Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On 10/03/2014 10:06 AM, Chris Dent wrote: >> >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Anne Gentle wrote: >> >>> I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, >>> "we're optimizing only for dev." :) >> >> >> Yes, +many. > > > plus infinity.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > On 10/03/2014 09:25 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann > > wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon > > wrote: >> >>> >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen >> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Joe Gordon
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann < d...@doughellmann.com > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon < joe.gord...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Eoghan Glynn
- Original Message - > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann < d...@doughellmann.com > > wrote: > > > > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon < joe.gord...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen < > devananda@gm

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Joe Gordon
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen < > devananda@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann >> wrote: >> > As promised at this week’s T

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/03/2014 10:06 AM, Chris Dent wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Anne Gentle wrote: I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, "we're optimizing only for dev." :) Yes, +many. plus infinity. In my reading it seems like we are trying to optimize the process for deve

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Dean Troyer
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Chris Dent wrote: > People seem to talk about this flexibility as if it were a good > thing. It's not. There's tyranny of choice all over OpenStack. Is > that good for real people or just large players and our corporate > hosts? + We have a history o

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen >> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Dean Troyer
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > > > (Anne wrote this paragraph, I prematurely chopped the attribution > line...) > > I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, > > "we're optimizing only for dev." :) > FWIW Anne, that's where the bulk of the problem

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Sean Dague wrote: OpenStack is enough parts that you can mix and match as much as you want, but much like the 600 config options in Nova, we really can't document every combination of things. People seem to talk about this flexibility as if it were a good thing. It's not. Th

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Anne Gentle wrote: I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, "we're optimizing only for dev." :) Yes, +many. In my reading it seems like we are trying to optimize the process for developers which is exactly the opposite of what we want to be do

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/03/2014 09:25 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon > wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Vee

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Anne Gentle
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen < > devananda@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann >> wrote: >> > As promised at this week’s T

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: > >> >>> As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts >>> and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a >>> series of patches against

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen > wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog > > posts and mailing list threads related to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: > >> As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts >> and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a >> series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. >> >> I have tried t

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Eoghan Glynn wrote: > >> As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts >> and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a >> series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. >> >> I have tried to include all of the inputs, as

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-03 Thread Eoghan Glynn
> As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts > and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a > series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. > > I have tried to include all of the inputs, as well as my own opinions, a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-02 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/02/2014 10:46 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: After seeing Jay's idea of making a yaml file modeling things and talking to devananda about this I went ahead and tried to graph the relationships out. repo: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack preliminary YAML file: https://github.com/jogo/grap

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-02 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen < devananda@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann > wrote: > > As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog > posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-02 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts > and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series > of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. > > I have tried to in

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-02 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 2, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts > and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series > of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. > > I have tried to inc

[openstack-dev] [all][tc] governance changes for "big tent" model

2014-10-02 Thread Doug Hellmann
As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1]. I have tried to include all of the inputs, as well as my own opinions, and look