Another idea: I was driving today and came to my mind: huh
what could be a better example about a simple and classic
HPC setup, used on a practical matter: BMW Oracle Racing !
Is this a retired business used only by academic and governments ?
Of course not. BMW is a very commercial entity
On 08/ 8/10 10:54 AM, Stefan Parvu wrote:
Another idea: I was driving today and came to my mind: huh
what could be a better example about a simple and classic
HPC setup, used on a practical matter: BMW Oracle Racing !
Is this a retired business used only by academic and governments ?
Of course
I know they uses SUSE and HP. I dont think Oracle is realizing anything
regarding this except there is no license revenue for them on
HPC Solaris/systems.
And thats so plastic and real. Its true indeed since Sun/Solaris never
been a top 10 HPC player, *but* Sun did improve the image past
years
Stefan Parvu stefanparv...@yahoo.com wrote:
What Im afraid, based on this example, is that Oracle is looking
for a simple market segment, where they could milk a lot
of licenses for their products. Thats all. This means
goodbye to old good Solaris from many parts of industry ! And might
OpenSolaris community on February 14th 2008 because Sun did not make
OpenSolaris a truely oSS project:
http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples
Im very sad by the latest development of (Open)Solaris.
I hope to be 100% wrong on this and think that OSOL and Solaris
will value and
HPC is almost completely reserved for simulation these days, which means heavy
use by academic (and quasi-academic) organizations, with some government
stuff
thrown in as as well. I'm also of course seeing usage for render farms. :-)
What are you talking about !? Think something simple and
On 8/7/2010 5:52 AM, Stefan Parvu wrote:
HPC is almost completely reserved for simulation these days, which means heavy
use by academic (and quasi-academic) organizations, with some government stuff
thrown in as as well. I'm also of course seeing usage for render farms. :-)
What are you
yes - that's simulation. What I said. And who do you think has these big
weather simulation setups? Certainly not each TV station...
HPC is a vital business close to our society. If Oracle is a system company
they must play HPC and support it the way IBM and other big irons do.
Im not gonna start
Groups for Illumos:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115926828458102
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=3283798
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| On 2010-08-05 19:39:07, Edward Martinez wrote:
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| And i also like the part that it' says about being
package neutral it would be nice if i could
bootstrap netbsd's pkgsrc on to a illumos base
install and
Ivan Wang wrote:
You need a distro built upon it to actually benefit
from illumos, plus things like X Windows stack (FOX
gate?,)
The FOX gate is obsolete and no longer maintained,
since the project to
replace all portions of the X consolidation with open
source completed.
The xnv-clone
The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not
Oracle!
Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or
Workstation OS, it's an
OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells
server-hardware. So, trying
to derive from that fact, that Solaris/OpenSolaris is
only a server OS is
On 08/ 5/10 06:32 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not
Oracle!
Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or
Workstation OS, it's an
OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells
server-hardware. So, trying
to derive from that fact, that
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote:
Ivan Wang wrote:
You need a distro built upon it to actually benefit from illumos, plus
things like X Windows stack (FOX gate?,)
The FOX gate is obsolete and no longer maintained, since the project to
replace all portions of the X
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS, contrasted with I am a PC and
I am a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
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You (Ian Collins) wrote:
On 08/ 5/10 06:32 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not
Oracle!
Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or
Workstation OS, it's an
OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells
server-hardware. So, trying
This is great to have a community-driven OS/Net consolidation, but... what the
point to do a secret preparation work and announce the project release date,
if we still cannot see any information on illumos.org on how to build the
OS/Net? Or maybe download any binary? We only know that the
On 5 Aug 2010, at 12:06, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS, contrasted with I am a PC
and I am a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
The good news is that it isn't copyrighted by Apple. The bad news is that it's
copyrighted by Cisco,
On 5 Aug 2010, at 12:24, Calum Benson wrote:
On 5 Aug 2010, at 12:06, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS, contrasted with I am a PC
and I am a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
The good news is that it isn't copyrighted by
I (Matthias Pfützner) wrote:
And: BTW: Sun/Oracle also no longer sells Monitors,
so, the only desktop HW currently are the Sun Rays...
Meant in the traditional sense of a real system at the desktop or
deskside...
And: Yes, there still are mouse and keyboards for the Sun Rays..., afaik...
Answer is simple. HPC business is negative margin, and Oracle don't do
any negative margin business.
Ashish Nabira
Enterprise IT Architect
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
7th floor , Prestige Obelisk, Kasturba Rd
Bangalore, KN 560025 IN
Phone x89854/+91 8066930 854
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Email
On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS, contrasted with I am a PC and I am
a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with TheOS.
Or, maybe TOTOS (The One True OS).
wink
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote:
On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS, contrasted with I am a PC
and I am a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with
On 8/5/2010 5:30 AM, Ashish Nabira wrote:
Answer is simple. HPC business is negative margin, and Oracle don't do
any negative margin business.
http://www.sun.com/solaris * Ashish Nabira *
Enterprise IT Architect
*Sun Microsystems, Inc.*
7th floor , Prestige Obelisk, Kasturba Rd
On 8/5/2010 6:48 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
Erik Trimbleerik.trim...@oracle.com wrote:
On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS, contrasted with I am a PC and I am
a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted
Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
Hmm...didn't FOX gate have Martin's ports of drivers for some
of the legacy SPARC graphics hardware? Having a fair bit of same
still in use, those are still a matter of concern for me.
Yes, but those aren't in sync with current X servers, and he hasn't
touched them
I was making a bunch of source tarballs to archive the latest Oracle Xorg and
ON snv_146 based sources.
We found out that snv_145 built successfully with the merges from IllumOS gate
from another developer and today I was working on reviewing the snv_146 build
which was respun yesterday.
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 07:06 -0700, Erik Trimble wrote:
I know, but, it's Theo. And, that's all I'm gonna say on that topic. :-)
I'm not sure that the OpenSolaris codebase is sufficiently angry and
rude to be a *proper* Theo. *Cough* :)
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On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS,
contrasted with I am a PC and I am a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with
TheOS.
Or, maybe TOTOS (The One True OS).
On 8/5/2010 9:26 AM, devsk wrote:
On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS,
contrasted with I am a PC and I am a Mac
- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of
Garrett D'Amore, the Benevolent Dictator for now of the IllumOS project, has
posted a slide show in pdf format:
http://www.illumos.org/attachments/download/3/illumos.pdf
At the present time, the only thing I cared is that these great slides are made
using Oracle's OpenOffice.org 3.2 (pls see
Garrett D'Amore, the Benevolent Dictator for now of
the IllumOS project, has posted a slide show in pdf
format:
http://www.illumos.org/attachments/download/3/illumos.
pdf
At the present time, the only thing I cared is that
these great slides are made using Oracle's
OpenOffice.org 3.2
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| On 2010-08-05 19:39:07, Edward Martinez wrote:
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| And i also like the part that it' says about being package neutral it
would be nice if i could bootstrap netbsd's pkgsrc on to a illumos base
install and compile
Oh, please. None of this is serious. I'm sure we can come up with a
real bunch of interesting names, but being *serious* isn't relevant.
Irreverent, maybe. :-)
trademark pending ??
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Love the sound of this project!
If there is a fork in the future, do we think that we can just point our
installs to the Illumos repo and do `pkg image-update`? Or am I missing the
point somewhat?
Whatever happens, good luck to you guys!
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John Martin, any ideas?
As this also would work for the standard Solaris, because at least, nVIDIA
already does provide the drivers for Solaris...
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home_new.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/what_is_cuda_new.html
John Martin, any ideas?
As this also would work for the standard Solaris,
because at least, nVIDIA
already does provide the drivers for Solaris...
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home_new.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/what_is_cuda_new.html
If you're going there, I'd be more interested in
OpenCL, which
is vendor-independent. That for Nvidia devices,
getting to OpenCL
might also get one to CUDA along the way is to my
mind secondary.
As an end result, that's a good goal to aim for - but there's already been a
proof-of-concept
The Illumos Project
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A number of the community leaders from the OpenSolaris community have
been working quietly together on a new effort called
On 08/ 4/10 05:27 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
John Martin, any ideas?
As this also would work for the standard Solaris, because at least, nVIDIA
already does provide the drivers for Solaris...
I don't see how Illumos provides added incentive
(ignoring potential open versus closed friction).
John
You (John Martin) wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 05:27 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
John Martin, any ideas?
As this also would work for the standard Solaris, because at least, nVIDIA
already does provide the drivers for Solaris...
I don't see how Illumos provides added incentive
(ignoring
On 08/ 4/10 09:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
But, like Adrian Cockcroft did twitter last night:
Mr. Ellison is backing Solaris. Pick your horse.
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John, you know me!
I only was dissatisfied by Adrian's comment, he also should know better!
Matthias
You (John Martin) wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 09:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
But, like Adrian Cockcroft did twitter last night:
Mr. Ellison is backing Solaris. Pick your horse.
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On 08/ 4/10 09:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
I wasn't refering to Illumos adding anything. I just mentioned, that nVIDIA
does write the driver for all versions of Solaris and that they are therefore
the focal point of contact, just like you mentioned. I only asked you, as you
are in good
I think people are missing the point here. This is just my $0.02, but
the effort is akin to kernel.org. They are maintaining a fully-open
base system in which others may build a distribution from. It is a lot
of userland too, but its most akin to being kernel, libc, and what one
expects in /sbin.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Paul Gress pgr...@optonline.net wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 09:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
I wasn't refering to Illumos adding anything. I just mentioned, that nVIDIA
does write the driver for all versions of Solaris and that they are
therefore
the focal point of
You (Paul Gress) wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 09:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
I wasn't refering to Illumos adding anything. I just mentioned, that nVIDIA
does write the driver for all versions of Solaris and that they are therefore
the focal point of contact, just like you mentioned. I only asked
On 08/ 4/10 11:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
I guess, I don't get, what you're after?
The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not Oracle!
Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or Workstation OS, it's an
OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells server-hardware.
So CUDA is for numerical computation, and doesn't involve any display, per se.
Of course you can visualize your results with the graphics card in many cases
with OpenGL directly, but that's not the point.
There have long been rumors about a CUDA driver for Solaris / OpenSolaris, but
it's never
On 08/ 4/10 11:24 AM, Paul Gress wrote:
Yes I believe that would be true if the OS was developed for
Workstations. The only commitment I see from Oracle is Servers and
Databases. Would CUDA help there?
Large scale GPGPU deployment is being done on servers.
On 08/ 4/10 12:48 PM, John Martin wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 11:24 AM, Paul Gress wrote:
Yes I believe that would be true if the OS was developed for
Workstations. The only commitment I see from Oracle is Servers and
Databases. Would CUDA help there?
Large scale GPGPU deployment is being done on
You (Paul Gress) wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 11:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
I guess, I don't get, what you're after?
The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not Oracle!
Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or Workstation OS, it's an
OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently
On 08/ 4/10 01:15 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
As others have mentioned, CUDA and OpenCL are also useful on servers.
I guess, I'm getting, where you're after...
IF you want DESKTOPS, you need to have someone certify them (HCTS), so that
they appear in the HCL (Sun/Oracle isn't in that
On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Paul Gress wrote:
Larry sees the profitable market as servers and databases. HPC, won't help
databases. HPC (high performance computers) basically are derived from
servers with additional components added to them to make them function as a
workstation, this
On 08/ 4/10 12:04 PM, Paul Gress wrote:
When I read the
Hardware Compatability notes for PTC Pro-Engineer WF5, it states there
are no current plans for its next generation WF6 MCAD product to be
developed on Solaris 10. This means to me, ...
On 08/ 4/10 02:26 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Paul Gress wrote:
Larry sees the profitable market as servers and databases. HPC, won't help
databases. HPC (high performance computers) basically are derived from servers
with additional components added to them
On 08/ 4/10 03:42 PM, John Martin wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 12:04 PM, Paul Gress wrote:
When I read the
Hardware Compatability notes for PTC Pro-Engineer WF5, it states there
are no current plans for its next generation WF6 MCAD product to be
developed on
On Aug 4, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Paul Gress wrote:
On 08/ 4/10 02:26 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Paul Gress wrote:
Larry sees the profitable market as servers and databases. HPC, won't help
databases. HPC (high performance computers) basically are derived from
Illumos is quite a mouthful for most of the world population to pronounce and
not a good catch-on name. I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called I am OS,
contrasted with I am a PC and I am a Mac...;-)) as an acronym for Illumos.
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Ugh, I am not sure people are missing the point here.
In fact, it's the point that illumos is an unburdened O/N, and O/N only.
You need a distro built upon it to actually benefit from illumos, plus things
like X Windows stack (FOX gate?,) GNOME desktop or whatever desktop environment
of choice
Ivan Wang wrote:
You need a distro built upon it to actually benefit from illumos, plus things
like X Windows stack (FOX gate?,)
The FOX gate is obsolete and no longer maintained, since the project to
replace all portions of the X consolidation with open source completed.
The xnv-clone
I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. I about to loose control..
and wait a minute, I can't attend the webinar unless I have Windows or Mac OS.
Add to your Outlook Calendar, WTF!!! Oh well, guess I'll just go to bed early
and catch the news tomorrow on my OpenSolaris or Linux
Hmm ... a spork ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/03/illumos_opensolaris_spork/ ...
I like it, I'm glad because it means there is a better looking future after
build 134.
At the end of the day I'd love it if Oracle just started talking and carried on
developing the project as a
Congrats on the new project!
A quick business-case question for you: is there a way you might offer
something reasonable in return for some financial support / donations from the
community? There are a lot of us who depend on OpenSolaris, and are frustrated
by the lack of updates, bug fixes,
Hmm ... a spork ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/03/illumos_openso
laris_spork/ ...
Typical b**chy write-up from Mr Prick-it Morgan. A spork eh? He's so talented
and so funny!
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One thing I didn't figure out from the announcement, since illumos starts as an
ON without corporate burden, is there game plan to also get a sample distro
using illumos ON? Nexenta might be one but probably a more desktop-oriented one
is needed, the need is like what it was at the time project
On 08/02/10 17:20, Cyril Plisko wrote:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Stefan Parvustefanparv...@yahoo.com wrote:
A number of the community leaders from the OpenSolaris community have
been working quietly together on a new effort called Illumos, and we're
Why quietly ? Is this a secret
Quoting Alan Hargreaves - Principal Field Technologist
alan.hargrea...@oracle.com:
[cut]
get there (being open) eventually, but it will take quite some time.
Maybe it's as simple as a few people getting sufficiently sick of
seeing the discussion boards full of people saying Someone should
Cyril Plisko cyril.pli...@mountall.com wrote:
I think that is something very much deep inside the community - the
love for secrecy.
Every project starts in the secret. If you like to come up with something
that looks seriously and that is working, you need to prepare it. Even SchilliX
was
I think that is something very much deep inside the community - the
love for secrecy.
Remember Secret Six - many years ago when Sun stopped Solaris x86.
Then OpenSolaris Pilot, then many OpenSolaris projects, that were done
secretly.
I do recall every bit of it and I do recall how hard time
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
I think that is something very much deep inside the
community - the
love for secrecy.
Every project starts in the secret. If you like to come
up with something
that looks seriously and that is working,
A number of the community leaders from the
OpenSolaris community have
been working quietly together on a new effort called
Illumos, and we're
just about ready to fully disclose our work to, and
invite the general
participation of, the general public.
We believe that everyone who is
Well, personally i would prefer if they all kept their work within
Oracle/Sun, but let's see what this Illumos project will be..
Interesting that they have people from Nexenta, and the site is hosted
within Stanford University Network...so back to home? ;)
Bruno
On 2-8-2010 21:43, Edward
Maybe it's as simple as a few people getting
sufficiently sick of seeing
the discussion boards full of people saying Someone
should do this and
Someone should do that; and decided to simply do
something instead of
complaining that someone else should do something?
If it's anything like
A number of the community leaders from the OpenSolaris community have
been working quietly together on a new effort called Illumos, and we're
Why quietly ? Is this a secret organization or !? If you value the community why
haven't you talked public *before* your project has started ?
thanks,
A number of the community leaders from the OpenSolaris community have
been working quietly together on a new effort called Illumos, and we're
just about ready to fully disclose our work to, and invite the general
participation of, the general public.
We believe that everyone who is interested in
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