[osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Mahan
Dear Darren, Topposting for effect. You write below: I will not be changing this in Solaris. What? You are the final arbiter of what goes into Solaris? People are coming forward with concern about safety and system integrity, and you rebuff them with the Go play with your marbles on the other

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Casper . Dik
On the particular issue, I would consider a flag, such as Disable OS Identification to client to be an acceptable option for all parties to consider. Do you understand that the ramifications of this flag are: SSH will frequently fail to interoperate with different

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 13:39, Christopher Mahan wrote: You write below: I will not be changing this in Solaris. What? You are the final arbiter of what goes into Solaris? No and I didn't say that. I said that I won't be changing it. I didn't say it wouldn't happen and I didn't say it

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Why did I say that I wouldn't put it into Solaris ? Well because I happen to be the engineer that put SSH into Solaris in the first place and I still work very closely with the engineers who currently look after it. Don't twist my

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Bill Rushmore
You do realize how simple it is to install OpenSSH from Sunfreeware or blastwave? If you don't like Sun's way it would take less time to change it than it did for me to type this email. Saying Sun stuff sucks and using Solaris 8 as a reference is a little out of line. Solaris 8 is 6 years old.

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- Bill Rushmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do realize how simple it is to install OpenSSH from Sunfreeware or blastwave? If you don't like Sun's way it would take less time to change it than it did for me to type this email. Saying Sun stuff sucks and using Solaris 8 as a reference

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Christopher Mahan wrote: Dear Darren, Topposting for effect. You write below: I will not be changing this in Solaris. What? You are the final arbiter of what goes into Solaris? People are coming forward with concern about safety and system integrity, and you rebuff

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Rich Teer
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Christopher Mahan wrote: customer. Let me tell you how it is from the trenches: Sun stuff sucks. It's much better than Microsoft or IBM, but it still blows chunks. We're using Solaris 8, and most of the admins here are clueless, Solaris 8? Well, that explains a lot.

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Casper . Dik
Finally, I am not beefing about SSH or other tech implementation. Ya'll do whatever you like. I am, however, concerned about the We work at Sun and we know what's best attitude. Solaris 10 _may_ be the best operating system in the world, but if people don't use it (for whatever reason, however

Re: [osol-discuss] Respect . Was Solaris and SSH

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Christopher Mahan wrote: customer. Let me tell you how it is from the trenches: Sun stuff sucks. It's much better than Microsoft or IBM, but it still blows chunks. We're using Solaris 8, and most of the admins here are