RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-24 Thread Stephen Andert
] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour days

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-23 Thread Rachel Carmichael
of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer

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2002-07-23 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour days

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-23 Thread Ron Rogers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22-07-2002 07:08 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full

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2002-07-23 Thread Ruth Gramolini
: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour days. Not that I had to. He's

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-23 Thread Toepke, Kevin M
to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour days. Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant

Re: Rant-Rant

2002-07-23 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22-07-2002 07:08 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I

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2002-07-23 Thread Rachel Carmichael
] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour days

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-23 Thread Miller, Jay
Actually I'd think entj would be just about the ideal for a dba or sa. You have the leadership ability to ride herd on people (such as developers), are driven to keep up on the technical stuff, are well-organized enough to keep track of everything... I very aware of working against my natural

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-23 Thread Miller, Jay
Really? I had you pegged as an E given how well you organize all the NYOUG events/people. The J part was obvious :) Jay -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L hey, I'm an infj -- according to the out placement company, I'd

Re: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Robert Monical
I have been reading this list for the past several months as I prepare to move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I have a rant of my own. It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should be or should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA. I have a slightly

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2002-07-22 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
OMG! A Socialist in the group! I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and free up my time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Robert Monical
At 10:38 AM 7/22/2002 -0800, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote: OMG! A Socialist in the group! The irony is it sounds idealistic but it is hard nosed capitalism. From each according to his/her ability To each according to his/her value. The most successful organization will develop paradigms to

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical organization will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely have excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit out when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a luxury beyond

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Here's the way I see it would develop: Day one - lets' hire 2 Admin Dba's 1 Tech Dba - cost = $20+$20+$40 = $80/hour One year later - stock price drops - sales are slow - damager says save money - fire one Admin Dba, 2nd admin dba gets all the duties or is let go. new cost = $20+$40=$60

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2002-07-22 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Rachel, you are actually proving my point - that a company does not have the luxury (or common sense) to have more than one DBA on staff. Robert's utopia just doesn't fly in todays world. hire one person and work-em till they drop is the current motto. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified

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2002-07-22 Thread Miller, Jay
FYI: SJs make up about 40% of the population (app. 10% for each sub-division). Jay Miller infp (yeah, I know, what's an infp doing in a technical job... :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That is why I use the

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Joe LaCascio
How about an ENTJ as a DBA and System Admin... I'm loads of fun with a bunch of touchy feely type SP's here at the college I work for ;-) Joe On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Miller, Jay wrote: FYI: SJs make up about 40% of the population (app. 10% for each sub-division). Jay Miller infp (yeah, I

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2002-07-22 Thread Whittle Jerome Contr NCI
Title: RE: Rant-Rant I once was contracted to fix an Access database that was created by the Sociology department of a major university. The forms and reports all looked very, very nice. Unfortunately the database didn't work just right... Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour days. Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant about the fact that if there is too much

RE: Rant-Rant

2002-07-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
hey, I'm an infj -- according to the out placement company, I'd make a good nun (Robert, did you see my test results?) --- Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: SJs make up about 40% of the population (app. 10% for each sub-division). Jay Miller infp (yeah, I know, what's an infp

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2002-07-22 Thread Peter . McLarty
recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: Rant-Rant Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. I *did* look at my boss last week and said I