On 05/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've had many a live upgrade go awry over the
years with Linux
distributions. I'd be more impressed with a reliable
upgrade system,
even if it requires a reboot with media or special
boot mode that is
faster than the
On 05/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ONLY Linux distribution where you can do a
live
upgrade is Debian.
You missed Gentoo!
okay okay. Live upgrade sans compiling :P
Gentoo has binary packages available too, so...
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Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't true at all, but many potential users will never get past
When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done that since 1995!
This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did publish Schillix,
the first OpenSolaris based distro. These people are
Seriously, many people have talked about this in the
past, and there are some
solutions today such as pkg-get which blastwave
uses, and apt was ported with
Nexenta...but I don't think it would matter as long
as people got their
packages and were able to have a network enabled
install.
On 05/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, many people have talked about this in the
past, and there are some
solutions today such as pkg-get which blastwave
uses, and apt was ported with
Nexenta...but I don't think it would matter as long
as people got
I've had many a live upgrade go awry over the
years with Linux
distributions. I'd be more impressed with a reliable
upgrade system,
even if it requires a reboot with media or special
boot mode that is
faster than the current process. live upgrade in
the linux context
strikes me as a
The ONLY Linux distribution where you can do a live
upgrade is Debian.
You missed Gentoo!
Venky.
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live
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You missed Gentoo!
okay okay. Live upgrade sans compiling :P
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Hi Alan,
Seriously, many people have talked about this in the past, and there are some
solutions today such as pkg-get which blastwave uses, and apt was ported with
Nexenta...but I don't think it would matter as long as people got their
packages and were able to have a network enabled install.
On Friday 30 March 2007 06:39 pm, Jason J. W. Williams wrote:
Hi Alan,
A packaging system like apt is exactly what I'd like. Frankly, a
packaging system that blends the binary delivery benefits of apt plus
the source delivery benefits of emerge would be fantastic. The
network install is
Joerg Schilling writes:
BTW: has pkgadd already been enhanced to include a tsort(1) like
feature to automatically install a list of packages in the right order?
CRs 4159916 and 4795539.
(I think the latter should be closed as a dup of the former.)
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Hi Joerg,
No need to get bristled about it. Feel is one of the big reasons folks
don't move off Linux...
-J
On 3/31/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason J. W. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Alan,
A packaging system like apt is exactly what I'd like. Frankly, a
Jason J. W. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Alan,
A packaging system like apt is exactly what I'd like. Frankly, a
packaging system that blends the binary delivery benefits of apt plus
the source delivery benefits of emerge would be fantastic. The
network install is primarily what
Hi Alan,
A packaging system like apt is exactly what I'd like. Frankly, a
packaging system that blends the binary delivery benefits of apt plus
the source delivery benefits of emerge would be fantastic. The
network install is primarily what we're missing...that and the pkg
utilities just feel a
On 3/21/07, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, I hope to see Ian active with the OpenSolaris community.;-)
Absolutely. My latency may be terrible though, particularly in the beginning
(as you've no doubt already noticed :-). Sorry about that.
-ian
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On Monday 26 March 2007 11:56 am, Ian Murdock wrote:
On 3/21/07, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, I hope to see Ian active with the OpenSolaris community.;-)
Absolutely. My latency may be terrible though, particularly in the
beginning (as you've no doubt already noticed :-).
On 22/03/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dick Davies wrote:
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pkginfo SUNWman does show:
system SUNWman On-Line Manual Pages
doesn't this mean it is installed?
That's the man command, not the man pages.
The
Shawn Walker wrote:
Your manpath probably isn't set correctly. The default manpath for
Solaris does *not* include all of the man directories for all
installed software; it is up to you set it appropriately.
Setting your manpath to include /usr/sfw/man, /opt/SUNWspro/man, etc.
would probably
On 23/03/07, Brian Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
Your manpath probably isn't set correctly. The default manpath for
Solaris does *not* include all of the man directories for all
installed software; it is up to you set it appropriately.
Setting your manpath to include
On 3/21/07, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are some interesting connections to Linux here as well. If you
think about it, what do people want when they say they want Linux?
The Linux kernel? Or the Linux distribution (i.e., GNU)? Could Solaris
become a better Linux than Linux by
Another thing that came to mind: the fact that Solaris needs a primary
partition to install on is a big problem in my view. I had set-up my
disk so there were 3 logical partitions of about 15GB for operating
systems (linux and I hoped OpenSolaris as well). Obviously, Solaris
couldn't install and
yes, I'm also a long time Linux user/developer who has recently working on
Solaris for a research project base on the DTrace tool.
It's true there're plenty of powerful tools in Solaris, but some habitual
Linux tools are miss or different. And this makes me feel uncomfortable.
Baseing on Solaris
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- then there are the command line programs. There might be a good
reason for this, but I feel that some of the Solaris-shipped tools are
inferior to the GNU tools. For example, I don't see a reason why a
simple recursive grep with
On 3/22/07, Dick Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It doesn't on linux either (i think you mean 'grep -r'),
but yes - this drives me mad too :) You should have a /usr/sfw/bin/ggrep
that works how you want - if not, you need to add the 'SUNWggrp' package.
In my version of grep (2.5.1), -R and -r
In my version of grep (2.5.1), -R and -r are the same. I use -R
because a lot of other tools, like ls, only support -R. ls -r means
'reverse'.
Tools like grep really should not have sprouted a -R because it
is contrary to the Unix tool philosophy. Gnu apparently wants to
reimplement all tools
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another thing that came to mind: the fact that Solaris needs a primary
partition to install on is a big problem in my view. I had set-up my
disk so there were 3 logical partitions of about 15GB for operating
systems (linux and I hoped
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All our tools accept man tool; that's actually 3 letters less typing.
Indeed; and for a concise Usage message, tool -? often (if
not always) does the trick.
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On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I personally find important in Linux is:
- the user experience, mostly embodied by the KDE desktop environment.
I don't like Gnome, so I don't like the default Solaris desktop
environment. I heard that there is a KDE project for
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another annoyance is that most tools do not accept --help. This is
common with GNU tools, and I prefer it over -h, because some tools
might use -h for a real thing. In case -h means remove all files,
then you're screwed...
That is
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
That is a matter of preference. I always hated the -- options GNU
utilities use since they were so much more to type. I will admit
You and me both!
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All our tools accept man tool; that's actually 3 letters less typing.
Indeed; and for a concise Usage message, tool -? often (if
not always) does the trick.
(I generally find the tool --help output unhelpful; it's generally
to terse and
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pkginfo SUNWman does show:
system SUNWman On-Line Manual Pages
doesn't this mean it is installed?
That's the man command, not the man pages.
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Dick Davies wrote:
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pkginfo SUNWman does show:
system SUNWman On-Line Manual Pages
doesn't this mean it is installed?
That's the man command, not the man pages.
The SUNWman package contains the man pages for the ON
On 22/03/07, Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pkginfo SUNWman does show:
system SUNWman On-Line Manual Pages
doesn't this mean it is installed?
That's the man command, not the man pages.
It's about 12700 manpages too.
Casper
On 3/19/07, Dale Ghent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Ian Murdock wrote:
Hi all,
Hi, Ian, welcome to the community!
Thanks! (SOrry for the delay weighing in--it's been a bit hectic these
past few days..)
You laid out a general outline of what you'll be doing at Sun,
great stuff snipped
I AM a newcomer here, which means I come with
fresh ideas and a lot of experience (both in what to do and what not to
do), but which also means I need to earn my voice. Let the earning begin!
You're the real honest to goodness community type person that we need around
here
On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 16:38 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
Really .. its so great to see Mr. Debian here. :-)
+1 :-)
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On Wednesday 21 March 2007 02:32 pm, Erast Benson wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 16:38 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
Really .. its so great to see Mr. Debian here. :-)
+1 :-)
Thanks Dennis, you have seconds. I'll contact you offline to setup your Debian
fan club community.:-/
Seriously, I
Alan,
I don't think you really care about .deb packages either, what I *think*
you're saying is give me a packaging system that works like apt does!, if I
understand you correctly. I'm in agreement with you, if that is what you
meant, and packaging is being looked at inside (Open)Solaris
Hi all,
It's being announced today that I'm joining Sun as chief operating
platforms officer, which basically means I'll be in charge of Sun's
operating system strategy, spanning Solaris and Linux. I just posted the
announcement on my blog (http://ianmurdock.com/2007/03/19/joining-sun/),
and
Hi Ian,
That's terrific!
3rd grade chantingPacking's gonna get fixed...packaging's gonna get
fixed...!/chanting
All kidding aside, you being on OpenSolaris is spectacular! Damn near
causing a house party where I works.
Hope you have fun at it.
Best Regards
Jason
On 3/19/07, Ian Murdock
On 3/19/07, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
It's being announced today that I'm joining Sun as chief operating
platforms officer, which basically means I'll be in charge of Sun's
operating system strategy, spanning Solaris and Linux. I just posted the
announcement on my blog
On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Ian Murdock wrote:
Hi all,
It's being announced today that I'm joining Sun as chief operating
platforms officer, which basically means I'll be in charge of Sun's
operating system strategy, spanning Solaris and Linux. I just
posted the
announcement on my blog
On Monday 19 March 2007 08:53 am, Ian Murdock wrote:
It's being announced today that I'm joining Sun as chief operating
platforms officer, which basically means I'll be in charge of Sun's
operating system strategy, spanning Solaris and Linux.
Good to see you come on board.
Will be looking
Jason,
3rd grade chantingPacking's gonna get fixed...packaging's gonna get
fixed...!/chanting
Indeed, apt-get for Solaris would be quite useful :P
DSL
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On 3/19/07, David Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason,
3rd grade chantingPacking's gonna get fixed...packaging's gonna get
fixed...!/chanting
Indeed, apt-get for Solaris would be quite useful :P
Isn't that Nexenta? Had to say it.
DSL
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Joe,
Indeed, apt-get for Solaris would be quite useful :P
Isn't that Nexenta? Had to say it.
I don't want the Ubuntu Userland on an OpenSolaris code base. I'd prefer
a distribution as close to Sun's release of Sun Solaris (tm) that I can
get but without Sun Solaris', errrm, wonderful?
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, David Lloyd wrote:
Indeed, apt-get for Solaris would be quite useful :P
Blastwave.org is thataway -
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Ian Murdock wrote On 03/20/07 00:53,:
Hi all,
It's being announced today that I'm joining Sun as chief operating
platforms officer, which basically means I'll be in charge of Sun's
operating system strategy, spanning Solaris and Linux. I just posted the
announcement on my blog
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