Hi All:
OS: solaris 2.8
DB: 8i
I am new to the concept netappfilers. I dont know even
abc of this.
What I know is, they are some sort of disks and used
to improve I/O.
Can somebody through some light on this ?
if anybody have any documentation, URLs etc, can you
pass it to me?
Thanks and
Hi all:
OS: Solaris 2.8
How do I know that a device is Raw of coocked ?
We are using Quick I/O for some of our instance. Just
curious to know the devices are raw or coocked.
Thanks and Regards,
Srinivas
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At a production
databaseafter making a Pro C source changewe are getting the Orace
error
SQL-02115 "Code interpretation
problem -- check COMMON_NAME usage"
The same
executableworks fine on another Dummy
machine with atestdatabase
Oracle 8.1.7 on Compaq Tru64 Unix
5.1
Production
Hi Gurus,
Is there any way to find out which queries are taking say more than
20 min in oracle 8.1.7 Database.
Regards,
Kranti Pushkarna
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I am trying to create a 64 bit version of a shared library that I currently
use. This is for use with Oracle 9i.
When I try to access this shared library Oracle complains
Cannot run a file that does not have a valid format
What do I need to do differently to create a valid 64 bit .so file on
As I noted in my other reply to this thread, you should NEVER use any character
datatype (char, varchar, varchar2, clob and their 'N' versions plus long)
to store any sort of binary data. ?If your data is binary, it must be stored
in one of the binary datatypes, RAW, BLOB (or LONG RAW in
I have been using the attached script to do exactly this on an 8.1.7 database
- usual disclaimers apply.
/Bjrn.
Chuck Hamilton wrote:
I have an application query that I do not have the source code for. It gets
a crappy execution plan. I can add a hint or two to it and significantly
Guys,
SQL drop tablespace DATA14 including contents;
Tablespace dropped.
the name of the datafile in DATA14 tablespace is DATA141.DBF
SQLselect * from v$tablespace where name = 'DATA14';
no rows selected
SQLselect * from v$tdatafile where name = 'DATA14.DBF';
no rows selected
when i try to
I am trying to create a 64 bit version of a shared
library that I currently
use. This is for use with Oracle 9i.
When I try to access this shared library Oracle
complains
Cannot run a file that does not have a valid
format
What do I need to do differently to create a valid
64 bit .so file on
Hi Gurus,
Is there any way to find out which queries
are taking say more than
20 min in oracle 8.1.7 Database.
Regards,
Kranti Pushkarna
Switch your mobile phone on :-).
Unless you put your database in trace mode, it is fairly difficult to get this
information. Something which comes to
Stephane,
LAST_CALL_ET lets u know that user is idle for so long (correct me
id i am wrong) and I want to know which queries are taking long time.
Unfortunately I cannot use Oracle trace for it.
Regards,
Kranti Pushkarna
Try again after 5-15 minutes.
Waleed
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Guys,
SQL drop tablespace DATA14 including contents;
Tablespace dropped.
the name of the datafile in DATA14 tablespace is
Jp,
(B
(BIf you bounce the database (shutdown normal Startup), you will be able to
(Bdelete the file. Sometimes, NT (or Oracle on NT) does not immediately
(Brelease the file. By bouncing the database, you will be able to delete it.
(B
(BHop this helps.
(B
(BTom Mercadante
(BOracle
You could upgrade to ver 9 where there is an elapsed
time column in v$sql - very very nice.
In ver 8, run some queries of your own to get a
reasonable figure on how many disk reads and buffer
reads you can do per second. Then look at the
buffer_gets and disk_reads for each sql in v$sql to
get a
LAST_CALL_ET means the elapsed time since the last call. If the session is inactive
the idle time is therefore LAST_CALL_ET minus the (unknown) time taken to process this
call. I have just checked on a 8.1.7 database an ACTIVE session for which LAST_CALL_ET
was increasing each time I was
Hi Khanna(?)
(B
(BHappens alot. Windows still holds a handle to the file. Just wait 'till next
(Bscheduled reboot (shouldn't be too long;).
(B
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(BStefan
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Title: RE: Tricky SQL Question
Thanks Steven,
I believe Tom touched on this in his discussion at recent Hotsos conference. My requirements were slightly different, but the logic is still good for me.
Thanks
Raj
-
Rajendra dot
Title: RE: System tablespace Oracle 9202
This is a UNIX Solaris running 5.8 I created the database from sqlplus using scripts. I somehow thought the default was LMT for system rather then DICTIONARY. I changed the script to LMT and recreated, but I was surprised by the Dictionary system
thank u guys.
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(B7-3-2003 21:53:50, Stefan Jahnke
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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(B
(BHappens alot. Windows still holds a handle to
(Bthe file. Just wait 'till next
(Bscheduled reboot (shouldn't be
thanks a lot stefan.
(Bjust fedup with MS-Win.
(B
(B
(B7-3-2003 21:53:50, Stefan Jahnke
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(Bthe file. Just wait 'till next
(Bscheduled reboot (shouldn't be too long;).
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(BRegards,
Title: RE: Tricky SQL Question -- Solved
Jonathan,
Thanks for the tips ... let me see how I incorporate this ... things to do ...
1. write a *clever* routine to look at sys.mon_mods$ with dbms_stats.flush_database_monitoring_info to decide which tables to analyze in the next session.
2.
http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab
(Base_id=NOTp_id=222033.1
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DBA's
We are trying to get an Oracle client running on OS/390 so CICS and (pro*COBOL) can
connect to a remote Oracle DB.
After install we are trying to run TNSPING as a first step to demonstrate something is
working, here is the error:
TNS-03506: Failed to create address binding
Any help
Title: RE: how to find elapsed time for a query in oracle 8.1.7 Database
LAST_CALL_ET is the time the last call was made. So for a session in status
'INACTIVE' it shows since when it is inactive/idle, or if you subtract
LAST_CALL_ET from sysdate, how long it has been inactive/idle.
If the
Title: RE: Fudging outlines
I tried it but it's disabled in standard edition.
It's the one instance I have running on standard edition and the only one I have
a need to do this on. Murphy strikes again.
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To: Multiple recipients
I thought the accepted way to do this was to use SQLTRACE=TRUE and use TKPROF?
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I have got this working now; I am able to connect remotely
using connect sys/[EMAIL PROTECTED] as sysdba and able to
do remote imports with sys as the userid.
Thanks to the four J's (Jacques,Jared,Julie,Jeremiah) for their
suggestions.
The solution seems to be dropping and re-creating the
Though this is how it works on NT, I was pleasantly surprised
the other day when I was able to delete the files from a tablespace
that had just been dropped on Win2k.
Jared
On Friday 07 March 2003 04:53, Stefan Jahnke wrote:
Hi Khanna(?)
Happens alot. Windows still holds a handle to the
Which is a good reason to save scripts from DBCA as opposed to having it
create the DB for you. I always do this. I can't tell you how many times I
tried to let DBCA create the DB directly only to have it crap out for one
reason or another, and then you need to go back and plug in all the custom
I don't know how to do this directly from Oracle, and I don't
think that you can via SQL or PL/SQL.
You could do so easily with Perl and the DBI, DBD::Oracle and
DBD::XBase modules. DBD::XBase works with dbase files.
Jared
On Thursday 06 March 2003 20:58, Sergey V Dolgov wrote:
Hello Jared,
Yes but do you have an answer to original question
Jamadagni,
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 02:54:19PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) fetchrow_arrayref is faster than fetchrow_array, as Alex has noted.
2) I see you've already set RowCacheSize. Anecdotal evidence ( not just mine)
suggests that the diminished returns obtained by setting this 100 aren't
SAN is fine as long as you keep track of what's mapping to what physical
disks. I for one don't believe the SAN vendors that say their caching takes
care of performance for you and you don't need to worry about where data is
stored physically. Place datafiles the same way you would for local
Amen! For several years we heard from EMC reps, don't worry about it, don't worry
about it, then recently we we're given a white paper from EMC on striping for Oracle.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 09:43AM
SAN is fine as long as you keep track of what's mapping to what physical
disks. I for one
Title: RE: What privs are required to alter a trigger owned by SYS?
Rick,
My 2000 crashed yesterday and I lost my reply to you, so here it is ...
alter any trigger is the privilege ... but here is a better solution ...
create or replace sys.enable_trigg_proc is
begin
execute immediate
Hi,
Does Oracle have an
official position on hints ?
Will they go away as
the optimiser is becoming bettre or they are there to stay ?
TIA
Stephane Paquette
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kommareddy sreenivasa wrote:
Hi All:
OS: solaris 2.8
DB: 8i
I am new to the concept netappfilers. I dont know even
abc of this.
What I know is, they are some sort of disks and used
to improve I/O.
Hi Dear list;
I don't have experience on NT scripting. but I have an urgent need for
nt script. Someone's help would be appreciated. Here is the question;
How to convert this script to nt script? I need to reboot the nt server
if there is any error on this sql statement instead of paging someone
Thanks Tim.
I'll have to play with that code a bit.
Jared
On Friday 07 March 2003 07:09, Tim Bunce wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 02:54:19PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) fetchrow_arrayref is faster than fetchrow_array, as Alex has noted.
2) I see you've already set RowCacheSize.
Title: RE: System tablespace Oracle 9202
Isn't that the truth. GUI's don't seems to make our DBA work easier.
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: System
Interesting. Was this on some flavor of windows?
I've found it necessary to create a new password file when
cloning a database, though according to the docs, that shouldn't
be necessary.
Jared
On Friday 07 March 2003 06:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have got this working now; I am able to
*** Comments by BECKER, BILL Fri Mar 07, 2003 -- 10:56:38 AM
No Windows.
Env is Oracle Enterprise 9.2.0.2 on Solaris 5.9 (or 2.9 or 9, whatever
version number happens to be the version-du-jour)
*** Original
Darrell,
Could I have a copy of that white paper if you still have it?
Thanks,
Scott
At 08:19 AM 3/7/03 -0800, you wrote:
Amen! For several years we heard from EMC reps, don't worry about it,
don't worry about it, then recently we we're given a white paper from EMC
on striping for Oracle.
This is facinating, where does this come from? This is the second time in a
week that I've heard this statement being made by someone. Hints will never
go away IMHO, and Oracle continues to add more and more of them. I was told
by someone at a client site that they were told by an Oracle
Ive seen Tom Kyte post on his site that he doesnt like hints. However, even in 9i
there are times when I need to use hints to improve performance.
Hi,
Does Oracle have an
official position on hints ?
Will they go away as
the optimiser is becoming bettre or they are there to stay ?
TIA
The first day
hints are gone, I will change my career!
I do not think it
will go away, since Oracle itself uses them to control the way PQ slaves and
other background processeswork.
Also stored
outlines is part of it.
Regards,
Waleed
-Original Message-From: Stephane Paquette
in 9202, oracle uses hard coded hints for recursive SQL ... and they say
that analyzing SYS schema is okay ...
Ha !!
Raj
-
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot
com Any views expressed here are
strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can
You just gotta wonder about some instructors. :(
I haven't heard anything about them going away.
Pete
Controlling developers is like herding cats.
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
Oh no it's not. It's much harder than that!
Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA.
-Original Message-
Title: RE: Oracle position on hints
I heard this from a COTS vendor once. I also thought it was ridiculous. It is one of the useful ways to tune SQL Statements. I have only gotten the impression from their inception into the Oracle RDBMS that they were advocated by Oracle.
-Original
I have three questions pertaining to the hardware for Oracle 9ias with the
infrastructure.
1) The server we are looking at purchasing comes with a choice of 2
processors. One is a 2.8 GHz with 512KB cache, the other is 2.0 GHz with 2MB
cache. Does anybody have any suggestions or experience with
Yes, I know this isnt a job board and this is the one and only time Ill do
it. The market is tight.
My current contract is up in two weeks. Im a US Citizen(no clearance) and
Im more developer than DBA. I have a good track record with strong
references.
Anyone know of anything? Preferably
Hi Jose,
Many many thanks to you. This is great.
Joan
Jose Luis Delgado wrote:
Hi!!
I'll try to help you between lines...
i.e. I'll write the corresponding CMD line for your
script.
Regards!
JL
in a .CMD file:
echo Sending mail!!!
echo Sending mail!!!
dt=$(date
Title: RE: Oracle position on hints
Pete
when you say ... I haven't heard anything about them going away. you mean the hints or them instructors ??
Raj
-
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot com
Any views expressed here are strictly
Hi,
I have to write a SQL and PL/SQL guide for our developpers.
Some are good but most of them can use help.
I'm not a big fan of hints except for insert append, I used them only if I
really need to.
In last october I went to a 3 days DB2 UDB course, unless I miss something
there are no hint
Title: RE: nt script
Can anyone recommend a book / website on the DOS batch file language? I usually try to install cygwin and write shell scripts but some of our database servers don't have cygwin.
For example, I have no idea what this statement does:
FOR /F TOKENS=1,2* %%A IN ('DATE/T') DO
There's always the possibility of a gap between
what was said and what was heard.
In my seminar, I tell people about hints, and
mention a useful ones - and then say they should
avoid using them if possible. Perhaps the quoted
instructor said something more like you shouldn't
use hints in 9i if
Title: RE: remota / as sysdba
I'm glad that worked for you, but I've never had to recreate the password file after a password change. (In my little part of the world we have password files on databases ranging from Oracle versions 8.0 to 9.2 on both Windows NT/2000 and Solaris).
I'm pretty sure I only recieved a hard copy (I'm not in the office to check), but they
publish a lot of pdf documents on their site. I'll see if I can locate it there and
send a URL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 10:55AM
Darrell,
Could I have a copy of that white paper if you still have it?
Title: RE: nt script
I have found http://www.calweb.com/~webspace/batch/index.htmto
be useful.
Raj
-
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot
com Any views expressed here are
strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can
have facts, having an
Title: RE: Cannot delete datafile from O/S -- Help !!
(B
(B
(B
(B
(BAs others have said, it's probably because on Windows you sometimes have to wait a few minutes.
(BI did want to mention that this statment:
(Bselect * from v$datafile where name = 'DATA14.DBF';
(Bseems wrong to me, since
I have heard from Oracle that you should stop using RULE hints as the
Rule-based optimizer (RBO) will eventually be retired or totally
unsupported.
We are moving away from analyze as well and using dbms_stats instead because
analyze is also going away. Migrating to dbms_stats is a first step for
Windows NT Shell Scripting by Tim Hill is a very good start.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 12:34PM
Can anyone recommend a book / website on the DOS batch file language? I
usually try to install cygwin and write shell scripts but some of our
database servers don't have cygwin.
For example, I have
Title: RE: Oracle position on hints
The hints,
actually, but then I haven't heard anything of the instructors going away
either! J
Pete
Controlling developers is like herding cats.
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
Oh no it's not. It's much
harder than that!
Bruce Pihlamae,
C:\ HELP
and
C:\ HELP FOR
In there you'll find a note that the context variable should have
'%%' instead of '%' in front of it when running in a bat file.
You were using the bat file syntax from a command linewon't
work. The opposite is also true...ask me how I know =8-)
Jeff Herrick
I have a perplexing issue that I hope someone may have
some ideas on.
We have aWindows2000 server using COM+
applications to connect to a 8.1.7.4 OPFS HP-UX database to process large
amounts of EDI records. There is no pattern, but on average 2 times a
week, this application that is
Title: RE: nt script
If you
just do a HELP COMMAND, where command is the name of the command you need help
on, you can find out as much as you really need to know about
BATCH.
In
your sample of FOR /F
"TOKENS=1,2*" %%A IN ('DATE/T') DO SET DATE=%%B
They were trying to set a variable
That's great! Thanks a ton.
-Scott
At 10:44 AM 3/7/03 -0800, you wrote:
I'm pretty sure I only recieved a hard copy (I'm not in the office to
check), but they publish a lot of pdf documents on their site. I'll see
if I can locate it there and send a URL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 10:55AM
Stephane,
I'm going to agree with many on the list in that I don't believe Oracle will
drop the concept. But on the other hand I don't like them either, not do I like
the idea of stored outlines either. The reason is that with both your trying to
ham string the optimizer into doing things
Our systems folks are talking about consolidating a couple of machines by using LPARs.
If we have a machine running AIX with 6 processors, can we license Oracle with 2
processors if those are segmented out within an LPAR?
It's always a challenge to get hold of our sales rep, so I thought I
One bump you might encounter is some of the more useful NT shell commands are only
available from the NT resource kit.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 01:09PM
C:\ HELP
and
C:\ HELP FOR
In there you'll find a note that the context variable should have
'%%' instead of '%' in front of it when
Send resume as word attachment to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't guarantee
anything and you will have to be clearable but there's sure a lot of work
going on here.
Title: RE: nt script
Do yourself a
favour - resist temptation of even considering DOS batch "language" (as it
isnothing morethan a horrid pile of I-won't-say-what;-)
Better
choiceis WSH and VBScript or JScript. Windows Scripting Host comes with
every IE - therefore every Windows machine.
We ran ORacle on NETapps... about a 100 Production Databases and I spent a
massive
amount (6months) of time verifying that Certain applications were not
hindered by the
Netapp SAN... There was alot of doubt buy everyone... but in the end it was
clear the
San preformed fine..and all the glitches
I tried fetch (which is same as fetchrow_arrayref):
$dat-bind_columns(undef,\($row));
while($dat-fetch) {
print DATA $row\n;
}
And it seems the performance improved a bit (about 5%). Using RowCacheSize
or not does not seem to matter. The size of the table can vary from 1 row to
1
Title: OT: Who Owns Unix?
Per the below link, SCO owns Unix and they're suing IBM for a paltry $1Billion:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/03/06/HNsco_1.html
How can this be?
Title: Metalink related question
Call me whatever, but how the heck one find out what changes when the note on Metalink|My Headlines says Performance Locking Library Index changed on 2003/03/07. What changed? maybe I need glasses, but it hasn't been easy to find exactly which documents
clearance takes a long time to get. Ran into this before. I had to sign a
bondage agreement before they do the background check. Cant stay unemployed
for that long and its unethical for me to take a job with another company
and quit on them.
How are the bondage agreements with CSC? Everyone who
Title: RE: Date format is unreadable
It works better but it still does give correct output. I'd like to see hour,min,sec as well.
1 select user_name,node_name,to_date('01/01/1970', 'MM/DD/') + time_stamp / 86400 from user_activity_log
2 from user_activity_log
3 where user_name =
Hi Madhavan
Thanks to you and Jonathan for the input.
Another question on the same subject. How are policies defined for child tables. For example if you have anparent tablewhich has say company id so you define a policy on this column. now a parent child related table, the child tableis related
Title: RE: Who Owns Unix?
Computerworld says:
http://computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,79153,00.html
IBM has built its own AIX Unix under license since February 1985, when the company entered into a Unix license agreement with ATT Bell Laboratories,
But GNU is not UNIX.
--
Lyndon Tiu
Quoting Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Per the below link, SCO owns Unix and they're suing IBM for a
paltry
$1Billion:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/03/06/HNsco_1.html
How can this be?
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List,
Does anybody know a way to monitor the number of transactions occurring over
time, say 5 minute or 10 minute intervals? I am looking at v$undostat and
it appears to have a problem accumulating transactions under txncount when
it should report over a 10 minute interval ( metalink doc#
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Per the below link, SCO owns Unix and they're suing IBM for a paltry
$1Billion:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/03/06/HNsco_1.html
How can this be?
Which part? SCO owning 'Unix' or
Well, I'm not sure that you want to get into a bondage agreement, unless you
like getting kinda kinky. You can get 'bonded' through a bonding agency
(that does a background check of varying depth and intensity depending on
the scope of the job's responsibilities. Not the same as getting a
sorry about that one... didnt realize it went to you guys. :(
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:43 PM
clearance takes a long time to get. Ran into this before. I had to sign a
bondage agreement before they do
SET ORACLE-L NOMAIL
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Title: RE: Date format is unreadable
to_date('01/01/1970', 'MM/DD/') + time_stamp / 86400
is a DATE expression
formatting of DATE values is done with the TO_CHAR function (see SQL Reference Manual)
for example:
to_char (to_date('01/01/1970', 'MM/DD/') + time_stamp / 86400,
NetApp SAN?
My understanding of NetApps was that is strictly NAS: Network Attached
Storage.
Basically, JBOD with NIC.
SAN's offer quite a few more management and configuration options than
NAS.
Jared
Spears, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03/07/2003 12:19 PM
Title: RE: monitor transactions over time
I wrote a script to fix the problem in 9202, but don't tell Oracle ... we want them to fix the bug. as soon as they know there is a workaround, the priority on the bug will go down. Log a iTar and request a patch ... the bug# is 2506744
Raj
How do you get government clearance and why does it help with being a DBA
other than working for a government agnecy?
Just wondering.
At 01:44 PM 3/7/03 -0800, you wrote:
Well, I'm not sure that you want to get into a bondage agreement, unless you
like getting kinda kinky. You can get 'bonded'
Title: RE: Anyone looking fora Developer/DBA in Wash DC area?
This site explains some of the details on how to get a security clearance.
http://www.taonline.com/securityclearances/scdetails.asp
If you want to get one your employer has to apply for you.
It can help you get jobs for a
Title: RE: monitor transactions over time
From
what IknowOracle Development folks have identified the code changes
to correct thisproblem. Just do not when Oracle would issue the patch.
Since the bug was logged against 9i R2, patch would be provided.
This
bug was originally logged in Aug
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