It is clear that you did not understand the meaning of
my previous post, and I won't lower myself to respond
to your flamatory/negative remarks. I only apologize
that I couldn't communicate my response clearly enough
for you to understand it.
The only thing I need to reply to is:
Oh and I may
fantasies? not even in my worst nightmare
may I suggest a bookmark for www.dictionary.com? flamatory is not a
word.
and I understood you completely. You gave your opinion in a
condescending and patronizing manner.
you are now blocked.
--- satar naghshineh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is
Now would be an appropriate time to consult the Tao of Oracle:
http://www.interealm.com/tao/pinterview.html
:0)
g
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Satar is too pessimistic , i'm afraid :-)
I'd go for the option of
--- O'Neill, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been presented with an opportunity to justify
requirements for a 2nd
DBA at our site. As I see it there are an number of
paths this presents:
1 - Justify and get a 2nd DBA.
Pro's: Gives me more time to get involved in other
projects as a senior DBA
fans are wonderful things :)
--- Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nah, that's just the sound of the paparazzi.
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Rachel,
sounds like you have a stalker...
At 01:15 AM 9/22/2001, you wrote:
sorry folks, this is going to be long
comments inline
an damn good ones too.
snip
The MIS managers or system admins can experience
Oracle Support if they can't get a hold of me.
Unfortunately, they put a lo-jack system (cell phone)
on me, so I am
F350
and my
faithful pump-action shotgun always have the right of way, $75k car
or
not
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From: satar naghshineh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Rachel - RE: 2nd
way too cynical.
One of the few things I learned in the management class I took was you have to train
the people
below you to do your job if you ever want a promotion
If no one else can do what you do, then you can't move on to other things.
On the other hand, Satar is a consultant. And
Agreed, it is in the best interest of the company to have two Oracle
professionals. ESPECIALLY if your doing in house development.
Production support, generally the amount of dba's is very black and white,
you can tell by the amount of work they are doing and how much has to be put
off to the
Title: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Another angle: when I left my last job, I was the only dba. They panicked and did everything they could to try to keep me. The result was they were left without a skilled dedicated dba, assigning my job responsibilities to a bda (big dumb a$$) who tried to learn
Subject:RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Agreed, it is in the best interest of the company to have two
Oracle
professionals. ESPECIALLY if your doing in house development.
Production support, generally the amount of dba's is very black and
white,
you can tell by the amount of work they are doing
Title: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Whats with the normal sig. What the
hell happened to the Wanton Kicking Boxing Goddess Lisa?
Todd Carlson
Oracle Database Administrator
Tripos, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Koivu,
Lisa
Document getting hit by a bus? You must have a photographer
following you around
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From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:16 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
one of my old
Ditto. One of the things that I get praised on is me training people.
Damn, I will train the whole office if that's what it takes. I have
been the only one, got a second dba for a month, and am back to being
the only one. Life is a lot easier with the second one around let me
tell you. And
Thanx to all you folk who replied on this matter. The humour, satire,
paranoia etc. in replies was worth the posting. The 2nd DBA vote won by a
large majority. Now to convince damagament
Sean :)
Data Base Administrator
Oracle 7.3.3, 8.0.5, 8.1.7 - NT, W2K
[0%] OCP Oracle8i DBA --- End
Not to mention having the time to study and read. I'm back to the Oracle
101 Performance Tuning Book for the first time in over a month today.
And that's only because all changes have been frozen except for Disaster
Recovery...
Jay Miller
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Sent: Friday, September 21,
, 2001 11:16 AM
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Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
one of my old bosses used to prefix things with if Rachel gets hit
by
a bus
still didn't hire anyone else, just asked me to document
--- Koivu, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another
At 03:17 PM 9/21/2001, you wrote:
but of course I do! doesn't every goddess? :)
click, click click, click click, click click, click;-)
--
Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA
Telergy,Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
way too cynical.
Thanks! It's this personality (or lack of) that has
made me very sucessful at my age. I was driving a 45k
dollar car (which you rode in) and owned my first
house at age 23. Now at 26, I also own a new Benz
(valued at 75k) and own
Rachel,
sounds like you have a stalker...
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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:01 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
At 03:17 PM 9/21/2001, you wrote:
but of course I do! doesn't every goddess? :)
click, click click, click click, click click, click;-)
--
recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Rachel - RE: 2nd DBA or ?
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
way too cynical.
Thanks! It's this personality (or lack of) that has
made me very sucessful at my age. I was driving a 45k
dollar car (which you rode in) and owned my first
house
Geesh, and I got bashed (and still do) for being sarcastically egotistic.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.
Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275
Nah, that's just the sound of the paparazzi.
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Rachel,
sounds like you have a stalker...
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To: Multiple recipients of
Well, I guess there are different ways of measuring success.
--Walt (I'm not coming from anywhere) Weaver
Bozeman, Montana, USA
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--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
way
naghshineh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Rachel - RE: 2nd DBA or ?
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
way too cynical.
Thanks! It's this personality (or lack of) that has
made me very
]]On Behalf Of Jenkins,
Michael
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Rachel - RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Wow, I'm in debt up to my eyeballs but I have the two most beautiful kids in
the world and a wonderful wife. Maybe I'm a little biased, eh? Does
Wow, I'm in debt up to my eyeballs but I have the two most beautiful kids in
the world and a wonderful wife. Maybe I'm a little biased, eh? Does that
make me rich in happiness and poor in money? I'll take it!
--Michael
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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:45 PM
To:
I've been presented with an opportunity to justify requirements for a 2nd
DBA at our site. As I see it there are an number of paths this presents:
1 - Justify and get a 2nd DBA.
Pro's: Gives me more time to get involved in other projects as a senior DBA.
Holidays and attendance at courses
) 885-2275
Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:30 PM
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I've been presented with an opportunity to justify requirements for a 2nd
DBA at our site. As I see
Title: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
second person, you get to have a life
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From: O'Neill, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:30 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: 2nd DBA or ?
I've been presented with an opportunity
Agreed. Do you want to ever be able to go on a 2 week vacation at some
point in your life? Or even 1 week overseas?
Then you need a 2nd DBA.
It's also much better for the company. If you should ever decide to seek
greener pastures elsewhere there will be someone familiar with all
: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:31 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Agreed. Do you want to ever be able to go on a 2 week vacation at some
point in your life? Or even 1 week overseas?
Then you need a 2nd DBA.
It's also much better for the company. If you should ever decide to seek
What is vacation?
-Original Message-
From: Miller, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:31 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Agreed. Do you want to ever be able to go on a 2 week
vacation at some
point
: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:31 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Agreed. Do you want to ever be able to go on a 2 week
vacation at some
point in your life? Or even 1 week overseas?
Then you need a 2nd DBA.
It's also much better for the company
At 02:55 PM 9/20/2001, you wrote:
What is vacation?
it's the time you don't spend sitting at your desk, but dialed in sitting
in a hotel room. too bad that none of the ones i can afford have
comfortable chairs.;-)
--
Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA
Telergy,Inc.
Title: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
as opposed to a sick day (me, today), when you have surgery and then take pain meds and STILL dial in to the office to check on things?
-Original Message-
From: Thater, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:45 PM
To: Multiple
At 04:50 PM 9/20/2001, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
as opposed to a sick day (me, today), when you have surgery and then take
pain meds and STILL dial in to the office to check on things?
yes, that's a sick day all right. vacations are when you don't take the
pain meds.;-)
--
Bill Shrek
been presented with an opportunity to justify requirements for a 2nd
DBA at our site. As I see it there are an number of paths this presents:
1 - Justify and get a 2nd DBA.
Pro's: Gives me more time to get involved in other projects as a senior DBA.
Holidays and attendance at courses and seminars
Help out your fellow DBAs. You need a life as well.
My 2c.
TP
--- O'Neill, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been presented with an opportunity to justify
requirements for a 2nd
DBA at our site. As I see it there are an number of
paths this presents:
1 - Justify and get a 2nd DBA
requirements for a 2nd
DBA at our site. As I see it there are an number of
paths this presents:
1 - Justify and get a 2nd DBA.
Pro's: Gives me more time to get involved in other
projects as a senior DBA.
Holidays and attendance at courses and seminars etc.
easier to take
2 - Outsource
Well, this seems to me to be a cynical/paranoid way of looking at things.
Probably true in some circles though.
Personally, I'm with the Hire A Second DBA crowd. I, too, would much rather
have a life. Too much fun stuff to do out there, too many places to go and
beer to drink.
--Walt (I'm goin'
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