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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:35 PM
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I'm glad I'm
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:35 PM
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I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What
Thank you for the research.
When they say Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a
production environment, by production environment, they must mean a business.
For example I can use MySQL on my home computer to keep track of my record collection,
and I can also
Jacques,
Based on what Matt sent, I'd say your in violation of their license. You've
distributed it internally.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Thank you
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10:39AM -0800, M Rafiq wrote:
Tim,
May be a an off-topic question to you or anybody who can answer.
What is the best source / books to learn mysql quickest possible without
too much cost to an individual?
The online docs are good:
I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get
MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until
their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will
acquire a different name. and of course a
Richard,
Now this is interesting. When you enter www.mysql.org into your browser you
get forwarded onto www.mysql.com.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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I say it's time to resurrect ndbm!
We KNOW that one is free ... and it's already there in your OS utilities (if
you are using the right OS).
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I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar
maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's
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I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver.
Can
you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in
the
dirt by MySql AB until
How can a honest DBA become a lawyer? It seems to me that technology
has become dependent on lawyers. If AIX is stopped, it will be a disaster
of biblical proportions which will seriously disrupt business. I believe
that the future lies in litigation, not technology.
As for MySQL, it has never
Tim,
Thanks
Regards
Rafiq
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:24:39 -0800
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10:39AM -0800, M Rafiq wrote:
Tim,
May be a an off-topic question to you or anybody who can answer.
What is the best source / books to learn mysql quickest possible without
too much cost to an
Of Goulet, Dick
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:30 AM
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Subject: RE: MySQL in the future?
Richard,
Now this is interesting. When you enter www.mysql.org
into your browser you get forwarded onto www.mysql.com.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
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Subject: Re: MySQL in the future?
Tim,
Thanks
Regards
Rafiq
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:24:39 -0800
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10:39AM -0800, M Rafiq wrote:
Tim,
May be a an off-topic question to you or anybody who can answer
Goulet, Dick wrote:
I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will acquire a different
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:30:17PM -0800, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
Nope, it will not. Companies are still suspicious toward open source
and if they cannot buy it, they will not use it. The most often quoted
reason is support.
http://www.mysql.com/support/index.html
I have found their support
Jesse,
In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a
lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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To:
Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder
why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior.
My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging
as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care
much about transaction 'n such.
Richard Ji
Richard,
I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support.
MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL.
PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge
Software. Don't know what happen to
Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how
many of them do you think people purchased support for? People
run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most
of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc.
Richard
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Richard,
Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql
AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site
(http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html):
MySQL Licensing
Policy In Brief
This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software
As a suggestion I would simply download, read the doc and install. I had
mysql installed and database built in about an hour. (not to
oversimplify it) but the docs are very good and will have you running in
no time.
Your coming from an oracle background so
architecturally/(instinctually), it
I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has
some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't
have to pay anyone.
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Richard,
Oh Contrare, if your using
No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-)
Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So,
source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence.
JP
On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote:
I thought that's
What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql
code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public
and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the
community before, right?
But my application too? For just using it? What about all
Richard,
I don't think there is a commercial company supporting/developing Apache,
TomCat, etc... But MySql AB is doing all of the above they want to make money. So
if all of your web pages, html code, JAVA etc... are all licensed under GPL or an
acceptable to MySql AB OSI license
Dick,
That's the commercial version your link points to which provides
additional functionality like InnoDB. But you can get free MySQL
from www.mysql.org.
Richard
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Richard,
Oh
Dick
So does that mean that MySQL could do the famous Microsoft maneuver? Give
it to them free/cheap until they're hooked, then raise the price?
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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The GPL does require any changes to the code covered by the GPL to be
released under the same license. That being said the code used in
conjuction with a GPL application does not have to be GPL'd. Consider
the example of compiling a c program with gcc. Your program can be as
proprietary as you
No, the GPL'd code is GPL'd forever.
Allan
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Dick
So does that mean that MySQL could do the famous Microsoft maneuver?
Give it to them free/cheap until they're hooked, then raise the
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:25 PM
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It seems (almost) clear to me from the text at
http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html
This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100%
GPL, and if
yours
I think the intro para quoted below is an oversimplification of the license
policy--and one that (understandably) favors MySQL AB. My reading of that
page is that it's the *distribution* of the MySQL source code (modified or
not) or binaries that requires you to have a commercial license.
I take
That's how I understand it as well.
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The GPL does require any changes to the code covered
: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:25 PM
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Subject: RE: MySQL in the future?
It seems (almost) clear to me from the text at
http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html
This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100%
GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL
I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X
and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded
from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the
database on different machines with the
I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to
Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for
now. :)
Rich
Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
In that article, unless I missed it, they didn't mention the deal between
SAP and MySQL.
SAP, MySQL Sign Open-Source Database Deal (By MARC L. SONGINI, JUNE 02,
2003, Computerworld)
SAP AG last week said it plans to hand off lead development of its SAP DB
database software to MySQL AB and work
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