subject:"\[openstack\-dev\] \[Neutron\] Neutron Tempest code sprint \- 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada"

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2014-02-14 Thread Anita Kuno

Time for a summary:

Neutron Tempest Code Sprint Summary
Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
Location: Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc avenue, a room in a residence of
McGill University.
Time: 9am - 5pm (8am - 6pm for some)

Purpose:
to focus on the stability of Neutron
to address gaps in Neutron testing
to help Neutron developers recognize other Neutron developers by
face and name

General:
The code sprint was very successful in stimulating conversation
between developers. Having the time to exchange ideas and having access
to others who were able to discuss issues, either long standing or new,
was valuable for supporting a sense of collaborative group work. The
venue was supportive in that it was quiet and requirements were
unobtrusive and available so that people could focus on their work. The
wifi gave us a hiccup since the port gerrit uses probably alerted a
system firewall, but work arounds were found and work continued.

Stats:
23 developers, 3 days

Group Size:
We had 23 people attend, but immediate split into multiple teams
focused on predeterimined areas of stability and testing.  We only held
one large group session to solicit feedback on the structure of the
meetup.  The general feeling is that the maximum group size should not
exceed 30 to ensure efficiency for all that are there.

Location:
Canada: we had one person ask for a letter of invitation in time to
receive it to get a visa, he was granted a visa and attended - he did
tell me that he has requested a visa to travel to the US previously and
been denied - this person has recently been proposed as Neutron core
Quebec: I don't recall any conversations anyone had about having
difficulty with language issues
Montreal: it has an international airport, reasonable prices for
food and accommodation, the weather was not as bad as I had thought it
might have been, noone took off to be tourist since the days were all
rather grey

Outcomes:
Some specific code items were addressed [0]

Changes to support isolated testing were completed

Improvements to enable parallel testing Improvements

Significant improvement in Tempest API test cases

Work to enable grenade testing to validate upgrade

Some developers who had never met in person previously had an
opportunity to sit down with others and work together.
The build up to the event helped to bring some focus to the importance
of testing in Neutron. It also brought some attention to how isolated
some Neutron developers are from the other OpenStack projects with an
eye to addressing this isolation - even how isolated some developers are
with the rest of Neutron.

I felt that contributors to other projects were willing to spend more
time than they had been, supporting Neutron's efforts to address testing
gaps, due to the fact that there was a commitment to doing so that had a
very public focus.

One interesting outcome was the number of people who responded
favourably to the question on the evaluation [1] about approaching their
managers to request more time to work on Neutron upstream. I consider
that favourable outcome. I have no way of knowing if anyone actually did
request more time of their manager, and if they did ask, what response
they received.

I think the code sprint represented a target of stability in a release
focused on stability. I think it was a talking point that had some
positive outcomes itself but also was the catalyst for other discussions
for Neutron in Icehouse as a whole.

[0] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/montreal-code-sprint
[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/montreal-code-sprint-evaluation

Next an apology for me. Just after code sprint, I was injured and didn't
realize it for about 2 weeks, so in the midst of being in pain and then
working on healing myself, I didn't get this summary out in the time
frame I had hoped to get the summary out. I apologize to those folks who
needed this summary earlier. I hope this information is still useful now.

My thanks to all those who made this happen. To the Foundation, to all
the PTLs from other projects who supported this event and to all those
who attended and the managers who supported that attendance. And to Mark
McClain and Salvatore Orlando, thank you both so much.

Thank you,
Anita.


 -Original Message-
 From: Anita Kuno [mailto:ante...@anteaya.info] 
 Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 18:00
 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week 
 of January, Montreal, QC, Canada
 
 On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 Okay time for a recap.

 What: Neutron Tempest code sprint
 Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
 When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
 Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 
 Parc avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.
 Time: 9am - 5am
 Time: 9am - 5pm

 I am expecting to see the following people in Montreal in January:
 Mark McClain

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2014-01-13 Thread Nachi Ueno

Hi Anita

Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc
avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.

^^^ Let's me confirmed the room number?

2014/1/7 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info:
On 01/08/2014 03:10 AM, Nachi Ueno wrote:
Hi Anita

Let's me join this session also.

Nachi Ueno
NTT i3
Wonderful Nachi. We have spoken on irc to ensure you have your questions
answered.

It will be great to have another neutron-core at the code sprint.

Thank you,
Anita.

2014/1/5 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info:
On 01/05/2014 03:42 AM, Sukhdev Kapur wrote:
Folks,

I finally got over my fear of weather and booked my flight and hotel for
this sprint.

I am relatively new to OpenStack community with a strong desire to learn
and contribute.
Having a strong desire to participate effectively is great.

The difficulty for us is that we have already indicated that we need
experienced participants at the code sprint. [0]

Having long periods of silence and then simply announcing you have
booked your flights makes things difficult since we have been in
conversation with others about this for some time. I'm not saying don't
come, I am saying that this now puts myself and Mark in a position of
having to explain ourselves to others regarding consistency.

Mark and I will address this, though I will need to discuss this with
Mark to hear his thoughts and I am unable right now since I am at a
conference all week. [1]

Going forward, having regular conversations about items of this nature
(irc is a great tool for this) is something I would like to see happen
more often.

You may have seen that Arista Testing has come alive and is voting on the
newly submitted neutron patches. I have been busy putting together the
framework, and learning the Jenkins/Gerrit interface.
Yes. Can you respond on the Remove voting until your testing structure
works thread please? This enables people who wish to respond to you on
this point a place to conduct the conversation. It also preserves a
history of the topic so that those searching the archives have all the
relevant information in one place.

Now, I have shifted
my focus on Neutron/networking tempest tests. I notice some of these tests
are failing on my setup. I have started to dig into these with the intent
to understand them.
That is a great place to begin. Thank you for taking interest and
pursuing test bugs.

In terms of this upcoming sprint, if you folks can give some pointers that
will help me get better prepared and productive, that will be appreciated.
We need folks attending the sprint who are familiar with offering
patches to tempest. Seeing your name in this list would be a great
indicator that you are at least able to offer a patch. [3]

If you are able to focus this week on getting up to speed on Tempest and
the Neutron Tempest process, then your attendance at the conference may
possibly be effective both for yourself and for the rest of the
participants.

This wiki page is probably a good place to begin. [4]

The etherpad tracking the Neutron Tempest team's progress is here. [5]

Familiarizing yourself with the status of the conversation during the
meetings will help as well, though it isn't as important in terms of
being useful at the sprint as offering a tempest patch. Neutron meeting
logs can be found here. [6]

Also being available in channel will go a long way to fostering the kind
of interactions which are constructive now and in the future. I don't
see you in channel much, it would be great to see you more.

Looking forward to meeting and working with you.
And I you. Let's consider this an opportunity for greater participation
with Neutron and having more conversations in irc is a great way to begin.

Though I am not available in -neutron this week others are, so please
announce when you are ready to work and hopefully someone will be
keeping an eye out for you and offer you a hand.

regards..
-Sukhdev

Thanks Sukhdev,
Anita.

[0]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022918.html
[1]
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-16-21.02.log.html
timestamp 21:57:46
[2]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/023228.html
[3]
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z
[4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/TempestAPITests
[5] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron
[6] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
Okay time for a recap.

What: Neutron Tempest code sprint
Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc
avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.
Time: 9am - 5am
Time: 9am - 5pm

I am

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2014-01-07 Thread Nachi Ueno

Hi Anita

Let's me join this session also.

Nachi Ueno
NTT i3

2014/1/5 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info:
On 01/05/2014 03:42 AM, Sukhdev Kapur wrote:
Folks,

I finally got over my fear of weather and booked my flight and hotel for
this sprint.

I am relatively new to OpenStack community with a strong desire to learn
and contribute.
Having a strong desire to participate effectively is great.

The difficulty for us is that we have already indicated that we need
experienced participants at the code sprint. [0]

Mark and I will address this, though I will need to discuss this with
Mark to hear his thoughts and I am unable right now since I am at a
conference all week. [1]

Going forward, having regular conversations about items of this nature
(irc is a great tool for this) is something I would like to see happen
more often.

This wiki page is probably a good place to begin. [4]

The etherpad tracking the Neutron Tempest team's progress is here. [5]

Looking forward to meeting and working with you.
And I you. Let's consider this an opportunity for greater participation
with Neutron and having more conversations in irc is a great way to begin.

Though I am not available in -neutron this week others are, so please
announce when you are ready to work and hopefully someone will be
keeping an eye out for you and offer you a hand.

regards..
-Sukhdev

Thanks Sukhdev,
Anita.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
Okay time for a recap.

I am expecting to see the following people in Montreal in January:
Mark McClain
Salvatore Orlando
Sean Dague
Matt Trenish
Jay Pipes
Sukhdev Kapur
Miguel Lavelle
Oleg Bondarev
Rossella Sblendido
Emilien Macchi
Sylvain Afchain
Nicolas Planel
Kyle Mestery
Dane Leblanc
Sumit Naiksatam
Henry Gessau
Don Kehn
Carl Baldwin
Justin Hammond
Anita Kuno

If you are on the above list and can't attend, please email me so I have
an

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2014-01-07 Thread Anita Kuno

On 01/08/2014 03:10 AM, Nachi Ueno wrote:
Hi Anita

Let's me join this session also.

Nachi Ueno
NTT i3
Wonderful Nachi. We have spoken on irc to ensure you have your questions
answered.

It will be great to have another neutron-core at the code sprint.

Thank you,
Anita.

2014/1/5 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info:
On 01/05/2014 03:42 AM, Sukhdev Kapur wrote:
Folks,

I finally got over my fear of weather and booked my flight and hotel for
this sprint.

I am relatively new to OpenStack community with a strong desire to learn
and contribute.
Having a strong desire to participate effectively is great.

The difficulty for us is that we have already indicated that we need
experienced participants at the code sprint. [0]

Mark and I will address this, though I will need to discuss this with
Mark to hear his thoughts and I am unable right now since I am at a
conference all week. [1]

Going forward, having regular conversations about items of this nature
(irc is a great tool for this) is something I would like to see happen
more often.

This wiki page is probably a good place to begin. [4]

The etherpad tracking the Neutron Tempest team's progress is here. [5]

Looking forward to meeting and working with you.
And I you. Let's consider this an opportunity for greater participation
with Neutron and having more conversations in irc is a great way to begin.

Though I am not available in -neutron this week others are, so please
announce when you are ready to work and hopefully someone will be
keeping an eye out for you and offer you a hand.

regards..
-Sukhdev

Thanks Sukhdev,
Anita.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
Okay time for a recap.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2014-01-05 Thread Anita Kuno

On 01/05/2014 03:42 AM, Sukhdev Kapur wrote:
Folks,

I finally got over my fear of weather and booked my flight and hotel for
this sprint.

I am relatively new to OpenStack community with a strong desire to learn
and contribute.
Having a strong desire to participate effectively is great.

The difficulty for us is that we have already indicated that we need
experienced participants at the code sprint. [0]

Mark and I will address this, though I will need to discuss this with
Mark to hear his thoughts and I am unable right now since I am at a
conference all week. [1]

Going forward, having regular conversations about items of this nature
(irc is a great tool for this) is something I would like to see happen
more often.

This wiki page is probably a good place to begin. [4]

The etherpad tracking the Neutron Tempest team's progress is here. [5]

Looking forward to meeting and working with you.
And I you. Let's consider this an opportunity for greater participation
with Neutron and having more conversations in irc is a great way to begin.

Though I am not available in -neutron this week others are, so please
announce when you are ready to work and hopefully someone will be
keeping an eye out for you and offer you a hand.

regards..
-Sukhdev

Thanks Sukhdev,
Anita.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
Okay time for a recap.

If you are on the above list and can't attend, please email me so I have
an up-to-date list. If you are planning on attending and I don't have
your name listed, please email me without delay so that I can add you
and you get done

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2014-01-04 Thread Sukhdev Kapur

Folks,

I finally got over my fear of weather and booked my flight and hotel for
this sprint.

I am relatively new to OpenStack community with a strong desire to learn
and contribute.

You may have seen that Arista Testing has come alive and is voting on the
newly submitted neutron patches. I have been busy putting together the
framework, and learning the Jenkins/Gerrit interface. Now, I have shifted
my focus on Neutron/networking tempest tests. I notice some of these tests
are failing on my setup. I have started to dig into these with the intent
to understand them.

In terms of this upcoming sprint, if you folks can give some pointers that
will help me get better prepared and productive, that will be appreciated.

Looking forward to meeting and working with you.

regards..
-Sukhdev




On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
  Okay time for a recap.
 
  What: Neutron Tempest code sprint
  Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
  When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
  Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc
  avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.
  Time: 9am - 5am
 Time: 9am - 5pm
 
  I am expecting to see the following people in Montreal in January:
  Mark McClain
  Salvatore Orlando
  Sean Dague
  Matt Trenish
  Jay Pipes
  Sukhdev Kapur
  Miguel Lavelle
  Oleg Bondarev
  Rossella Sblendido
  Emilien Macchi
  Sylvain Afchain
  Nicolas Planel
  Kyle Mestery
  Dane Leblanc
  Sumit Naiksatam
  Henry Gessau
  Don Kehn
  Carl Baldwin
  Justin Hammond
  Anita Kuno
 
  If you are on the above list and can't attend, please email me so I have
  an up-to-date list. If you are planning on attending and I don't have
  your name listed, please email me without delay so that I can add you
  and you get done what you need to get done to attend.
 
  I have the contract for the room and will be signing it and sending it
  in with the room deposit tomorrow. Monty has about 6 more hours to get
  back to me on this, then I just have to go ahead and do it.
 
  Caterer is booked and I will be doing menu selection over the holidays.
  I can post the intended, _the intended_ menu once I have decided. Soup,
  salad, sandwich - not glamourous but hopefully filling. If the menu on
  the day isn't the same as what I post, please forgive me. Unforeseen
  circumstances may crop up and I will do my best to get you fed. One
  person has identified they have a specific food request, if there are
  any more out there, please email me now. This covers breakfast, lunch
  and tea/coffee all day.
 Menu:
 Breakfast: 8am - 10am
 Fruit, Yogurt, Baked Items: ie. Muffins, Scones, Juice, Coffee, Tea

 Lunch: Noon - 2pm
 Sandwiches:
 Roast Beef with Stone Ground Mustard,
 Smoked Turkey Breast with Cranberry Sauce,
 Chicken Salad with Apples and Celery,
 Flavoured Tortilla with Spinach and Sun-dried Tomatoes,
 Smoked Meat,
 Egg Salad,
 Tuna with fresh Dill,
 Black Forest Ham with aged Cheddar
 on a variety of breads

 Soup:
 Wednesday: Potato and Leek Cream Soup
 Thursday: Sweet Potato and Red Pepper Bisque
 Friday: Wild Rice and Smoked Turkey Soup

 Salad:
 Green Garden Salad with Balsamic Vinaigrette
 and
 Wednesday: Greek Salad
 Thursday: Tortellini Pesto Salad
 Friday: Potato Aglio e Olio Salad

 Tea and Coffee all day

 This is to convey a sense of what to expect, items may change with no
 notice.

 
  Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
  restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
  will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.
 
  T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
  priority than t-shirts.
 
  One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
  received it. I hope the visa has been granted.
 
  Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
  have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
  thanks for finding that one, Rosella.
 
  Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
  had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
  buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
  * layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
  * boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
  http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry
 them
  * warm coat
  * toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
  pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
  * warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
  * mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
  * scarf
  If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
  bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
  you but you will be warm.
 We are experiencing waves of warm and cold. The best I can offer is keep
 your eye on the forecast:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-27 Thread Anita Kuno

Mark has replied to you privately so I'll just confirm again that you
are on the list.

Thanks Edgar,
Anita.

On 12/27/2013 12:50 AM, Edgar Magana wrote:
Anita,

Did you get my email with my confirmation?

Thanks,

Edgar

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

Anita,

Fawad and Myself will be also attending.

BTW. Fawad will require an invitation letter for visa. He will email you
directly with that request.

Thanks,

Edgar

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

Okay time for a recap.

I have the contract for the room and will be signing it and sending it
in with the room deposit tomorrow. Monty has about 6 more hours to get
back to me on this, then I just have to go ahead and do it.

Caterer is booked and I will be doing menu selection over the holidays.
I can post the intended, _the intended_ menu once I have decided. Soup,
salad, sandwich - not glamourous but hopefully filling. If the menu on
the day isn't the same as what I post, please forgive me. Unforeseen
circumstances may crop up and I will do my best to get you fed. One
person has identified they have a specific food request, if there are
any more out there, please email me now. This covers breakfast, lunch
and tea/coffee all day.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
priority than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
* layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
* boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry
them
* warm coat
* toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
* warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
* mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
* scarf
If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
you but you will be warm.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
Hi all,

sorry if this is a bit OT now.
I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we
book
many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not
much.
Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
So I decided to booked a room for myself.
I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same
place
http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/
http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq
.
It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the best I have
found.

cheers,

Rossella

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info
wrote:

On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-27 Thread Anita Kuno

On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 Okay time for a recap.
 
 What: Neutron Tempest code sprint
 Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
 When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
 Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc
 avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.
 Time: 9am - 5am
Time: 9am - 5pm
 
 I am expecting to see the following people in Montreal in January:
 Mark McClain
 Salvatore Orlando
 Sean Dague
 Matt Trenish
 Jay Pipes
 Sukhdev Kapur
 Miguel Lavelle
 Oleg Bondarev
 Rossella Sblendido
 Emilien Macchi
 Sylvain Afchain
 Nicolas Planel
 Kyle Mestery
 Dane Leblanc
 Sumit Naiksatam
 Henry Gessau
 Don Kehn
 Carl Baldwin
 Justin Hammond
 Anita Kuno
 
 If you are on the above list and can't attend, please email me so I have
 an up-to-date list. If you are planning on attending and I don't have
 your name listed, please email me without delay so that I can add you
 and you get done what you need to get done to attend.
 
 I have the contract for the room and will be signing it and sending it
 in with the room deposit tomorrow. Monty has about 6 more hours to get
 back to me on this, then I just have to go ahead and do it.
 
 Caterer is booked and I will be doing menu selection over the holidays.
 I can post the intended, _the intended_ menu once I have decided. Soup,
 salad, sandwich - not glamourous but hopefully filling. If the menu on
 the day isn't the same as what I post, please forgive me. Unforeseen
 circumstances may crop up and I will do my best to get you fed. One
 person has identified they have a specific food request, if there are
 any more out there, please email me now. This covers breakfast, lunch
 and tea/coffee all day.
Menu:
Breakfast: 8am - 10am
Fruit, Yogurt, Baked Items: ie. Muffins, Scones, Juice, Coffee, Tea

Lunch: Noon - 2pm
Sandwiches:
Roast Beef with Stone Ground Mustard,
Smoked Turkey Breast with Cranberry Sauce,
Chicken Salad with Apples and Celery,
Flavoured Tortilla with Spinach and Sun-dried Tomatoes,
Smoked Meat,
Egg Salad,
Tuna with fresh Dill,
Black Forest Ham with aged Cheddar
on a variety of breads

Soup:
Wednesday: Potato and Leek Cream Soup
Thursday: Sweet Potato and Red Pepper Bisque
Friday: Wild Rice and Smoked Turkey Soup

Salad:
Green Garden Salad with Balsamic Vinaigrette
and
Wednesday: Greek Salad
Thursday: Tortellini Pesto Salad
Friday: Potato Aglio e Olio Salad

Tea and Coffee all day

This is to convey a sense of what to expect, items may change with no
notice.

 
 Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
 restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
 will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.
 
 T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
 priority than t-shirts.
 
 One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
 received it. I hope the visa has been granted.
 
 Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
 have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
 thanks for finding that one, Rosella.
 
 Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
 had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
 buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
 * layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
 * boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
 http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry them
 * warm coat
 * toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
 pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
 * warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
 * mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
 * scarf
 If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
 bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
 you but you will be warm.
We are experiencing waves of warm and cold. The best I can offer is keep
your eye on the forecast:
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/14-day-weather-trend/canada/quebec/montreal
when you pack, which is what I will be doing.

Thanks,
Anita.
 
 Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
 tell you.
 
 That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.
 
 Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
 Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.
 
 See you in Montreal,
 Anita.
 
 
 On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
 Hi all,

 sorry if this is a bit OT now.
 I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we book
 many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
 Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
 So I decided to booked a room for myself.
 I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same place

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-26 Thread Edgar Magana

Anita,

Did you get my email with my confirmation?

Thanks,

Edgar

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

Anita,

Fawad and Myself will be also attending.

BTW. Fawad will require an invitation letter for visa. He will email you
directly with that request.

Thanks,

Edgar

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

Okay time for a recap.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
priority than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
Hi all,

cheers,

Rossella

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info
wrote:

On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-26 Thread Edgar Magana

Mark,

We do not disagree with you. The main reason was indeed to onboard new
developers in Neutron. I will help Fawad on his introduction before and
after the sprint, therefore you should start seeing some code reviews and
code commitments from him ASAP.

Thanks,

Edgar


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Mark McClain mark.mccl...@dreamhost.comwrote:

 Edgar-

 I’m a bit concerned about Fawad joining the sprint.  He’s a new
 contributor who has never landed a patch in Neutron or Tempest.  Closing
 the testing gaps with experienced devs is the goal of the Montreal sprint
 and I do not think we’ll have manpower to onboard new contributors (3 days
 is a really short time).  While I’m happy to welcome more workers there, I
 do not want to waste his time or PLUMgrid’s resources.

 mark

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

 Anita,

 Fawad and Myself will be also attending.

 BTW. Fawad will require an invitation letter for visa. He will email you
 directly with that request.

 Thanks,

 Edgar


 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Okay time for a recap.

 What: Neutron Tempest code sprint
 Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
 When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
 Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc
 avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.
 Time: 9am - 5am

 I am expecting to see the following people in Montreal in January:
 Mark McClain
 Salvatore Orlando
 Sean Dague
 Matt Trenish
 Jay Pipes
 Sukhdev Kapur
 Miguel Lavelle
 Oleg Bondarev
 Rossella Sblendido
 Emilien Macchi
 Sylvain Afchain
 Nicolas Planel
 Kyle Mestery
 Dane Leblanc
 Sumit Naiksatam
 Henry Gessau
 Don Kehn
 Carl Baldwin
 Justin Hammond
 Anita Kuno

 If you are on the above list and can't attend, please email me so I have
 an up-to-date list. If you are planning on attending and I don't have
 your name listed, please email me without delay so that I can add you
 and you get done what you need to get done to attend.

 I have the contract for the room and will be signing it and sending it
 in with the room deposit tomorrow. Monty has about 6 more hours to get
 back to me on this, then I just have to go ahead and do it.

 Caterer is booked and I will be doing menu selection over the holidays.
 I can post the intended, _the intended_ menu once I have decided. Soup,
 salad, sandwich - not glamourous but hopefully filling. If the menu on
 the day isn't the same as what I post, please forgive me. Unforeseen
 circumstances may crop up and I will do my best to get you fed. One
 person has identified they have a specific food request, if there are
 any more out there, please email me now. This covers breakfast, lunch
 and tea/coffee all day.

 Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
 restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
 will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

 T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
 priority than t-shirts.

 One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
 received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

 Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
 have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
 thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

 Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
 had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
 buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
 * layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
 * boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
 http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry
 them
 * warm coat
 * toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
 pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
 * warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
 * mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
 * scarf
 If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
 bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
 you but you will be warm.

 Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
 tell you.

 That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

 Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
 Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

 See you in Montreal,
 Anita.


 On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  sorry if this is a bit OT now.
  I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we
 book
  many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not
 much.
  Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
  So I decided to booked a room for myself.
  I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same
 place
  http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-20 Thread Shiv Haris

Please add my name to the list. Thanks.

-Shiv Haris

-Original Message-
From: Anita Kuno [mailto:ante...@anteaya.info] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:18 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week 
of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

Okay time for a recap.

What: Neutron Tempest code sprint
Where: Montreal, QC, Canada
When: January 15, 16, 17 2014
Location: I am about to sign the contract for Salle du Parc at 3625 Parc 
avenue, a room in a residence of McGill University.
Time: 9am - 5am

I am expecting to see the following people in Montreal in January:
Mark McClain
Salvatore Orlando
Sean Dague
Matt Trenish
Jay Pipes
Sukhdev Kapur
Miguel Lavelle
Oleg Bondarev
Rossella Sblendido
Emilien Macchi
Sylvain Afchain
Nicolas Planel
Kyle Mestery
Dane Leblanc
Sumit Naiksatam
Henry Gessau
Don Kehn
Carl Baldwin
Justin Hammond
Anita Kuno

If you are on the above list and can't attend, please email me so I have an 
up-to-date list. If you are planning on attending and I don't have your name 
listed, please email me without delay so that I can add you and you get done 
what you need to get done to attend.

I have the contract for the room and will be signing it and sending it in with 
the room deposit tomorrow. Monty has about 6 more hours to get back to me on 
this, then I just have to go ahead and do it.

Caterer is booked and I will be doing menu selection over the holidays.
I can post the intended, _the intended_ menu once I have decided. Soup, salad, 
sandwich - not glamourous but hopefully filling. If the menu on the day isn't 
the same as what I post, please forgive me. Unforeseen circumstances may crop 
up and I will do my best to get you fed. One person has identified they have a 
specific food request, if there are any more out there, please email me now. 
This covers breakfast, lunch and tea/coffee all day.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some restaurant 
suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners will take place once 
we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher priority 
than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and received it. I 
hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I have been 
hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel, thanks for finding 
that one, Rosella.

Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have had in 
some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or buy warm 
clothes. A few suggestions:
* layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
* boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry them
* warm coat
* toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't pay that 
much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
* warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
* mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
* scarf
If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about bringing 
some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be you but you will 
be warm.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
 Hi all,

 sorry if this is a bit OT now.
 I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we 
 book many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
 Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
 So I decided to booked a room for myself.
 I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same 
 place 
 http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq.
 It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the best I have 
 found.

 cheers,

 Rossella

 On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

  On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

 On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

 On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

  On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

  Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will 
 be a Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron 
 tests in Tempest and to add new tests

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-20 Thread Mark McClain

Edgar-

I’m a bit concerned about Fawad joining the sprint. He’s a new contributor who
has never landed a patch in Neutron or Tempest. Closing the testing gaps with
experienced devs is the goal of the Montreal sprint and I do not think we’ll
have manpower to onboard new contributors (3 days is a really short time).
While I’m happy to welcome more workers there, I do not want to waste his time
or PLUMgrid’s resources.

mark

On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

Anita,

Fawad and Myself will be also attending.

BTW. Fawad will require an invitation letter for visa. He will email you
directly with that request.

Thanks,

Edgar

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:
Okay time for a recap.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
priority than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
* layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
* boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry them
* warm coat
* toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
* warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
* mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
* scarf
If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
you but you will be warm.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
Hi all,

sorry if this is a bit OT now.
I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we book
many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
So I decided to booked a room for myself.
I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same place
http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq.
It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-19 Thread Edgar Magana

Anita,

Fawad and Myself will be also attending.

BTW. Fawad will require an invitation letter for visa. He will email you
directly with that request.

Thanks,

Edgar

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

Okay time for a recap.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
priority than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
Hi all,

sorry if this is a bit OT now.
I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we book
many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
So I decided to booked a room for myself.
I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same place
http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/
http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq
.
It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the best I have
found.

cheers,

Rossella

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info
wrote:

On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-18 Thread Anita Kuno

Okay time for a recap.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
priority than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
* layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
* boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry them
* warm coat
* toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
* warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
* mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
* scarf
If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
you but you will be warm.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
Hi all,

sorry if this is a bit OT now.
I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we book
many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
So I decided to booked a room for myself.
I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same place
http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq.
It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the best I have
found.

cheers,

Rossella

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
great. However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
make significant progress.

To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late. It's one of the
largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
with Neutron. This spring is just

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-18 Thread Anita Kuno

Matt Trenish wins this round of spot Anita's typo to the -dev ml.

9am - 5pm, 8 hours of work (lunch in the middle) for 3 days

Thanks Matt,
Anita.

On 12/18/2013 04:17 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
Okay time for a recap.

Henry Gessau will be social convener for dinners. If you have some
restaurant suggestions, please contact Henry. Organization of dinners
will take place once we congregate in our meeting room.

T-shirts: we decided that the code quality of Neutron was a higher
priority than t-shirts.

One person required a letter of invitation for visa purposes and
received it. I hope the visa has been granted.

Individuals arrangements for hotels seem to be going well from what I
have been hearing. A few people will be staying at Le Nouvel Hotel,
thanks for finding that one, Rosella.

Weather: well you got me on this one. This winter is colder than we have
had in some time and more snow too. So it will be beautiful but bring or
buy warm clothes. A few suggestions:
* layer your clothes (t-shirt, turtleneck, sweatshirt)
* boots with removable liners (this is my boot of choice:
http://amzn.to/19ddJve) remove the liners at the end of each day to dry them
* warm coat
* toque (wool unless you are allergic) I'm seeing them for $35, don't
pay that much, you should be able to get something warm for $15 or less
* warm socks (cotton socks and wool over top)- keep your feet dry
* mitts (mitts keep my fingers warmer than gloves)
* scarf
If the weather is making you panic, talk to me and I will see about
bringing some of my extra accessories with me. The style might not be
you but you will be warm.

Remember, don't lick the flagpole. It doesn't matter what your friends
tell you.

That's all I can think of, if I missed something, email me.

Oh, and best to consider me offline from Jan.2 until the code sprint.
Make sure you have all the information you need prior to that time.

See you in Montreal,
Anita.

On 11/19/2013 11:31 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:
Hi all,

sorry if this is a bit OT now.
I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we book
many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
So I decided to booked a room for myself.
I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same place
http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq.
It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the best I have
found.

cheers,

Rossella

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-12-05 Thread Henry Gessau

Dinner plans

Anita tricked me into volunteering to be responsible for dinner arrangements
during the sprint. :)

My suggestion is to get away from our keyboards in the evenings and eat at a
restaurant together. I look forward to socializing with fellow Openstack
developers in a less code-centric environment.

Every day (Jan 15, 16, 27) I will oversee voting for a restaurant and make
reservations. Attendance is completely voluntary. Each attendee will be
responsible for their own bill, but contact me privately if you have budget
constraints.

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-20 Thread Anita Kuno

Time for an update.

Neutron Tempest code sprint
Montreal, QC, Canada
January 15, 16, 17 2014
Salle du Parc, New Residence
McGill University, 3625 Parc Avenue
9pm - 5pm each day
Breakfast, Lunch and coffee/tea included
Agenda: details to be determined, focusing on addressing Neutron Tempest
testing and communications between -neutron, -infra and -qa.

Travel and accommodation: On your own.
Dinners: On your own (unless someone wants to organize something)

Do I need a visa to enter Canada?
Good question, please check: http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp

If you are planning on attending and have not received an email from me
asking you about dietary requirements, please email me at anteaya at
anteaya dot info indicating your interest in attending.

No official hotel but Rosella feels Le Nouvel Hotel has a good price:
http://bit.ly/1fWLrV1

Please ask questions if you need more than this.

Thank you,
Anita.


On 11/13/2013 01:48 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 So if you are requesting a letter of invitation to enter Canada, here is
 what I have to do to provide it:
 http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.asp
 
 It appears that letters of invitation are only required sometimes:
 Sometimes, when you apply for a visa to visit Canada, we ask you to
 give us a letter of invitation from someone in Canada.
 so I will encourage you to contact your closest Canadian embassy or
 consulate outside of Canada to assess if you need one. Hopefully if you
 are planning on staying less that 1 week, you won't need one. But
 contact the embassy and be sure.
 
 Thanks,
 Anita.
 
 On 11/13/2013 01:25 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
 Will do ASAP.

 Thanks,

 Edgar

 On 11/13/13 10:20 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Hi Edgar:

 I hadn't thought of that, I guess I am going to have to do that.

 For others, check if you need a visa to enter Canada:
 http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp
 Please notify me ASAP if you do, even if you aren't sure you can attend
 so I can get the paperwork you need.

 Edgar, can you email me your address to my personal email anteaya at
 anteaya dot info so I can work on this for you.

 Thanks,
 Anita.

 On 11/13/2013 01:12 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
 Anita,

 Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will require
 a
 visa?, which is my case.

 Thanks,

 Edgar

 On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be
 a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came
 forward
 when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how
 many additional people are interested in attending.

 This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this
 to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in
 advance.

 We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
 1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain,
 salv-orlando,
 sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
 2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
 Montreal it is.

 It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
 1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in
 the
 States have an easier time entering Canada.
   US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of
 travel
 and we are inside that timeframe.
 2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
 3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this
 event
 in Canada since I am in Canada.
 4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
 can't wait on good weather.

 There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
 disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this
 event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
 people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
 location. So that is the future vision.

 I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate
 on a
 block of rooms at a hotel.

 I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they
 will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
 Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
 happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope
 that
 the money can come from the Foundation.

 The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
 who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
 folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work
 logos
 and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue
 you a
 white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
 make progress during the code sprint.

 Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
 want to come to the code

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-20 Thread Edgar Magana

Everything seems to be covered, thank for taking care of this.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/20/13 5:29 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

Time for an update.

Neutron Tempest code sprint
Montreal, QC, Canada
January 15, 16, 17 2014
Salle du Parc, New Residence
McGill University, 3625 Parc Avenue
9pm - 5pm each day
Breakfast, Lunch and coffee/tea included
Agenda: details to be determined, focusing on addressing Neutron Tempest
testing and communications between -neutron, -infra and -qa.

Travel and accommodation: On your own.
Dinners: On your own (unless someone wants to organize something)

Do I need a visa to enter Canada?
Good question, please check: http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp

If you are planning on attending and have not received an email from me
asking you about dietary requirements, please email me at anteaya at
anteaya dot info indicating your interest in attending.

No official hotel but Rosella feels Le Nouvel Hotel has a good price:
http://bit.ly/1fWLrV1

Please ask questions if you need more than this.

Thank you,
Anita.


On 11/13/2013 01:48 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 So if you are requesting a letter of invitation to enter Canada, here is
 what I have to do to provide it:
 http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.asp
 
 It appears that letters of invitation are only required sometimes:
 Sometimes, when you apply for a visa to visit Canada, we ask you to
 give us a letter of invitation from someone in Canada.
 so I will encourage you to contact your closest Canadian embassy or
 consulate outside of Canada to assess if you need one. Hopefully if you
 are planning on staying less that 1 week, you won't need one. But
 contact the embassy and be sure.
 
 Thanks,
 Anita.
 
 On 11/13/2013 01:25 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
 Will do ASAP.

 Thanks,

 Edgar

 On 11/13/13 10:20 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Hi Edgar:

 I hadn't thought of that, I guess I am going to have to do that.

 For others, check if you need a visa to enter Canada:
 http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp
 Please notify me ASAP if you do, even if you aren't sure you can
attend
 so I can get the paperwork you need.

 Edgar, can you email me your address to my personal email anteaya at
 anteaya dot info so I can work on this for you.

 Thanks,
 Anita.

 On 11/13/2013 01:12 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
 Anita,

 Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will
require
 a
 visa?, which is my case.

 Thanks,

 Edgar

 On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will
be
 a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests
in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came
 forward
 when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know
how
 many additional people are interested in attending.

 This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for
this
 to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in
 advance.

 We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
 1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain,
 salv-orlando,
 sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
 2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
 Montreal it is.

 It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
 1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in
 the
 States have an easier time entering Canada.
   US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of
 travel
 and we are inside that timeframe.
 2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
 3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this
 event
 in Canada since I am in Canada.
 4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
 can't wait on good weather.

 There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will
be
 disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that
this
 event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
 people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
 location. So that is the future vision.

 I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate
 on a
 block of rooms at a hotel.

 I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes
they
 will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
 Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
 happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope
 that
 the money can come from the Foundation.

 The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based
on
 who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque.
If
 folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work
 logos
 and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue
 you a
 white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-19 Thread Rossella Sblendido

Hi all,

sorry if this is a bit OT now.
I contacted some hotels to see if we could get a special price if we book
many rooms. According to my research the difference in price is not much.
Also, as Anita was saying, booking for everybody is more complicated.
So I decided to booked a room for myself.
I share the name of the hotel, in case you want to stay in the same place
http://www.lenouvelhotel.com/http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/le-nouvel-spa.html?aid=318615label=postbooking_confemailpbsource=conf_email_hotel_nameet=UmFuZG9tSVYkc2RlIyh9YQkLIKuQhwqabGHP/3dl6rJzqy0AqLilEWRB9q2h3N7LbLpnopp78jpk3Zrw8QEON8/7uGk2Z4XEVgx0jMidsc7G6J6/mpIjb0/tpL+TyUzh/SougdT7JVfQN96wrY/Uz9Cu068o86et5KaL1N1ikBA2yvj25PBlFEF+/iBPj8Nq.
It's close to the meeting room and the price is one of the best I have
found.

cheers,

Rossella

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
great. However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
make significant progress.

To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late. It's one of the
largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
with Neutron. This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
nova-network deprecation seems likely. If not, we really can't wait
around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.

100% agreed. Realistically this has to be a capping session, not when
the real work starts. If the agent rewrite isn't done, and the parallel
gate basically working before then, it won't work.

Honestly, I think we're going to need to checkpoint before Christmas to
figure out if the preconditions are met, because if they aren't, then
it's not clear the 3 days of code sprint are really going to generate
the results we need.

I'm encouraged by the level of activity in the neutron channel, so I
think right now planning for success is good. But again, we need some
aggressive check points, and people need to realize this is not the
beginning of this work, it is the closing session.

-Sean

Great. What kind of check points in a mutual location would we like to
see?

Etherpad?

Meeting logs?

Other suggestions?

Thanks Sean,
Anita.

Actually I am going to answer my own question with a proposal.

I would like to see a special sub-committee of the TC convened comprised
of (5?) TC members and/or appointees for the express purpose of being
available to help meet this goal, be available in the -neutron irc channel
for questions and support and also to guide the process so the goal is
achieved.

Thoughts?

Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Anita Kuno

I have just sent out emails asking for specific details for food and so 
on to the 31 emails provided to me, thank you all for indicating your 
intent.


If you would like to attend the code sprint and did not receive an email 
from this email address anteaya at anteaya dot info (check your spam 
folder, please) please email me and ensure I add you to the list.


I look forward to hearing from you all as soon as possible so I can 
submit my budget for the event.


My thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:48 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
So if you are requesting a letter of invitation to enter Canada, here 
is what I have to do to provide it:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.asp

It appears that letters of invitation are only required sometimes:
Sometimes, when you apply for a visa to visit Canada, we ask you to 
give us a letter of invitation from someone in Canada.
so I will encourage you to contact your closest Canadian embassy or 
consulate outside of Canada to assess if you need one. Hopefully if 
you are planning on staying less that 1 week, you won't need one. But 
contact the embassy and be sure.


Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:25 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Will do ASAP.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 10:20 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Hi Edgar:

I hadn't thought of that, I guess I am going to have to do that.

For others, check if you need a visa to enter Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp
Please notify me ASAP if you do, even if you aren't sure you can attend
so I can get the paperwork you need.

Edgar, can you email me your address to my personal email anteaya at
anteaya dot info so I can work on this for you.

Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:12 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Anita,

Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will 
require

a
visa?, which is my case.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere 
will be

a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came 
forward
when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know 
how

many additional people are interested in attending.

This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for 
this

to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in
advance.

We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, 
salv-orlando,

sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
Montreal it is.

It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in
the
States have an easier time entering Canada.
  US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of 
travel

and we are inside that timeframe.
2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this 
event

in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
can't wait on good weather.

There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that 
this

event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
location. So that is the future vision.

I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate 
on a

block of rooms at a hotel.

I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they
will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope
that
the money can come from the Foundation.

The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our 
paycheque. If

folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work
logos
and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue 
you a

white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
make progress during the code sprint.

Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If 
you

want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
1. It will be cold.
2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel
wearing
appropriate footwear supports this goal.

Please indicate your interest by sending an email to
ante...@anteaya.info, subject Neutron Tempest code sprint. Don't
worry
about the body of the email, I just need addresses. We will send

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Sean Dague

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:
 On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 
 First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
 great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
 make significant progress.
 
 To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's one of the
 largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
 with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
 Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
 nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really can't wait
 around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.

100% agreed. Realistically this has to be a capping session, not when
the real work starts. If the agent rewrite isn't done, and the parallel
gate basically working before then, it won't work.

Honestly, I think we're going to need to checkpoint before Christmas to
figure out if the preconditions are met, because if they aren't, then
it's not clear the 3 days of code sprint are really going to generate
the results we need.

I'm encouraged by the level of activity in the neutron channel, so I
think right now planning for success is good. But again, we need some
aggressive check points, and people need to realize this is not the
beginning of this work, it is the closing session.

-Sean

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Sean Dague

On 11/15/2013 01:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
 On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote:
 On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
 On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:
 On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote:
 Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.
 Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
 a result.

 Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
 with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
 provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
 I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.
 I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
 at all.

 I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
 offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
 it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
 to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
 community.
 I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am 
 so glad to work with you.

 Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron 
 design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.

 I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the 
 code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that 
 goal.

 What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in 
 OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?

 I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being 
 considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this 
 thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.
 
 I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. there should be
 more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their
 drivers. I'm cool with that, and totally agree.
 
 Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of
 expressing that concern, though.
 
 Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of
 individuals, we should all wear our project hats, that our affiliation
 should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ...
 
 Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of
 what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the mutual respect
 you talk about.

100% agree with Mark. I think the spirit of working together on the
whole can be set as a tone without rules and policies around people's
clothing. This is about inclusiveness.

I'd like the clothing restriction bits retracted from this as well,
because I don't think it's really relevant to the discussion, the
sprint, or how we function as a community.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/16/2013 12:42 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 01:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote:

On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:

On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote:

Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.

Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
a result.


Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.

I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
at all.

I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
community.

I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am
so glad to work with you.

Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron
design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.

I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the
code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that
goal.

What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in
OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?

I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.

I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. there should be
more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their
drivers. I'm cool with that, and totally agree.

Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of
expressing that concern, though.

Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of
individuals, we should all wear our project hats, that our affiliation
should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ...

Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of
what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the mutual respect
you talk about.

100% agree with Mark. I think the spirit of working together on the
whole can be set as a tone without rules and policies around people's
clothing. This is about inclusiveness.

I'd like the clothing restriction bits retracted from this as well,
because I don't think it's really relevant to the discussion, the
sprint, or how we function as a community.

-Sean
It happened yesterday: 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/019403.html


I'm really heartened by the content in the discussion so far. Thanks to 
all who are adding value.


Anita.




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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
make significant progress.

To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's one of the
largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really can't wait
around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.

100% agreed. Realistically this has to be a capping session, not when
the real work starts. If the agent rewrite isn't done, and the parallel
gate basically working before then, it won't work.

Honestly, I think we're going to need to checkpoint before Christmas to
figure out if the preconditions are met, because if they aren't, then
it's not clear the 3 days of code sprint are really going to generate
the results we need.

I'm encouraged by the level of activity in the neutron channel, so I
think right now planning for success is good. But again, we need some
aggressive check points, and people need to realize this is not the
beginning of this work, it is the closing session.

-Sean

Great. What kind of check points in a mutual location would we like to see?

Etherpad?

Meeting logs?

Other suggestions?

Thanks Sean,
Anita.




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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Anita Kuno

Silly me and Saturday emails. I mistakenly sent out the emails to the 
individual participants from my gmail account not this one. Sorry about 
that.


Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/16/2013 10:12 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:
I have just sent out emails asking for specific details for food and 
so on to the 31 emails provided to me, thank you all for indicating 
your intent.


If you would like to attend the code sprint and did not receive an 
email from this email address anteaya at anteaya dot info (check your 
spam folder, please) please email me and ensure I add you to the list.


I look forward to hearing from you all as soon as possible so I can 
submit my budget for the event.


My thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:48 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
So if you are requesting a letter of invitation to enter Canada, here 
is what I have to do to provide it:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.asp

It appears that letters of invitation are only required sometimes:
Sometimes, when you apply for a visa to visit Canada, we ask you to 
give us a letter of invitation from someone in Canada.
so I will encourage you to contact your closest Canadian embassy or 
consulate outside of Canada to assess if you need one. Hopefully if 
you are planning on staying less that 1 week, you won't need one. But 
contact the embassy and be sure.


Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:25 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Will do ASAP.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 10:20 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Hi Edgar:

I hadn't thought of that, I guess I am going to have to do that.

For others, check if you need a visa to enter Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp
Please notify me ASAP if you do, even if you aren't sure you can 
attend

so I can get the paperwork you need.

Edgar, can you email me your address to my personal email anteaya at
anteaya dot info so I can work on this for you.

Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:12 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Anita,

Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will 
require

a
visa?, which is my case.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere 
will be

a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron 
tests in

Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came 
forward
when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to 
know how

many additional people are interested in attending.

This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for 
this

to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in
advance.

We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, 
salv-orlando,

sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
Montreal it is.

It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in
the
States have an easier time entering Canada.
  US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of 
travel

and we are inside that timeframe.
2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this 
event

in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
can't wait on good weather.

There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people 
will be
disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that 
this

event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
location. So that is the future vision.

I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a 
rate on a

block of rooms at a hotel.

I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes 
they

will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope
that
the money can come from the Foundation.

The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other 
based on
who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our 
paycheque. If

folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work
logos
and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue 
you a
white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to 
effectlvely

make progress during the code sprint.

Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. 
If you

want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
1. It will be cold.
2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel
wearing
appropriate

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-16 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/16/2013 01:14 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Sean Dague wrote:

On 11/15/2013 10:36 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
make significant progress.

To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's one of the
largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really can't wait
around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.

100% agreed. Realistically this has to be a capping session, not when
the real work starts. If the agent rewrite isn't done, and the parallel
gate basically working before then, it won't work.

Honestly, I think we're going to need to checkpoint before Christmas to
figure out if the preconditions are met, because if they aren't, then
it's not clear the 3 days of code sprint are really going to generate
the results we need.

I'm encouraged by the level of activity in the neutron channel, so I
think right now planning for success is good. But again, we need some
aggressive check points, and people need to realize this is not the
beginning of this work, it is the closing session.

-Sean
Great. What kind of check points in a mutual location would we like to 
see?


Etherpad?

Meeting logs?

Other suggestions?

Thanks Sean,
Anita.

Actually I am going to answer my own question with a proposal.

I would like to see a special sub-committee of the TC convened comprised 
of (5?) TC members and/or appointees for the express purpose of being 
available to help meet this goal, be available in the -neutron irc 
channel for questions and support and also to guide the process so the 
goal is achieved.


Thoughts?

Anita.



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Rossella Sblendido

Hi Anita,

thanks a lot for taking care of this, I realize it's hard to organize this
kind of event.

I think I am going to have to go with attendees are on their own for rooms.
 Less than an ideal situation in one sense, but much more doable from an
 organization point of view for me - I just have to focus on the meeting
 room and daily food, much easier to come to a reasonable budget in my mind.


I'd prefer that we are all in the same hotel. I can offer my help to
contact some hotel and see what prices they propose. Would that help? Or do
you think it would be more expensive anyway?

cheers,

Rossella



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

  On 11/14/2013 06:45 PM, Miguel Lavalle wrote:

  Anita,

  I am interested in attending this event. I have already talked to my
 manager and he is open to fund my trip.

 Wonderful. This is great news, Miguel. I look forward to meeting you.

   I need to put together a budget, though, in order to get final approval.

 That makes sense.

   What is the estimated daily rate for the chosen hotel / venue?

 I have looked at selecting a designated hotel and I don't think I am going
 to go that route. I will explain why.

 If I go with a block of rooms at one location, and meeting rooms plus
 daily food, I can't get comfortable with what they want to charge me on a
 per person basis.

 If I go with a location by itself (which I have a tentative hold on) and
 food by itself (awaiting a menu from a caterer) then I am feeling the
 numbers will come in to a reasonable amount. This option would mean that
 attendees are on their own for hotel bookings. Taking a quick look at
 kayak.com and filtering for 10 km to the intended location, the prices
 for some rooms will match or beat any prices I have gotten back from the
 hotel I have contacted.

 http://www.ca.kayak.com/hotels/Montreal,QC,Canada-c6966/2014-01-14/2014-01-18

 I think I am going to have to go with attendees are on their own for
 rooms. Less than an ideal situation in one sense, but much more doable from
 an organization point of view for me - I just have to focus on the meeting
 room and daily food, much easier to come to a reasonable budget in my mind.
 This would cover breakfast, tea/coffee and lunch. I still don't know what
 to do about dinner. I would like us to have the option to congregate as a
 group - I don't think a sit down dinner is reasonable, something more
 conducive to mingling. But I haven't gotten there yet, suggestions welcome.

 Having attendees organize their own accommodations worked fine for the
 Infra Boot Camp in New York City in June, so I hope it will work as well
 here.

 I hope this frees you up to make your own choices, Miguel, and submit your
 budget for approval.

 Let me know your thoughts and if you need more from me.

 Thanks,
 Anita.


  Looking forward to see you in Montreal

  Cheers

  Miguel


 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward
 when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how many
 additional people are interested in attending.

 This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this to
 happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in advance.

 We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
 1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando,
 sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
 2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
 Montreal it is.

 It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
 1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in the
 States have an easier time entering Canada.
 US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel and
 we are inside that timeframe.
 2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
 3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event
 in Canada since I am in Canada.
 4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event can't
 wait on good weather.

 There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
 disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this
 event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that people
 who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the location. So that
 is the future vision.

 I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate on a
 block of rooms at a hotel.

 I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they
 will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
 Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event happening
 and if I can come up

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 06:08 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:

Hi Anita,

thanks a lot for taking care of this, I realize it's hard to organize 
this kind of event.


I think I am going to have to go with attendees are on their own
for rooms. Less than an ideal situation in one sense, but much
more doable from an organization point of view for me - I just
have to focus on the meeting room and daily food, much easier to
come to a reasonable budget in my mind.


I'd prefer that we are all in the same hotel. I can offer my help to 
contact some hotel and see what prices they propose. Would that help? 
Or do you think it would be more expensive anyway?

I think that would be great. Please do.

The address of the meeting room I have tentatively booked is:
3625 Avenue du Parc
Montréal, QC H2X, Canada ?

Let me know what else you need to support this direction.

Thanks so much Rossella,
Anita.


cheers,

Rossella



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info 
mailto:ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


On 11/14/2013 06:45 PM, Miguel Lavalle wrote:

Anita,

I am interested in attending this event. I have already talked to
my manager and he is open to fund my trip.

Wonderful. This is great news, Miguel. I look forward to meeting you.


I need to put together a budget, though, in order to get final
approval.

That makes sense.


What is the estimated daily rate for the chosen hotel / venue?

I have looked at selecting a designated hotel and I don't think I
am going to go that route. I will explain why.

If I go with a block of rooms at one location, and meeting rooms
plus daily food, I can't get comfortable with what they want to
charge me on a per person basis.

If I go with a location by itself (which I have a tentative hold
on) and food by itself (awaiting a menu from a caterer) then I am
feeling the numbers will come in to a reasonable amount. This
option would mean that attendees are on their own for hotel
bookings. Taking a quick look at kayak.com http://kayak.com and
filtering for 10 km to the intended location, the prices for some
rooms will match or beat any prices I have gotten back from the
hotel I have contacted.

http://www.ca.kayak.com/hotels/Montreal,QC,Canada-c6966/2014-01-14/2014-01-18

I think I am going to have to go with attendees are on their own
for rooms. Less than an ideal situation in one sense, but much
more doable from an organization point of view for me - I just
have to focus on the meeting room and daily food, much easier to
come to a reasonable budget in my mind. This would cover
breakfast, tea/coffee and lunch. I still don't know what to do
about dinner. I would like us to have the option to congregate as
a group - I don't think a sit down dinner is reasonable, something
more conducive to mingling. But I haven't gotten there yet,
suggestions welcome.

Having attendees organize their own accommodations worked fine for
the Infra Boot Camp in New York City in June, so I hope it will
work as well here.

I hope this frees you up to make your own choices, Miguel, and
submit your budget for approval.

Let me know your thoughts and if you need more from me.

Thanks,
Anita.



Looking forward to see you in Montreal

Cheers

Miguel


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Anita Kuno
ante...@anteaya.info mailto:ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec,
Canadathere will be a Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve
the status of Neutron tests in Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho
came forward when it was announced on the Friday at the
summit. We need to know how many additional people are
interested in attending.

This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need
for this to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know
about it in advance.

We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain,
salv-orlando, sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New
York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a
thought, so Montreal it is.

It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an
event in the States have an easier time entering Canada.
US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance
of travel and we are inside that timeframe.
2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce
this event in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Rossella Sblendido

Hi all,

to avoid any misunderstanding let me specify it clearly. The event will
take place the second full week of January, 15th,16th,17th.

cheers,

Rossella


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

  On 11/15/2013 06:08 AM, Rossella Sblendido wrote:

   Hi Anita,

  thanks a lot for taking care of this, I realize it's hard to organize
 this kind of event.

  I think I am going to have to go with attendees are on their own for
 rooms. Less than an ideal situation in one sense, but much more doable from
 an organization point of view for me - I just have to focus on the meeting
 room and daily food, much easier to come to a reasonable budget in my mind.


  I'd prefer that we are all in the same hotel. I can offer my help to
 contact some hotel and see what prices they propose. Would that help? Or do
 you think it would be more expensive anyway?

 I think that would be great. Please do.

 The address of the meeting room I have tentatively booked is:
  3625 Avenue du Parc
  Montréal, QC H2X, Canada 

 Let me know what else you need to support this direction.

 Thanks so much Rossella,
 Anita.


  cheers,

 Rossella



 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

  On 11/14/2013 06:45 PM, Miguel Lavalle wrote:

  Anita,

  I am interested in attending this event. I have already talked to my
 manager and he is open to fund my trip.

  Wonderful. This is great news, Miguel. I look forward to meeting you.

   I need to put together a budget, though, in order to get final
 approval.

  That makes sense.

   What is the estimated daily rate for the chosen hotel / venue?

  I have looked at selecting a designated hotel and I don't think I am
 going to go that route. I will explain why.

 If I go with a block of rooms at one location, and meeting rooms plus
 daily food, I can't get comfortable with what they want to charge me on a
 per person basis.

 If I go with a location by itself (which I have a tentative hold on) and
 food by itself (awaiting a menu from a caterer) then I am feeling the
 numbers will come in to a reasonable amount. This option would mean that
 attendees are on their own for hotel bookings. Taking a quick look at
 kayak.com and filtering for 10 km to the intended location, the prices
 for some rooms will match or beat any prices I have gotten back from the
 hotel I have contacted.

 http://www.ca.kayak.com/hotels/Montreal,QC,Canada-c6966/2014-01-14/2014-01-18

 I think I am going to have to go with attendees are on their own for
 rooms. Less than an ideal situation in one sense, but much more doable from
 an organization point of view for me - I just have to focus on the meeting
 room and daily food, much easier to come to a reasonable budget in my mind.
 This would cover breakfast, tea/coffee and lunch. I still don't know what
 to do about dinner. I would like us to have the option to congregate as a
 group - I don't think a sit down dinner is reasonable, something more
 conducive to mingling. But I haven't gotten there yet, suggestions welcome.

 Having attendees organize their own accommodations worked fine for the
 Infra Boot Camp in New York City in June, so I hope it will work as well
 here.

 I hope this frees you up to make your own choices, Miguel, and submit
 your budget for approval.

 Let me know your thoughts and if you need more from me.

 Thanks,
 Anita.


  Looking forward to see you in Montreal

  Cheers

  Miguel


 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.infowrote:

 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward
 when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how many
 additional people are interested in attending.

 This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this
 to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in advance.

 We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
 1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando,
 sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
 2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
 Montreal it is.

 It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
 1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in the
 States have an easier time entering Canada.
 US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel
 and we are inside that timeframe.
 2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
 3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event
 in Canada since I am in Canada.
 4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
 can't wait on good weather.

 There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
 disappointed by this choice and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Russell Bryant

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 Neutron Tempest code sprint
 
 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
make significant progress.

To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's one of the
largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really can't wait
around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.

 The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
 who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
 folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos
 and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a
 white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
 make progress during the code sprint.

I'm all for promoting a culture of individuals and vendor neutrality.
However, I think this requirement is bizarre and unnecessary.  From a
practical standpoint, many people (myself included) get a ton of shirts
at conferences, so a lot of my clothes have tech company logos.  If you
actually get people to show up to an event dedicated to working on
testing, who cares what shirt they have on?

I will issue you a white T-shirt?!  Are you serious?

 Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
 want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
 footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
 1. It will be cold.
 2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
 increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel wearing
 appropriate footwear supports this goal.

It's Winter in Canada... I'd be quite surprised if someone went without
shoes.

I love the idea, but this stuff is just a big turn-off.

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Kyle Mestery (kmestery)

On Nov 15, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote:
 On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 Neutron Tempest code sprint
 
 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 
 First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
 great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
 make significant progress.
 
 To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's one of the
 largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
 with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
 Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
 nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really can't wait
 around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.
 
 The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
 who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
 folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos
 and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a
 white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
 make progress during the code sprint.
 
 I'm all for promoting a culture of individuals and vendor neutrality.
 However, I think this requirement is bizarre and unnecessary.  From a
 practical standpoint, many people (myself included) get a ton of shirts
 at conferences, so a lot of my clothes have tech company logos.  If you
 actually get people to show up to an event dedicated to working on
 testing, who cares what shirt they have on?
 
 I will issue you a white T-shirt?!  Are you serious?
 
 Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
 want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
 footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
 1. It will be cold.
 2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
 increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel wearing
 appropriate footwear supports this goal.
 
 It's Winter in Canada... I'd be quite surprised if someone went without
 shoes.
 
 I love the idea, but this stuff is just a big turn-off.

Huge +1 from me as well. The sprint and Tempest work is great, the
clothing requirements are going to make people not take this seriously.
I feel these were not necessary.



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Dan Smith

 Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.

Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
a result.

--Dan


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 12:04 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.

Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
a result.

--Dan

I acknowledge your choice, Dan.

Thanks,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Russell Bryant

On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:
 On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote:
 Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.

 Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
 a result.

 Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
 with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
 provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
 I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.

I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
at all.

I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
community.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:

On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote:

Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.

Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
a result.


Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.

I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
at all.

I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
community.
I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am 
so glad to work with you.


Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron 
design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.


I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the 
code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that 
goal.


What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in 
OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?


I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being 
considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this 
thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.


Thanks Russell,
Anita.





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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Russell Bryant

On 11/15/2013 12:47 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
 considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
 thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.

Believe me, I'd much rather be able to focus on what actually matters.

That's my suggestion.  Focus on what matters (future of Neutron) and not
clothing requirements.  Retract all of that from the sprint announcement
and then perhaps we can do so.  :-)

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin

On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote:
 On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
  On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:
  On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote:
  Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.
  Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
  a result.
 
  Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
  with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
  provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
  I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.
  I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
  at all.
 
  I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
  offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
  it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
  to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
  community.
 I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am 
 so glad to work with you.
 
 Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron 
 design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.
 
 I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the 
 code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that 
 goal.
 
 What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in 
 OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?
 
 I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being 
 considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this 
 thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.

I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. there should be
more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their
drivers. I'm cool with that, and totally agree.

Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of
expressing that concern, though.

Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of
individuals, we should all wear our project hats, that our affiliation
should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ...

Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of
what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the mutual respect
you talk about.

Mark.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 12:58 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:47 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.

Believe me, I'd much rather be able to focus on what actually matters.

That's my suggestion.  Focus on what matters (future of Neutron) and not
clothing requirements.  Retract all of that from the sprint announcement
and then perhaps we can do so.  :-)


Okay, I can do that.

Consider it retracted. Saves me having to source t-shirts anyway. /me 
crosses that item off the list.


I hope that focusing on the future of Neutron is the energy that 
permeates the code sprint.


Thanks Russell,
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 01:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote:

On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:

On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote:

Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.

Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
a result.


Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.

I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
at all.

I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
community.

I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am
so glad to work with you.

Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron
design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.

I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the
code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that
goal.

What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in
OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?

I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.

I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. there should be
more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their
drivers. I'm cool with that, and totally agree.

Very much so.


Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of
expressing that concern, though.

I see I am in the minority on my choice of how to implement the above.


Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of
individuals, we should all wear our project hats, that our affiliation
should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ...
Exactly right. And it is because of my beneficial interactions in that 
regard that I would really like to see this carried over into Neutron.


I excel at making mistakes and this appears to be a large one. I am glad 
you are able to discern my motivations for my actions, seperate one from 
the other and share your thoughts on how I can improve.


Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of
what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the mutual respect
you talk about.

Mark.
You make a good point. Hopefully more suggestions will come forward 
about how to foster mutual respect in a behaviour conguent with the spirit.


Thanks Mark,
Anita.



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Salvatore Orlando

Apologies for forking the thread.
I think this is probably the last post with some content which might be
useful for a discussion which does not involve fashion police.

On another note, I've seen my name is in the list of the required
attendees. To be fair and honest I'm not any more required than any other
member of the neutron core team.

I've also added some comments inline.

On 15 November 2013 17:16, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 On 11/15/2013 11:01 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:

 On Nov 15, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.

 First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort into this is
 great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait until this week to
 make significant progress.

 Well I have an item on the Neutron team meeting for next week:
 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Neutron_
 Tempest_.28anteaya.29
 I would enjoy having your presence there and hope you join in on the
 discussion, Russell.


This is completely true, and I expect that the ideal goal would be that by
the day that the sprint comes, parallel testing with tenant isolation and
coverage gaps are covered.
Regarding specifically the sprint, I reckon it is an event with lot of
potential for building a community and solving actual problems, but allow
me to say that, from my little experience, developer productivity often
don't add up. By this I mean that if you put 10 developers in a room, and
each of them has a productivity of one, the outcome is likely to be less
than 10.

I am sure that Neutron devs will work with Tempest devs, with the help of
Nova devs (we need that too as one of main pain points is the neutronv2
implementation of nova's network api) to reach to a stage where we are
comfortable with gate stability and coverage by the beginning of this
Montreal sprint.




 To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's one of the
 largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and moving forward
 with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before icehouse-2.
 Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on whether or not
 nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really can't wait
 around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.


As also stated during the design summit, this goes beyond parity,
stability, and migration. It is a question that should probably be asked to
users rather than developers, but is probably off-topic in this thread.


  Yes, the surprising thing for me is this is the feeling within the rest
 of the OpenStack community and seems to be not acknowledged in anyway so
 far in my journeys within Neutron. Thank you for stating this so clearly,
 Russell. I hope people are able to hear you when you say it.


I personally do not feel this way; even if this is just my personal opinion.
We did a bad job in fixing test coverage during Havana; the PTL has
acknowledged it, and is taking the necessary steps to put things right. I
think there has been a good response from the community, in terms of people
willing to volunteer, and in terms of support for the plan of requiring
verifiability for all plugins.



 It was actually for this reason that I decided to do what I am doing, to
 my best ability to do it. Others are prepared to deprecate Neutron now and
 I needed to demonstrate to myself that I did everything I could to address
 the situation before I voiced my opinion.




 So we shall see what comes of it.


  The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
 who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
 folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos
 and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a
 white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
 make progress during the code sprint.

 I'm all for promoting a culture of individuals and vendor neutrality.
 However, I think this requirement is bizarre and unnecessary.  From a
 practical standpoint, many people (myself included) get a ton of shirts
 at conferences, so a lot of my clothes have tech company logos.  If you
 actually get people to show up to an event dedicated to working on
 testing, who cares what shirt they have on?

 Actually symbols are very important and carry subtle messages that the
 unconcious part of the brain interprets but may not push to conciousness.
 http://uanews.org/story/ua-study-your-brain-sees-things-you-don-t

 Logos are powerful for a reason, and when I talk to you, Russell, I
 appreciate being able to look at you and hear you without a logo creating
 interference with my communication with you.


 I will issue you a white T-shirt?!  Are you serious?

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 02:33 PM, Salvatore Orlando wrote:

Apologies for forking the thread.

Not at all. You do want you need to do.
I think this is probably the last post with some content which might 
be useful for a discussion which does not involve fashion police.

I'm all for content for useful discussion.


On another note, I've seen my name is in the list of the required 
attendees. To be fair and honest I'm not any more required than any 
other member of the neutron core team.
When I asked Mark McClain who needed to be there, he told me yourself, 
Sean Dague and Matt Trenish. I was going on the best information I had 
at the time. I also had to select a time and location with the 4 of you 
in two different rooms in less than 2 hours.


I hope all the Neutron cores attend. I also agree with the sentiment. I 
picture a circle, every contributor an equal distance from the same focus.


I've also added some comments inline.

On 15 November 2013 17:16, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info 
mailto:ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


On 11/15/2013 11:01 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:

On Nov 15, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Russell Bryant
rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote:

On 11/13/2013 11:10 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec,
Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of
Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.

First off, I think anything regarding putting more effort
into this is
great.  However, I *beg* the Neutron team not to wait
until this week to
make significant progress.

Well I have an item on the Neutron team meeting for next week:

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Neutron_Tempest_.28anteaya.29
I would enjoy having your presence there and hope you join in on
the discussion, Russell.


This is completely true, and I expect that the ideal goal would be 
that by the day that the sprint comes, parallel testing with tenant 
isolation and coverage gaps are covered.
Do we have any blueprints or etherpads giving some guidance on 
implementing this expectation?

I do like the phrase parallel testing, music to my ears.
Regarding specifically the sprint, I reckon it is an event with lot of 
potential for building a community and solving actual problems, but 
allow me to say that, from my little experience, developer 
productivity often don't add up. By this I mean that if you put 10 
developers in a room, and each of them has a productivity of one, the 
outcome is likely to be less than 10.
Do you feel there is a better way to meet the goals the sprint is 
designed to meet?


I am sure that Neutron devs will work with Tempest devs, with the help 
of Nova devs (we need that too as one of main pain points is the 
neutronv2 implementation of nova's network api) to reach to a stage 
where we are comfortable with gate stability and coverage by the 
beginning of this Montreal sprint.
I do hope so. Part of what I hope comes out of this is a through 
understanding of what tempest is and how to write tempest tests, since 
there seems to be a need for some teaching on these points within 
neutron. If there is an expectation that the gate is stable and covered 
by the beginning of the sprint, perhaps we need to look at ensuring 
tempest information is disseminated through neutron prior to the sprint.




To be clear, IMO, this is already painfully late.  It's
one of the
largest items blocking deprecation of nova-network and
moving forward
with Neutron.  This spring is just a couple weeks before
icehouse-2.
Come i2, mid-cycle, we're going to have make a call on
whether or not
nova-network deprecation seems likely.  If not, we really
can't wait
around and I will probably propose un-freezing nova-network.


As also stated during the design summit, this goes beyond parity, 
stability, and migration. It is a question that should probably be 
asked to users rather than developers, but is probably off-topic in 
this thread.
I think we need to continue to discuss what we should work on at the 
code sprint and prior to it. If you and Russell have different opinions 
on what should be accomplished, I think now is the time to have that 
discussion.


Yes, the surprising thing for me is this is the feeling within the
rest of the OpenStack community and seems to be not acknowledged
in anyway so far in my journeys within Neutron. Thank you for
stating this so clearly, Russell. I hope people are able to hear
you when you say it.


I personally do not feel this way; even if this is just my personal 
opinion.

I am so very glad to hear that. And your personal opinion

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Rochelle.Grober

Perhaps all this sound and fury will get a some entity to step up and provide 
Neutron project t-shirts for the sprint;-)  Then maybe the participants will 
*want* to wear the Neutron Team shirt.

And as for errors, Anita, I fully understand, sympathize and have experience in 
that area.

--Rocky

From: Anita Kuno 
On 11/15/2013 12:58 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
 On 11/15/2013 12:47 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
 I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
 considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
 thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.
 Believe me, I'd much rather be able to focus on what actually matters.

 That's my suggestion.  Focus on what matters (future of Neutron) and not
 clothing requirements.  Retract all of that from the sprint announcement
 and then perhaps we can do so.  :-)

Okay, I can do that.

Consider it retracted. Saves me having to source t-shirts anyway. /me 
crosses that item off the list.

I hope that focusing on the future of Neutron is the energy that 
permeates the code sprint.

Thanks Russell,
Anita.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Anita Kuno


On 11/15/2013 04:53 PM, Rochelle.Grober wrote:

Perhaps all this sound and fury will get a some entity to step up and provide 
Neutron project t-shirts for the sprint;-)  Then maybe the participants will 
*want* to wear the Neutron Team shirt.

And as for errors, Anita, I fully understand, sympathize and have experience in 
that area.

--Rocky

It is a way of learning.

You never know what can happen.

Thanks Rocky,
Anita.


From: Anita Kuno
On 11/15/2013 12:58 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:

On 11/15/2013 12:47 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:

I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.

Believe me, I'd much rather be able to focus on what actually matters.

That's my suggestion.  Focus on what matters (future of Neutron) and not
clothing requirements.  Retract all of that from the sprint announcement
and then perhaps we can do so.  :-)


Okay, I can do that.

Consider it retracted. Saves me having to source t-shirts anyway. /me
crosses that item off the list.

I hope that focusing on the future of Neutron is the energy that
permeates the code sprint.

Thanks Russell,
Anita.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-14 Thread Miguel Lavalle

Anita,

I am interested in attending this event. I have already talked to my
manager and he is open to fund my trip. I need to put together a budget,
though, in order to get final approval. What is the estimated daily rate
for the chosen hotel / venue?

Looking forward to see you in Montreal

Cheers

Miguel


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

 Neutron Tempest code sprint

 In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
 Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
 Tempest and to add new tests.
 It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward
 when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how many
 additional people are interested in attending.

 This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this to
 happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in advance.

 We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
 1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando,
 sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
 2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
 Montreal it is.

 It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
 1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in the
 States have an easier time entering Canada.
 US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel and
 we are inside that timeframe.
 2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
 3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event in
 Canada since I am in Canada.
 4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event can't
 wait on good weather.

 There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
 disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this
 event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that people
 who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the location. So that
 is the future vision.

 I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate on a
 block of rooms at a hotel.

 I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they will
 sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the Foundation
 has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event happening and if I
 can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope that the money can come
 from the Foundation.

 The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on who
 we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If folks
 arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos and
 which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a white
 T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely make
 progress during the code sprint.

 Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
 want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate footwear
 in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
 1. It will be cold.
 2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to increase
 communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel wearing appropriate
 footwear supports this goal.

 Please indicate your interest by sending an email to ante...@anteaya.info,
 subject Neutron Tempest code sprint. Don't worry about the body of the
 email, I just need addresses. We will send out subsequent emails to this
 group to gather specific details like shirt size, dietary requirements. If
 you came forward at the summit, no need to email again.

 If you want to come, but don't feel your employer will fund the trip,
 please include that information in the email. It will depend on what we can
 do for accomodation and travel but hopefully we will have a little bit for
 a few folks. Of course please talk to your manager now to work on getting
 approval to attend, and hopefully your employeer will fund your travel and
 accomodation.

 Additional questions? Hit me up on irc in #openstack-neutron nick anteaya.
 I read the neutron logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.
 org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/So I will get back to you if I am not
 around when you ask.

 Also rossella_s has come forward to help, thank you rossella_s!

 Thanks,
 Anita.

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[openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-13 Thread Anita Kuno


Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a 
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in 
Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward 
when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how 
many additional people are interested in attending.


This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this 
to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in advance.


We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando, 
sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so 
Montreal it is.


It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in the 
States have an easier time entering Canada.
US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel 
and we are inside that timeframe.

2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event 
in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event 
can't wait on good weather.


There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be 
disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this 
event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that 
people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the 
location. So that is the future vision.


I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate on a 
block of rooms at a hotel.


I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they 
will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the 
Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event 
happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope that 
the money can come from the Foundation.


The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on 
who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If 
folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos 
and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a 
white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely 
make progress during the code sprint.


Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you 
want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate 
footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:

1. It will be cold.
2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to 
increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel wearing 
appropriate footwear supports this goal.


Please indicate your interest by sending an email to 
ante...@anteaya.info, subject Neutron Tempest code sprint. Don't worry 
about the body of the email, I just need addresses. We will send out 
subsequent emails to this group to gather specific details like shirt 
size, dietary requirements. If you came forward at the summit, no need 
to email again.


If you want to come, but don't feel your employer will fund the trip, 
please include that information in the email. It will depend on what we 
can do for accomodation and travel but hopefully we will have a little 
bit for a few folks. Of course please talk to your manager now to work 
on getting approval to attend, and hopefully your employeer will fund 
your travel and accomodation.


Additional questions? Hit me up on irc in #openstack-neutron nick 
anteaya. I read the neutron logs: 
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/So I will 
get back to you if I am not around when you ask.


Also rossella_s has come forward to help, thank you rossella_s!

Thanks,
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-13 Thread Edgar Magana

Anita,

Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will require a
visa?, which is my case.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:

Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward
when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how
many additional people are interested in attending.

This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this
to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in advance.

We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando,
sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
Montreal it is.

It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in the
States have an easier time entering Canada.
 US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel
and we are inside that timeframe.
2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event
in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
can't wait on good weather.

There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this
event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
location. So that is the future vision.

I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate on a
block of rooms at a hotel.

I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they
will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope that
the money can come from the Foundation.

The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos
and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a
white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
make progress during the code sprint.

Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
1. It will be cold.
2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel wearing
appropriate footwear supports this goal.

Please indicate your interest by sending an email to
ante...@anteaya.info, subject Neutron Tempest code sprint. Don't worry
about the body of the email, I just need addresses. We will send out
subsequent emails to this group to gather specific details like shirt
size, dietary requirements. If you came forward at the summit, no need
to email again.

If you want to come, but don't feel your employer will fund the trip,
please include that information in the email. It will depend on what we
can do for accomodation and travel but hopefully we will have a little
bit for a few folks. Of course please talk to your manager now to work
on getting approval to attend, and hopefully your employeer will fund
your travel and accomodation.

Additional questions? Hit me up on irc in #openstack-neutron nick
anteaya. I read the neutron logs:
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/So I will
get back to you if I am not around when you ask.

Also rossella_s has come forward to help, thank you rossella_s!

Thanks,
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-13 Thread Anita Kuno


Hi Edgar:

I hadn't thought of that, I guess I am going to have to do that.

For others, check if you need a visa to enter Canada: 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp
Please notify me ASAP if you do, even if you aren't sure you can attend 
so I can get the paperwork you need.


Edgar, can you email me your address to my personal email anteaya at 
anteaya dot info so I can work on this for you.


Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:12 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Anita,

Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will require a
visa?, which is my case.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward
when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how
many additional people are interested in attending.

This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this
to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in advance.

We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando,
sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
Montreal it is.

It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in the
States have an easier time entering Canada.
 US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel
and we are inside that timeframe.
2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event
in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
can't wait on good weather.

There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this
event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
location. So that is the future vision.

I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate on a
block of rooms at a hotel.

I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they
will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope that
the money can come from the Foundation.

The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work logos
and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a
white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
make progress during the code sprint.

Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
1. It will be cold.
2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel wearing
appropriate footwear supports this goal.

Please indicate your interest by sending an email to
ante...@anteaya.info, subject Neutron Tempest code sprint. Don't worry
about the body of the email, I just need addresses. We will send out
subsequent emails to this group to gather specific details like shirt
size, dietary requirements. If you came forward at the summit, no need
to email again.

If you want to come, but don't feel your employer will fund the trip,
please include that information in the email. It will depend on what we
can do for accomodation and travel but hopefully we will have a little
bit for a few folks. Of course please talk to your manager now to work
on getting approval to attend, and hopefully your employeer will fund
your travel and accomodation.

Additional questions? Hit me up on irc in #openstack-neutron nick
anteaya. I read the neutron logs:
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/So I will
get back to you if I am not around when you ask.

Also rossella_s has come forward to help, thank you rossella_s!

Thanks,
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-13 Thread Anita Kuno

So if you are requesting a letter of invitation to enter Canada, here is 
what I have to do to provide it:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.asp

It appears that letters of invitation are only required sometimes:
Sometimes, when you apply for a visa to visit Canada, we ask you to 
give us a letter of invitation from someone in Canada.
so I will encourage you to contact your closest Canadian embassy or 
consulate outside of Canada to assess if you need one. Hopefully if you 
are planning on staying less that 1 week, you won't need one. But 
contact the embassy and be sure.


Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:25 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Will do ASAP.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 10:20 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Hi Edgar:

I hadn't thought of that, I guess I am going to have to do that.

For others, check if you need a visa to enter Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/visit/visas.asp
Please notify me ASAP if you do, even if you aren't sure you can attend
so I can get the paperwork you need.

Edgar, can you email me your address to my personal email anteaya at
anteaya dot info so I can work on this for you.

Thanks,
Anita.

On 11/13/2013 01:12 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:

Anita,

Could you prepare the invitation letters for the ones that will require
a
visa?, which is my case.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 11/13/13 8:10 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote:


Neutron Tempest code sprint

In the second week of January in Montreal, Quebec, Canadathere will be
a
Neutron Tempest code sprint to improve the status of Neutron tests in
Tempest and to add new tests.
It will be a 3 day event. Right now there are 14 peoplewho came forward
when it was announced on the Friday at the summit. We need to know how
many additional people are interested in attending.

This is an impromptu event based on my assessment of the need for this
to happen, so don't feel left out if you didn't know about it in
advance.

We picked Montreal for two main reasons:
1. All 4 people whose attendance is critical (markmclain, salv-orlando,
sdague and mtrenish) can get there. It was New York or Montreal.
2. I can't think in New York, love it, can't compose a thought, so
Montreal it is.

It turns out this location choice has some resultant effects:
1. People who wouldn't have time to get a visa to attend an event in
the
States have an easier time entering Canada.
  US requires visa applications filed 2 months in advance of travel
and we are inside that timeframe.
2. Montreal is cheaper than NYC.
3. Being Canadian it is going to be easier for me to produce this event
in Canada since I am in Canada.
4. It will be cold. We had few choices on the timing and this event
can't wait on good weather.

There is no location that will make everyone happy, so people will be
disappointed by this choice and I accept that. It is my hope that this
event is a success and we can create a schedule of some sort so that
people who have a high possibility of attending can vote on the
location. So that is the future vision.

I have a tenative hold on a venue and am working on getting a rate on a
block of rooms at a hotel.

I am preparing a budget to submit to the Foundation in the hopes they
will sponsor the event. Since this was planned with no warning, the
Foundation has no budget for it. Mark is supportive of the event
happening and if I can come up with some reasonable numbers, I hope
that
the money can come from the Foundation.

The event will be vendor neutral. We will talk to each other based on
who we are and our interests, not based on who signs our paycheque. If
folks arrive with logoed shirts (I don't know which logos are work
logos
and which aren't, so I will request no logos please) I will issue you a
white T-shirt to wear. We need to work collaboratively to effectlvely
make progress during the code sprint.

Someone at the summit choose not to wear footwear at the event. If you
want to come to the code sprint please plan on wearing appropriate
footwear in the public areas at the code sprint. For two reasons:
1. It will be cold.
2. The event is meant to facilitate mutual respect between us to
increase communication, both at the event and afterwards. I feel
wearing
appropriate footwear supports this goal.

Please indicate your interest by sending an email to
ante...@anteaya.info, subject Neutron Tempest code sprint. Don't
worry
about the body of the email, I just need addresses. We will send out
subsequent emails to this group to gather specific details like shirt
size, dietary requirements. If you came forward at the summit, no need
to email again.

If you want to come, but don't feel your employer will fund the trip,
please include that information in the email. It will depend on what we
can do for accomodation and travel but hopefully we will have a little
bit for a few folks. Of course please talk to your manager now to work
on getting approval to attend, and hopefully your employeer will fund
your travel and accomodation.

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