Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Help: Schillix 0.1 booted without GUI

2005-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Xirui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... The second one sounds easier. :-) How long will it take? I can't tell. The next release will definitely not have a GUI. I am not sure about the release after the next one ;-) Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Help: Schillix 0.1 booted without GUI

2005-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Scott Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:20:24PM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Jake Maciejewski wrote: I've been trying to build X with NetBSD's pkgsrc. I've never tried using pkgsrc, but Xorg 6.8.2 should build out of the box with little problem on most

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Peter C. Tribble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so. Solaris Express, and the Community release, are binary distributions based on OpenSolaris. Solaris 10 fails to qualify only as an accident in timing. And Sun provide prebuilt binary archives you can bfu. The next Solaris Express may be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you talking about how binaries built from ON and other Solaris consolidations are delivered, or about a hypothetical community-led third-party application repository like portage, pkgsrc, and blastwave provide today? Certainly unification in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SchilliX pkgsrc Xorg packages available

2005-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Maciejewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we need to wait for the driver source, as Jörg said. A possible alternative, however, might be the free aperture driver at http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/drivers/. If that works, we can have free X without waiting for the next tarball

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [dtrace-discuss] Re: b17 copying behaviour?

2005-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, [UTF-8] Jürgen Keil wrote: Quite a few people have reported full duplex problems with the elxl driver; maybe there's a bug somewhere in the elxl driver with full/half duplex negotiation? I have tried forcing half duplex

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Strange boot problems

2005-07-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dana H. Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have some really strange problems with booting Schillix on a PC with AMD Duron 650 and KT-133 chipset (IIRC). The boot hangs after printing: boot scratch memory used: 0x26102c If I remove the Mouse(PS-2), it boots. There

[osol-discuss] A macsot for SchilliX

2005-07-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
I am not sure if this should be something different from the OpenSolaris macsot. Last week, I had an Idea and the next working I found a nice drawing at the door of my office. The drawing had been made by Thomas Hirsch, a collegue. The idea for SchilliX is: Schilli, the knight in shining

Re: [osol-discuss] Xorg Bug or undocumented feature?

2005-07-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: The Makefile xc/programs/dpsinfo/Makefile contains: .psw.c : $(PSWRAP) $(PSWRAP) -a -o $*.c -h $*.h $ This syntax is neither covered by the POSIX make standard nor by the Sun make man page. I

Re: [osol-discuss] [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris JDS Desktop Community

2005-07-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to prove them wrong ;) I'd

Re: [osol-discuss] [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris JDS Desktop Community

2005-07-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stefan Teleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about a KDE community as well ? :-) lead-in: i am in the process of packaging and uploading KDE 3.4.1 for Solaris 10, both of x86 and SPARC, at KDE. finally. :-) i will post here when it's ready and sync'ed (very shortly). Solaris 10 is not

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dana H. Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: If I plug in a PS/2 mouse (even after the system is booted successfully) the keyboard becomes non-functional until the system is rebooted. That's odd. I'll have to forward this to the keyboard/mouse team; it doesn't sound

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dana H. Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look here: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/uts/i86pc/io/acpica/osl.c#570 What I'm contemplating is adding yet another acpi-user-options bit to disable access control for those willing to experiment with it. So you think of making

Re: [osol-discuss] [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris JDS Desktop Community

2005-07-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or other variants - in fact, I'd totally

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: A macsot for SchilliX

2005-07-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever it is .. it looks good. And he is a happy looking fellow isn't he? Should should have seen him at the time when there still was a dead penguin behind him :-) Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: Jul 2 11:10:09 s11 genunix: [ID 243001 kern.warning] WARNING: The binding file entry iprb 214 conflicts with a previous entry on line 201 of /etc/name_to_major Jul 2 11:10:09 s11 genunix: [ID

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Albertson, Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, in Solaris, Sun has stuck with good old Bourne Shell for the default root shell. For users, the shell is up to the administrator. The bells and whistles you are talking about in Linux come from them using BASH (Bourne Again Shell) by

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: A macsot for SchilliX

2005-07-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/7/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever it is .. it looks good. And he is a happy looking fellow isn't he? Should should have seen him at the time when there still was a dead

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: And BTW: it is definitely unfair to compare an instable devleopment kernel from Linux (2.6) with a stable Solaris-10. A fair comparison would compare Linux2.6 with Solaris-11 or Solaris-10 with Linux

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rainer Orth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: What is the status of iasl? Getting a standard Solaris iasl binary out would be very helpful. Dan Mick put one at ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/dmick/iasl A nice program, but unfortunately, it does not work on

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like that. Every user has the right for working cursor keys. So says you. Personally, I prefer to use the vi editing keys. I did never unserstand why someone would use vi methods at the shell prompt. The interface is bad to use because you need to know the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RE: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Gerhard S. wrote: That's fine. But why does /bin/sh not just implement command line editing? It's not that cursor key support Because then it wouldn't be the Bourne Shell! Solaris takes backwards compatibility more seriously than

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Mick put one at ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/dmick/iasl A nice program, but unfortunately, it does not work on OpenSolaris unless you create this lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jul 7 21:00 xsvc - fbs/aperture symlink. Why does iasl not

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gerhard S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Gerhard S. wrote: if I change the root default shell to bash. So now I end up typing bash or ksh set -o emacs after every su. Not very friendly. So put it into root's .profile. Not exactly hard work. But shouldn't be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Case in point: one of the first thing I do when I install a new system (personal one that is, not in my shared professional working environment) is install a .profile for root that runs ksh, because I like the features ksh has over sh. Do I find this any

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can save all of us a lot of trouble by reading the POSIX specification for how a POSIX compliant shell is supposed to work here: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/sh.html You may not understand or agree with it, but the great

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gerhard S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't even advocating changing /bin/sh to bash. Doing so would be nice of course, but I can see it truly breaking old scripts when moving from a old Bourne shell to something POSIX compliant like bash by default. bash is not POSIX copmpliant, it may

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tao Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for changing the default shell to a better one. I personally prefer ksh over bash, mainly because I think it's _technically_ more efficient to use Esc-k and the traditional vi-key-mode than those cursor keys. This was not true in 1984 when I wrote

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exec /bin/ksh -o vi As we alrerady have discussed before, this is a really bad idea as it may make a system unusable if /usr could not be mounted. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bruce Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exec /bin/ksh -o vi or exec /bin/ksh -o emacs If you remove the exec you are safe. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog:

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm, aperture exists since ~ 1994. The isal binary above is from June 21st 2005 It should be modified to check for /dev/fbs/aperture too. 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture 2) xsvc is a hack that should be replaced by a proper /dev/mem 3) sigh.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture 1a) I don't have one on my x86 system. It's existed since 1994 where, exactly? So get it from ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ or wait for the next SchilliX release. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's basically an open source version of xsvc included in Xorg for Solaris systems without xsvc (really ancient Solaris x86 or any version of Solaris SPARC).

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we toss in K3b? I think Kaffeine and K3b are always a nice combo for the DVD multimedia support in KDE. Has k3b been modified to become portable? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[osol-discuss] Annoying cc bug

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi, I just found an annoying cc bug: If I call cc -xarch=amd64 -fast ... I get a 32 bit binary If I call cc -fast -xarch=amd64 ... I get a 64 bit binary I would expect that the fact that I did specify a -xarch option is suddificent. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm.. Well I wasn't 'complaining' about Cd-record, just what I ran into while getting K3b compiled and packaged. Again, I said what **version** of CD-record do we use as a backend moving forward. Also, I mentioned lets mark what we think is worth porting as

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not help ud /usr is not mounted in single user emergency mode. /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin and when /usr is not mounted, then there is no /bin/ksh - the bourne shell dies from the exec above. In high end server environments,

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solaris is doing quite well, I see. Over 25 percent and closing in. We now have 37.9% and are on the top of the list ;-) Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture 1a) I don't have one on my x86 system. It's existed since 1994 where, exactly? So get it from ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ or wait

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all for DVD playback support. Heck, the latest Mplayer and Xine would be nice to see properly supported. We can always add encrypt/decrypt libraries later if its a license issue (or whatever) but let us at least get the applications ported as well as

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you like to discuss things, thell us what you are interested in Jörg 1. What are the latest binary versions of CD-Record available for Solaris 8/9/10 (SPARC x86/AMD64)? The latest binary version for Solaris 8 is 2.01.01a01 For

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Does CD-Record 2.01.01a01/03 provide complete DVD+R Double Layer and DVD-R Dual Layer recording support? NO (as I did write a few hours ago) As I did write some days ago, I had to decide whether to work on SchilliX or on dual layer. 3. Does Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: offering is better than the closed. Consistency with the DVDCCA's misguided and authoritarian philosophy is not some important additional feature but rather a serious design flaw. In Germany it is not a problem to write code that make it useable

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originally, before Solaris turned into OpenSolaris, and when Sun was adding to the Companion CD, the idea some in the community had was to build upon it so we didn't duplicate and add what was not there in hopes that it would eventually move into the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jürgen Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get terrible performance problems some of the times(reported here in a separate thread but didn't get much response from people, so assuming that everyone everyone? Or noone? is a getting a jittery USB mouse and skipping in xmms during IO

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josip Gracin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your complaint would probably be more suited for Sun's Solaris support department. Once the community creates a fully-fledged OpenSolaris-based distribution, then we can all discuss whether /bin/sh is linked to /bin/bash. I am not sure what you

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The build/test farm would be available to OpenSolaris developers, and will provide access to various high-end and low-end Sparc, x64 and other hardware platforms. We plan on making it better than what's currently available elsewhere, with help from the

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real solution is not in offering up a software service but in developing a grand unified software software service that can act as a non-OS open source software base of operations for the OpenSolaris project. There is no reason that this can not be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please give a full reference. POSIX. That isn't a full reference with version number, but it was enough to get me started. http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html Well in contraty to GNU make, Sun make includes a

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jasse Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tests that are only based on SX don't help OpenSolaris. I think you mean that tests on SX don't help Schillix. Do you think your Schillix distro is the OpenSolaris reference? It sounds like that anyway. If SX Build 18 it out, then Sun now also has an

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that there needs to be a separateion between OpenSolaris source and the software base sources. So how about something simple ? Each distribution would be free to keep there own source management location/solution, this would only expect a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that does not implement the features os /usr

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Theo Schlossnagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's worse than adding double hyphened long options? Also require no hyphen for other tools: http://jerkcity.com/jerkcity2434.html PS wars have been started by ATT in 1984. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Hamby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right. At least my comment led to an interesting discussion, as I didn't know about star and its functionality. It might also be worthwhile to look at FreeBSD's tar, which is fast, automatically recognizes .gz and .bz2 archives (and decodes them

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one that doesn't like the --something-or-other options of GNU related software? Personally, I now consider it preferable (like a little bonus) when a tool or command provides long option equivalents for short options. Why? If long

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well on powerfull aspect of solaris command recall using the vi is the ability to search and execute a command which is e.g. 20 in the history list with a simple /, while in linux bash you have to hit the up arrow 20 times. I think this makes the speed

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/15/05, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well on powerfull aspect of solaris command recall using the vi is the ability to search and execute a command which is e.g. 20 in the history list with a simple /, while in linux bash you have to hit the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot see that it would give more performance than star. star at the time libarchive was started was: * GPL * not a library Before that lib project started, I did aproach the FreeBSD people and offered to change star's license to *BSD. They were

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sunil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Star ised -bz long before GNU tar started with -j Star implement -o as documented on SUSv2 (UNIX-98) GNU tar does not correctly follow this standard. but Jorg, now that -j is there and is present all over in many places, does it not make sense to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 12:54:49PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: If a few things are granted with the packages, it would be possible to reuse the work of other people: Yes, and while there are some good points here, this list in general shows

Re: Long command line options for core utilities in Solaris (was Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris vs. Linux)

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kinds of risk? By definition, existing scripts and customers don't use the long options, so this would be justified only by how it enabled new markets (i.e., porting from Linux...); adding long options diverges the commands from the POSIX spec, so

Re: [blastware-discuss] [osol-discuss] Re: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually fail to see a Linux industry standard in POSIX; Well at a minimum, it's certainly key to much of the development of POSIX-like Linux distro standards and other Linux standards such as those

Re: [blastware-discuss] [osol-discuss] Re: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between Linux and Solaris is that Solaris has been certified for being SUSv3 compliant. Solaris, not OpenSolaris. This is an OpenSolaris list, Jörg. So you believe that we should not try

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:48:48PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: The implicit assumption here is that Sun make will be available as open source sometime in the next year and possibly sooner still. If you don't trust that assumption

Re: [blastware-discuss] [osol-discuss] Re: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between Linux and Solaris is that Solaris has been certified for being SUSv3 compliant. Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then perhaps the complaint about the particular use of the term illegal is misplaced. No. Jörg's further derogatory wording (broken, defective etc.) leaves no doubt about it. You can hardly claim that people

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming you mean the five I identified as planning (AFAICT) redistributable distros: Blastware JDS/GNOME + KDE Pkgsrc Portage SchilliX ... have anything in common. The answer to that question should be the focus of this discussion. The

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bart Smaalders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My impression is that you are not interested in a fruitful discussion but only listen to certain buzzwords and then start to pick on people. Sigh. Productive discussion focuses on the technology, not on the personalities. This sort of statement

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Hamby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you can see, star is the fastest and gtar is the slowest. My only complaint with star is that you can't combine single-letter options together (tar -xzf, tar -cjvf, etc.) like you can with every other version of tar. I'll have to have a look at the

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start planning) an base reference distro ASAP. If we like to talk about a reference distro, we first need to talk about the extent it should cover. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start planning) an base reference distro ASAP. If we like to talk about a reference distro, we

Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say runs on OpenSolaris[1] in the face of multiple OpenSolaris based distros? That is, if someone develops an application for Sun's Nevada release, *should* we expect it to, at a binary

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any makefile that uses $ in an explicit rule is dubtlessly broken if it claims to be portable and authors of free software usually claim to write portable software. _If_ they claim that. Otherwise they rely

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 06:58:24PM -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: I just did a quick performance test of bsdtar vs. gnutar, star, and Solaris tar in extracting a large (704MB uncompressed) .tar.bz2 archive: In the case of compressed files, especially

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Hamby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I did a more scientific test and uncompressed the archive first. Then I ran every version of tar at least twice (gtar three times b/c the first two runs were so different). I ran star at the end to make sure the results weren't getting slower

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 02:07 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: Am I the only one that doesn't like the --something-or-other options of GNU related software? Please don't do this to Solaris! No, you're not the only one. --options are completely

Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is, if someone develops an application for Sun's Nevada release, *should* we expect it to, at a binary compatable level, just run correctly on any other OpenSolaris-based distro? You cannot :-( Don't you mean: until Sun re-licenses its

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. If you have another system with cdrtools installed, use the `readcd` tool

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This statement does not help, it is no longer needed since 18 months. Ok, I'll put it this way. Using the version of cdrtools as distributed by blastwave.org, I cannot do cdrecord -scanbus without disabling volmgt first. blastwave.org reports these as

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _If_ they claim that. Otherwise they rely on documented behavior of GNU make. This is quite different from the authors implement code that matches GNU make bugs, as you were writing previously. The GNU make documentation claims that $ is the name

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to on my Solaris 10 GA system Jörg, otherwise I get errors. This statement does not help, it is no longer needed since 18 months. Ok, I'll put it this way. Using the version of cdrtools as distributed by blastwave.org, I cannot do cdrecord

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And by the way, does star also still need the -U option in addition to x to match historical tar behavior? Did I miss somtheing and there is a POSIX standard for star

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: If you have no medium in the drive, you will not see it due to the behavior of volmgt. Wait for Build 19 or 20 for a revised volmgt system that also shows empty drives while volmgt is running

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the whole Sun-Solaris. Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. That should

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. Good news Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog:

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jürgen Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly, I didn't have this problem with the first (same) CD-RW, only after rebooted from disk and started installing CD-2. That is, readcd didn't detect media errors on CD#1? If it doesn't, the CD-ROMdrive would be buggy. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren Kenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by Solaris / CDE in this context? To reiterate what we are planning and to try clarify things (I hope) : JDS, as a desktop platform, is essentially GNOME, in that we take GNOME packages and apply patches (which include bug

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gavin Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/14/05 20:11, Joerg Schilling wrote: Every second free software packet comes with illegal Makefiles that only work usually because they depend on bugs in Sun Make or GNU make. Note that OpenSolaris does not come with Sun Make, I use smake

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Paul Gress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my Solaris 10 GA, W2100z (Dual Opteron): $ /opt/csw/bin/cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01b35 (i386-pc-solaris2.8) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J�rg Schilling Unlocked features: ProDVD Clone Limited features: This copy of cdrecord is licensed

[osol-discuss] Problems booting on P-II 233 Notebook.

2005-07-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi, when trying to boot SchilliX on this notebook, I get: panic: failed to boot kernel/unix Now unfortunately we don't have all sources for multiboot so I am unable to even find out how to set the variable verbosemode to get better messages. How may I set verbosemode to a value != 0 and when

Re: [osol-discuss] Problems booting on P-II 233 Notebook.

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/20/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How may I set verbosemode to a value != 0 and when will we have full sources for multiboot? I'm pretty sure verbosemode is activated by doing -v to the kernel... Just like one does -kdv... -v

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part of a being in a community means being tactful and polite), but debian encompasses a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't. To be fair, one of the reasons that they don't is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a problem discussed a few days ago. Basically, as I understand it, Blastwave packages are supposed to work the same way on any Solaris version (from 8 to 11) and you can't guarantee that some required library would be in the base OS or in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 14:04, Chris Ricker wrote: creating a mysql-4.1 pkg from scratch. Or what if you want the same version that Sun shipped, but just need it compiled with different options? That's trivial on Linux distros, not so trivial on

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Mick wrote: and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. BTW, examining the source for aperture, it looks very much like programs designed to use /dev/xsvc (like the afore-argued-about iasl) would work fine if /dev/xsvc

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alvaro Lopez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages. Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort that has gone into the Debian system, and agree

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ferdinand O. Tempel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about this as well, and as a matter of fact, I want to go through with it. The Debian project itself isn't all that enthousiastic due to the GPL not being compatible with the CDDL and all that crap, but that doesn't mean noone else can

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be even better to not have to make that judgment call? Now don't get me wrong, the stuff done by the likes of Blastwave and Sunfreeware were *hugely* important - I'd just like to see us acting as a combined community, working on porting the software,

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Theo Schlossnagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that exactly what I mean. Debian will bring a huge set of quality software greatly integrated to OpenSolaris. Why do you expect that packages that only have been tested on Linux will even compile on Solaris? Because the vast

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ferdinand O. Tempel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't expect things to work if you adopt to the entire Debian way of thinking. Actually, I do. I don't care much about what the debian project thinks or expects, and I doubt it's what you claim as: As long as Debian compiles software on

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