Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On May 30, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff IMHO), the reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into question - slam Linux, then provide middleware for it. Do you mind not spreading absolute FUD? Do you have a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: right time to do it now. Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff IMHO), the reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into question - slam Linux, then provide middleware for it. So, approximately 10 years ago when SUN purchased a pe

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/31/06, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/31/06, Ignacio Marambio Catán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff IMHO), the > > reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into question - slam Linux, > > then provide mi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On 5/31/06, *Ignacio Marambio Catán* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff IMHO), the > reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into question - slam Linux, >

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/31/06, Ignacio Marambio Catán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff IMHO), the> reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into question - slam Linux,> then provide middleware for it. how do you know what sun paid sco for?IIRC, a Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff IMHO), the reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into question - slam Linux, then provide middleware for it. how do you know what sun paid sco for? If SUN wishes to get the OSS world to start using Studio 11 as the com

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/31/06, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Kaiwai Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > There is a lot more Linux specific on GNOME.> >> > THe most important task we have with OpenSolaris is to convince people > > that> > trying to compile on Solaris is a must for every OpenSource pr

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 19:28 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > If it breaks CD/DVD writing (as it does on Linux) I would not call it > > > > cool. > > > > > > Not sure what you are talking about. HAL is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yep. And lets be real here, it is much easier for us to fix GCC compiler > to work properly on OpenSolaris than to fix or change mentality of those > "lazy" programmers... Studio 11 seems to implement enough GCC bugs to allow to compile most free softwar

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

"Kaiwai Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is a lot more Linux specific on GNOME. > > > > THe most important task we have with OpenSolaris is to convince people > > that > > trying to compile on Solaris is a must for every OpenSource project. > > > > For this reason, it is important to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Kaiwai & others, I'll state that porting/migrating Microsoft-related software to Solaris is pre-Y2000 idealogy. A statement I made earlier mentions 'software maintenance' which is the inherit flaw in this venture. Can you imagine maintaining all of that software you've just ported/migrated?? Wha

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 05:48 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > True, but there are alot of lazy programmers out there, still holding > onto the idea of 'if it compiles, ship it' along with the 'if it > compiles with GCC, it works' - its going to be difficult to convince > some of the OSS programmers o

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 05:48 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > On 5/30/06, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Kaiwai Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop > applications as > > if the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 19:28 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If it breaks CD/DVD writing (as it does on Linux) I would not call it > > > cool. > > > > Not sure what you are talking about. HAL is an abstraction layer. It > > doesn't re-implements anyt

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/30/06, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Kaiwai Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop applications as> if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the gnome-cd application, > its link to a linux cdrom.h header - now wou

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

> On Mon, 29 May 2006, Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: > >> It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in >> nevada shortly. > > All goodness, provided HAL doesn't go nuts and starts killing its > users. If my computer starts singing "Daisy, Daisy" when it boots, I can live with th

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If it breaks CD/DVD writing (as it does on Linux) I would not call it cool. > > Not sure what you are talking about. HAL is an abstraction layer. It > doesn't re-implements anything. On Linux there is a program called "hald", this program frequently sen

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 19:15 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in > > > nevada shortly. > > > > ..and committed to upstream CVS. this would be cool. Here is the > > original proposal: > > htt

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote: > > On 5/29/06, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want? > > > > The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it bei

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/29/06, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote: > On 5/29/06, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want? > > The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it bei

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in > > nevada shortly. > > ..and committed to upstream CVS. this would be cool. Here is the > original proposal: > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/tamarack/proposal.txt which developers > se

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

"Laszlo (Laca) Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:50 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop > > applications as if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the > > gnome-cd application, its link to a linux cdrom.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote: > On 5/29/06, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want? > > The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it being > explicitly allowed to ignore what you want. :-)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/29/06, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want? The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it being explicitly allowed to ignore what you want. :-) --Stefan -- Stefan Teleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 09:36 -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > On Mon, 29 May 2006, UNIX admin wrote: > > > The point should be not to keep PORTING Linux software to Solaris, > > but to start using Solaris as THE main development platform for open > > source software (and freeware). > > I agree that the l

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:34 -0400, Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:50 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop > > applications as if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the > > gnome-cd application, its link to a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 29 May 2006, Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: > It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in > nevada shortly. All goodness, provided HAL doesn't go nuts and starts killing its users. If my computer starts singing "Daisy, Daisy" when it boots, I'm yanking the power cord! :

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 29 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop applications as > if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the gnome-cd application, Agreed! -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 29 May 2006, UNIX admin wrote: > The point should be not to keep PORTING Linux software to Solaris, > but to start using Solaris as THE main development platform for open > source software (and freeware). I agree that the latter is the ultimate goal, but the former would be a good startin

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:50 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop > applications as if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the > gnome-cd application, its link to a linux cdrom.h header - now > wouldn't it be smarter to create an abstr

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 17:55 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > btw, do you know by any chance how to say Sun C compiler to always > > respect inlines statements? I tried different switches, never worked for > > me... > > You are trying to get non-POSIX b

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > btw, do you know by any chance how to say Sun C compiler to always > respect inlines statements? I tried different switches, never worked for > me... You are trying to get non-POSIX behavior. POSIX allows to always iognore the inline keyword. Jörg --

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

"Kaiwai Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop applications as > if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the gnome-cd application, > its link to a linux cdrom.h header - now wouldn't it be smarter to create an > abstraction layer

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 00:40 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > From this > > stand point, GCC-like and GNU-like environments are > > must to have and we > > are moving this road... aka NexentaOS > > GNU/OpenSolaris. > > I just happen to be working on porting a GCC written application to Sun > Studio 11

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 00:28 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > If you want to see software for Solaris x86/x64 you > > should consider > > having a look to NexentaOS http://www.gnusolaris.org > > Erast and Alex are > > working really hard to build all software using GCC. > > 9000+ packages > > now... >

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

On 5/29/06, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From this> stand point, GCC-like and GNU-like environments are> must to have and we> are moving this road... aka NexentaOS> GNU/OpenSolaris.I just happen to be working on porting a GCC written application to Sun Studio 11.  And all I can say is, G

[osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

> From this > stand point, GCC-like and GNU-like environments are > must to have and we > are moving this road... aka NexentaOS > GNU/OpenSolaris. I just happen to be working on porting a GCC written application to Sun Studio 11. And all I can say is, GCC is one of the worst, brain dead compiler

[osol-discuss] Re: Software for Solaris (was Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

> If you want to see software for Solaris x86/x64 you > should consider > having a look to NexentaOS http://www.gnusolaris.org > Erast and Alex are > working really hard to build all software using GCC. > 9000+ packages > now... And while Nexenta is a nice publicity stunt for OpenSolaris, if I wan