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Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL
Pinto do Souto
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Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something like that at the bottom of this article:
http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003
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I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Goulet, Dick
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I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market
pressure, and failing
That same mentality applies to organizations with 100-200 users! After the
latest meeting with the Oracle rep, damagement is seriously considering
alternate database systems.
Abey.
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I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market
pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief
here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in
the details.
Dick Goulet
: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org)
and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us
Christmas card for sure
Stephane
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Mladen Gogala
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Goulet, Dick
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market
pressure, and failing
Gogala
Oracle DBA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephane Paquette
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM
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I used to work for a large
: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviado el: jueves, 11 de septiembre de 2003 12:54
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Asunto: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that?
Do they sell Oracle software to non
We also has site licensing.
It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then.
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are
When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy
EE licences?
Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE.
Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with
OracleStore, it seems to me.
Patrice.
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Patrice
Which license do you think provides the Oracle sales representative the
largest commission? Money is considered an acceptable motivation for a sales
rep. The key word in your statement is negotiating.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT
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Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Hi,
I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a
machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for
this company
Hi,
I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a
machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for
this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers.
Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases.
Regards
the whole bundle or can you just get
pieces?
From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT
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Hi,
I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used
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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle
software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you
always have to buy the whole bundle
how restrictive are db2 and sql server on bundling licenses? and CPU limitations?
From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 10:29:25 EDT
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Subject: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Ryan
Yes, MUCH more
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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM
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is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle
software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you
always have to buy the whole bundle
recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle
software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you
always have to buy the whole bundle?
what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can
you
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle
software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you
always have to buy the whole bundle?
what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole
with 9iAS.
--
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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is SE alot more
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Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT
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Hi,
I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it
to be used
on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs
: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle
software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you
always have to buy the whole bundle?
what about
Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something like that at the bottom of this article:
http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html
Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users
I thought that's what count(*) was invented for?
Larry can
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Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something like that at the bottom of this article:
http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html
Counting processors is very
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Subject: Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout.
They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them
more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for
instance, were written
Did they get a 75% discount?if not shame on the manager :)
brian
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:49 AM
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Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large
corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had
All servers are running IBM Aix here, so I hope DB2 UDB will work correctly.
For the price, IBM is giving us 25% cheaper any Oracle price.
The database will be bundled with all IBM's BI software.
On the negative side, DB2 has not a big and accessible community like Oracle. On the
web you can
I had a 3 day training last year on db2 udb 7.2 when we were looking at it
for a Siebel project who died.
Yes, DB2 is not as Oracle who works the same on all platforms.
I found db2 udb 7.2 missing basic functionnalities like there is no truncate
table, you had to use the DB2 loader and load
I believe they did actually.
which gives you an idea of what the market will bear if Oracle can give
that large a discount
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Did they get a 75% discount?if not shame on the manager :)
brian
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Sent: Sunday, September
Mogens wrote from IBM whitepapers: If you want to have a portable
application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases . .
.
I nearly fell off my chair laughing. There are some political leaders that
could use a marketing person with that finesse. Thanks for brightening a
Stephan,
There have already been a pile of replies to your statements, which are all
true, but one does get left out. You get DB2 at 25% off because there's 50% less in
there. If you like OEM and/or the management server, forget it. You have to buy it
elsewhere, and I believe CA has
Yeah, it's rather cool to read. I think it was Connor who originally
forwarded them to the OakTable list. But we ran into one example where
it made sense: A customer needed to move an application from Sybase to
either Oracle og SQL Server. Well, it was way easier to move the
Transact SQL (or
There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't
offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That
just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can
stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff
from one
Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large
corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work
for now has one.
So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new
version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform
One of the few things that
VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2
installation here. Thank you for this tip.
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large
corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work
for now has one.
So I
have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write
that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and
you cant take code from one platform and move it to another.
are the features comparable? what about cost?
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been too long since I've done any DB2 work for me to remember it.. I
was barely involved in the work then, primarily the Oracle DBA.
As for the site licenses... these are likely to have been in place for
a LONG time (I left Citibank in '98) and the company I work for now has
been around for a
One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge
site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots
of IT in that business.
Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good*
negotiator.
Jared
On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote:
There's one thing
how does DB2 compare to oracle cost wise? what about hard ware? does db2
require more hard ware than oracle does?
how does its features compare?
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One of my previous
Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout.
They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them
more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for
instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they
didn't
Stephane
We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off
the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations,
I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious:
Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g
is coming from.
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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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DENNIS WILLIAMS
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