Some comments and queries interspersed below.
From: Steven Lembark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:18:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Physical access to servers for maintenance
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Simplest method would be to say no we don't need it now, what is the
pager number of someone we can use
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
This doesn't work for NT machines,
and it with Unix you cannot install 8.1.6 without X access.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a
mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and
have
I do 99% of what I need from SSH as well, the only exception is hardware and
installs, which I have someone in the data center do.
Of course, under NT this is completely different.
Although Win2000 does have a funky Telnet.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
Ohhh, it works!
All you need is ... ???
(Telnet server alias telnetd)
:-)))
JP
On Wed 26. September 2001 14:45, you wrote:
This doesn't work for NT machines, and it with Unix you cannot install
8.1.6 without X access.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
OK, terminal services?
I agree that install is an exception. It's nearly impossible if you aren't sitting in front of the host.
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
Are
you talking NT only or install in general? On unix all you need is a
decent
X-windows package for your PC (Exceed, ChameleonX, Reflection X?,
etc).
I've
been here 3 years, installed at least 30 new systems and have
never
been
8.1.6 and higher you must use the interactive installer, it will not work
through telnet. As far as I have seen, it is the same for 9i as well,
unless I missed the documents on a new character based installer.
Unless something has changed recently.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a
:17 AM
Author: Koivu, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance:
OK, terminal services?
I agree that install is an exception. It's nearly impossible if you
aren't sitting in front of the host.
-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:45
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
I meant install in general. It took forever to do it over a fairly weak network.
Never went in the computer room? Really?? Cool :) But did someone physically load the cd on the host for you? Or did you run it from your pc?
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recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
This doesn't work for NT machines, and it with Unix you cannot install
8.1.6 without X access.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
way when you criticize
of the host.
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:45 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
This doesn't work for NT machines
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
We
keep images of the cd-roms for all current (and past) versions on a 'software
depot' (unix tar files)
so I
only need to have CDs loaded once for any given version. We only support
Oracle
on
Unix, no NT systems.
For
most versions I
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
Come
to think about it, access to my server room for Unix installs would be a
waste
of my
time. We have consoles on the servers with command line interface
only. Works
for
maintaince during downtimes when the network is out (planned
-0500
Subject: Re: Physical access to servers for maintenance
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Simplest method would be to say no we don't need it now, what is the
pager number of someone we can use if we do need things done? Make
a point of paging them every time you need something from the shell,
day or night
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
You
can use a tool such as ControlIT to connect to NT machines. Its how I do
it, both from the office,
and
from home. How do all these people who claim you need access to the server
room to do the
day to
day stuff provide remote
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Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
Thanks Mark.
Lisa
-Original Message-
From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:56 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
: Physical access to servers for maintenance
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Simplest method would be to say no we don't need it now, what is the
pager number of someone we can use if we do need things done? Make
a point of paging them every time you need something from the shell,
day or night. That person will, I'm sure
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
Me
too. We've got our 4 Production Win2k servers (2 Oracle8i servers, 2
Webservers) at a colocation facility and have used either PCAnywhere or Terminal
Services to access them over the Internet for the last 9
months.
The
developers
If you use Citrix on top of NT/2000 Terminal Services etc, your local
drives can be mapped.
I have used this to install printer drivers etc on a CD in my laptop onto
the server.
Local printers can be mapped too !
Steve Parker
Technical Consultant
LIS
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Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
Jack,
Any
issues with Terminal Services...since Oracle doesn't support Terminal Service's
use?
Thanks,
Ed
-Original Message-From: Jack C. Applewhite
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 26,
2001 2:05
Our hardware people are cracking sown on access to the computer room. They
have decided the DBA group can do all their work without going to the server
itself. This includes Unix and NT server running both Oracle and SQL
Server. We would have to use VNC Viewer and PC Anywhere. I am trying to
-- Smith, Ron L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our hardware people are cracking sown on access to the computer room.
They have decided the DBA group can do all their work without going to
the server itself. This includes Unix and NT server running both Oracle
and SQL Server. We would have to use VNC
Make that cracking down.
Ron
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:00 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Our hardware people are cracking sown on access to the computer room. They
have decided the DBA group can do all their work without going to the server
Only thing we are having is installing the software, like Oracle8i, it not
only needs mount the CD, also needs change the CD in the middle. If you only
have the PC, I don't know how you can install Oracle on UNIX without access
the UNIX box. Maybe SA will take care all the software installation.
Ron,
The only problem I see is when you need to physically touch the box - like
load a CD for installation of new Oracle tools, mount/dismount a tape, or
you need to physically re-boot the machine.
I don't have physical access to my NT servers (they are 5 miles away) and it
is no big deal.
Steven, although you need all that you say we need you
sure don't need access to the server room for that. At
the very least there is telnet, which is what I use from
home. Then there are things like Exceed and Xterms, which
is what I use at work. By no means do you need access
to the server
Just remember that whatever reasons you give for needing access to the
physical machines can also work against you if you ever want to permanently
telecommute. Or if the company decides to move your entire computer room
(which I've personally been through), the same reasons can be used as an
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
What's wrong with telnetting in?
-Original Message-
From: Steven Lembark [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Physical access to servers
Title: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance
Honestly Ron, installs are the only thing I can think of. We had our prod servers at a different location and believe me I avoided going up there whenever possible. Install was the only thing I had to go up there for.
I've been able
At 10:00 AM 9/25/2001, Smith, Ron L. wrote:
Our hardware people are cracking sown on access to the computer room. They
have decided the DBA group can do all their work without going to the server
itself. This includes Unix and NT server running both Oracle and SQL
Server. We would have to use
Hell, I don't go to the computer room unless I need to find an administrator
or put a cd in a drive. If I can force some sucker into making the walk for
me I would be happy with that. It does seem like a silly restriction
though.
You are an administrator. At one point in time there was talk
Even installs can be done remotely. All you need is to remote mount your
cdrom or tar up the cd's and ftp the the files to your server. We use
Exceed (X emulator) on our PC's and set the DISPLAY variable and run
/usr/dt/bin/dtwm (Window manager on Solaris, but any window manager will
do). Then
Don't get me wrong. I think you should have access to the servers
but its all in how you word things. Steven made it sound like he
could not do a thing without access to the server room when in fact
its rare that you need access to the server room. When you paint
a realistic picture to your
If you tar up the CD's and ftp them to your server, you don't need SA to
swap CD's.
If you set up automatic startup/shutdown using /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc0.d (on
Solaris, but there are equivalent methods for other platforms), then the
database/listener can be controlled without DBA intervention,
Realistically if you have only true DBA responsibilities you do not need
access to the physical box. TAR your install CD up and FTP it. Surely we
can all find 700mb out there on a drive somewhere. Or, NFS mount it across
the network. As for maintenance on the box our sysadmins do that stuff
Gurus,
I get the following on
select * from dual; when the database is in the unmounted and the
mounted state...
ADDR INDXINST_ID D
-- -- -
01653D38 01X
and the normal
D
-
X when it is open. What does the
Our servers are located in a commercial IDC (Internet Data Center) that has
tight security. The DBAs do not have access to the building, only a select
few Sys. Admins. So, we just give the Oracle CDs to a Sys. Admin. and have
him copy the contents of the multiple install CDs to the hard drive
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