precedence of constraint must be: knowledge

Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-20 Thread Gerard Freriks
Dear Sam, When a Template is shared by to communicating parties we will have to record this in the EHR. This is because this is the Information part of the contract the communicating parties have. It is one that pertains to their communications. When the Template is used to store

Templates - should we record which are used?

2005-10-20 Thread Christian Heller
Hi Thomas, well, that is one design approach, but it is not the one that we use in openEHR. In openEHR, the archetypes are seen as part of the ontology of information (distinct from ontologies of the real world like snomed-ct etc). We use them extensively in their own right. We don't I