Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-28 Thread M.E. Verhagen
Is it possible te test what the impact on the performance of opensim is when it uses mono 2.10 or even mono 3.0 instead of mono 2.6 ? For most linux systems it is no longer an issue to upgrade mono. In the past it was, but time changes. I think opensim should go for performance and not the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-28 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
A minimum version of mono 2.6 does not stop people using mono 2.10 or even 3.0. However, it allows OpenSim to work 'out-of-the-box' with older mono packages that are still shipping with some distributions, or with long term support versions of those distros. Once people know that they want to

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-28 Thread James Hughes
It seems that we are shooting for partial .net 4.0 support, and 2.6 is where we have that. So, if we are using features found in that version, then we are saying that version 2.6 is the bare minimum version that our code will run on. What is wrong with that? Mono 3 has some interesting

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-28 Thread Diva Canto
It's not our job to tell which version of mono people should use to run opensim. There are way too many Linux flavors out there with different monos, and each person running OpenSim has their own constraints and goals. Ideally, ppl should be able to use any version of mono they want/need.

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Ilan Tochner
Mono 2.10 was released Feb 15th, 2011, i.e almost two years ago. I don't think there is any target platform that mono 2.6 runs on that doesn't have mono 2.10 working on it as well. There have been many bug fixes in mono between the 2.6 release and the 2.10 release, some of which can definitely

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Dahlia Trimble
Nobody is asking you to use an older version. The minimum version is simply the earliest version that would be required to run OpenSimulator. Anyone is free to use any later version if they so choose. It's also not true that later versions are necessarily better. I've personally had to disable

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Ilan Tochner
If, as we both agree, OpenSim works differently with different versions of mono then people are going to report bugs that exist when OpenSim is run on mono versions prior to 2.10 that don't exist with mono version 2.10 and later. How many people are there in the OpenSim dev community that still

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Blake
This page [1] seems to indicate that anyone running OpenSimulator on Debian Squeeze (Current Stable Release) would be using* Mono v2.6.7 However, this page [2] seems to indicate that anyone running OpenSimulator on Ubuntu 11.11 or later would be using* Mono 2.10.x [1]

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Melanie
It has always been our policy to use the _lowest_ version of Mono that we can get by on to support the largest possible number of configurations and systems. This is not going to change. The feature required by recent code additions is found in Mono 2.6, so we are discussing Mono 2.6 now. We are

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Ilan Tochner
That's all well and good but saying we support mono version 2.6 and actually supporting it are two very different things. Who here is willing to spend their time fixing problems that only appear in versions before mono 2.10? (this isn't a rhetorical question, if you are willing to commit to doing

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Melanie
Since you have already stated that you will not support older versions, our decision will not affect you in any way. We have, for a long time, used mono 2.4 as the base simply because versions of distros in common use don't offer it as part of their repo. OpenSim targets not only Windows users

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-27 Thread Ilan Tochner
We use Linux too and have downloaded and used versions of mono that were not officially supported by the distro/version we used. There are alternative repositories people can use that are just a Google search away. IMO, supporting outdated mono versions is a luxury we can't afford in our

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-26 Thread James Hughes
+1 On 01/24/2013 10:29 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: Whilst writing JsonStore regression tests this evening, I hit the problem where modInvoke script methods of more than 4 parameters cannot be registered on Mono 2.4.3 as it doesn't implement the required larger multi-parameter Func generic

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-26 Thread Ilan Tochner
I second setting 2.10 as the base. If we'll be forcing people to upgrade I think we should upgrade to the latest stable release and not to one that is outdated. If OpenSim works fine with 3.0 then I'd vote for it to be the base. If we're still calling OpenSim alpha we should at least get the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-26 Thread Marcel Verhagen
I also second 2.10 as a base, but I think 3.0 is a bit to soon since that version is not yet available in a lot of stable linux repo's. On 26 jan. 2013, at 20:51, Ilan Tochner i...@kitely.com wrote: I second setting 2.10 as the base. If we'll be forcing people to upgrade I think we should

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-26 Thread Dahlia Trimble
I think the point is raise it to the minimum version which supports the codebase. If there was some feature in 2.10 that did not exist in 2.6 and that feature was required for proper execution, then 2.10 would be a better target. Otherwise it would just be forcing people to upgrade who would not

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-25 Thread Nebadon Izumi
do it +1 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Justin Clark-Casey jjusti...@googlemail.com wrote: Whilst writing JsonStore regression tests this evening, I hit the problem where modInvoke script methods of more than 4 parameters cannot be registered on Mono 2.4.3 as it doesn't implement the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-25 Thread Diva Canto
+1 On 1/24/2013 7:29 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: Whilst writing JsonStore regression tests this evening, I hit the problem where modInvoke script methods of more than 4 parameters cannot be registered on Mono 2.4.3 as it doesn't implement the required larger multi-parameter Func generic

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-25 Thread Mic Bowman
+1 On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Diva Canto d...@metaverseink.com wrote: +1 On 1/24/2013 7:29 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: Whilst writing JsonStore regression tests this evening, I hit the problem where modInvoke script methods of more than 4 parameters cannot be registered on Mono

Re: [Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-25 Thread Melanie
Hi, times change. Avination is 2.10.9 these days. +1 Melanie On 25/01/2013 23:31, Shaun Erickson wrote: As I recall, Melanie has/had strong objections to doing this, as it would affect her grid. -ste On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Mic Bowman cmick...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Fri,

[Opensim-dev] Raise minimum mono version to 2.6

2013-01-24 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Whilst writing JsonStore regression tests this evening, I hit the problem where modInvoke script methods of more than 4 parameters cannot be registered on Mono 2.4.3 as it doesn't implement the required larger multi-parameter Func generic types. Therefore, I want to bump the minimum Mono