community who
have experience with this problem.
cheers,
Zane.
John Davidge
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From: Thomas Spatzier
Date: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
proposal for workflows
To: OpenSta
3 at 12:40 AM
>Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
>proposal for workflows
>To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
>
>
>Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message
>
>> From: Clint Byrum
>> To: openstack-dev ,
>> Date: 09.10.2013
Hi Angus,
Thanks for detailed reply. I have a few comments that I have written below
in the context.
Angus Salkeld wrote on 10/13/2013 06:40:01 PM:
> >
> >- INPUTS: all the attributes that are consumed/used/read by that
resource
> >(currently, we have Ref, GetAttrs that can give this implicitl
Steven Dake wrote on 11.10.2013 21:02:38:
> From: Steven Dake
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
,
> Date: 11.10.2013 21:04
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> On 10/11/2013 11:55 AM, Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
ate: 10/11/2013 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
proposal for workflows
Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-11 07:22:37 -0700:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks Angus, Clint, I've got your design.
>
> It seems that Murano can built on
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
> > 2. Ability to provide arbitrary input values for the config
> We already have that, there's a free-form json document called "metadata"
> attached to every resource. Or maybe I missed what you mean here. The
> new capability that is in the
On 10/11/2013 11:55 AM, Lakshminaraya Renganarayana wrote:
Clint Byrum wrote on 10/11/2013 12:40:19 PM:
> From: Clint Byrum
> To: openstack-dev
> Date: 10/11/2013 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> &
Clint Byrum wrote on 10/11/2013 12:40:19 PM:
> From: Clint Byrum
> To: openstack-dev
> Date: 10/11/2013 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> > 3. Ability to return arbitrary (JSON-compatible) da
3 PM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-11 07:22:37 -0700:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thanks Angus, Clint, I've got your design.
> >
> > It seems that Mu
On 10/9/2013 12:55 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
Your example sounds a lot like what taskflow is build for doing.
https://github.com/stackforge/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/examples/calculate_in_parallel.py
is
a decent example.
In that one, tasks are created and input/output dependencies are
speci
Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-11 07:22:37 -0700:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks Angus, Clint, I've got your design.
>
> It seems that Murano can built on top of that. With service metadata
> knowledge Murano can generate HOT templates with set of interdependent
> configs.
> Here is what will
Hello,
Thanks Angus, Clint, I've got your design.
It seems that Murano can built on top of that. With service metadata
knowledge Murano can generate HOT templates with set of interdependent
configs.
Here is what will be needed:
1. Ability to implement support for custom software configuration to
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-10 15:27:48 -0700:
> On 10/10/13 11:59 +0400, Stan Lagun wrote:
> >This rises number of questions:
> >
> >1. What about conditional dependencies? Like config3 depends on config1 AND
> >config2 OR config3.
>
> We have the AND, but not an OR. To depen
On 10/10/13 11:59 +0400, Stan Lagun wrote:
This rises number of questions:
1. What about conditional dependencies? Like config3 depends on config1 AND
config2 OR config3.
We have the AND, but not an OR. To depend on two resources you just
have 2 references to the 2 resources.
2. How do I pa
Hi all,
Lakshminaraya Renganarayana wrote on 10.10.2013
01:34:41:
> From: Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
> To: Joshua Harlow ,
> Cc: OpenStack Development Mailing List
> Date: 10.10.2013 01:37
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workf
This rises number of questions:
1. What about conditional dependencies? Like config3 depends on config1 AND
config2 OR config3.
2. How do I pass values between configs? For example config1 requires value
from user input and config2 needs an output value obtained from applying
config1
3. How woul
On 09/10/13 19:31 +0100, Steven Hardy wrote:
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:59:22PM +0200, Alex Rudenko wrote:
Hi everyone,
I've read this thread and I'd like to share some thoughts. In my opinion,
workflows (which run on VMs) can be integrated with heat templates as
follows:
1. workflow defini
Stan Lagun wrote on 10/09/2013 04:07:33 PM:
It seems to me that something is missing in our discussion.
> If something depends on something else there must be a definition of
> that something. It is clear that it is not the case that one
> instance depends on another but one application depend
hoo-inc.com>>
Cc: OpenStack Development Mailing List
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for
workflows
Hi Joshua,
I agree that there is an element of taskflow in what I described. But, I am
aiming
Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote on 10/09/2013
03:37:01 PM:
> From: Georgy Okrokvertskhov
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
> Date: 10/09/2013 03:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> Thank you for bring
tp://paste.openstack.org/show/48157/
>
> -Josh
>
> From: Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
> Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List d...@lists.openstack.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:31 AM
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [openstack-de
On 10/9/2013 12:55 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
Your example sounds a lot like what taskflow is build for doing.
I'm not that familiar with Heat, so I wanted to bounce this off of
you before doing a public foot-in-mouth on the mailing list.
Is the real issue here the difference between *building*
It seems to me that something is missing in our discussion.
If something depends on something else there must be a definition of that
something. It is clear that it is not the case that one instance depends on
another but one application depends on another application. But there is no
such thing a
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Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:31 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for
workflows
Steve
Hi Lakshminaraya,
Thank you for bringing your use case and your thought here. That is exactly
tried to achieve in Murano project.
There are important aspects you highlighted. Sometime resource model is
two high level to describe deployment process. If you start to use more
granular approach to ha
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:59:22PM +0200, Alex Rudenko wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've read this thread and I'd like to share some thoughts. In my opinion,
> workflows (which run on VMs) can be integrated with heat templates as
> follows:
>
>1. workflow definitions should be defined separately
Steven Hardy wrote on 10/09/2013 05:24:38 AM:
>
> So as has already been mentioned, Heat defines an internal workflow,
based
> on the declarative model defined in the template.
>
> The model should define dependencies, and Heat should convert those
> dependencies into a workflow internally. IMO
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-10-09 08:37:36 -0700:
> Hi,
>
> In addition I want to add couple words about flexibility and debugging
> capabilities. I believe it is quite important for HOT template engine to
> control all aspects of deployment process execution including so
ko
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
,
> Date: 10/09/2013 01:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've read this thread and I'd like to share some thoughts. In my
>
Hi everyone,
I've read this thread and I'd like to share some thoughts. In my opinion,
workflows (which run on VMs) can be integrated with heat templates as
follows:
1. workflow definitions should be defined separately and processed by
stand-alone workflow engines (chef, puppet etc).
2.
Hi,
In addition I want to add couple words about flexibility and debugging
capabilities. I believe it is quite important for HOT template engine to
control all aspects of deployment process execution including software
components. Right now I believe Heat lack of control of what is going on
the VM
> Thanks, we're certainly interested in Murano, and are keen to discuss your
> roadmap, and where requirements and integration opportunities exist
Glad to here it. The same is true from Murano side.
On sample SQL workflow: that was just an example. I didn't want to bother
you with a SQL Server dep
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:53:45AM +0400, Stan Lagun wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a
> discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to
> continue this discussion with more technical details.
Thanks, we're certainly
Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message
> From: Clint Byrum
> To: openstack-dev ,
> Date: 09.10.2013 03:54
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration
> proposal for workflows
>
> Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-08 13:53:45 -0700:
>
Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-08 13:53:45 -0700:
> Hello,
>
> I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a
> discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to
> continue this discussion with more technical details.
>
> In our project
Hi Angus,
We will have representatives from our Team . Alex Tivelkov and I will be on
summit. We definitely will participate in design sessions for these hot
topics.
Before the summit we will work in etherpads to add necessary technical
information to have a solid background for discussions. We a
On 09/10/13 00:53 +0400, Stan Lagun wrote:
Hello,
I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a
discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to
continue this discussion with more technical details.
I hope you are going to be at summit, as I expe
Hello,
I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a
discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to
continue this discussion with more technical details.
In our project we do deployment of complex multi-instance Windows services.
Those services us
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