Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
On 15 Oct 2016 13:29, "Christian de Larrinaga" wrote: > Interesting. What would it take to add in Tor nodes to help scale Tor > as a byproduct? > BrassHornComms is running ~19 relays at the moment; https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=BrassHorn The general idea is as customer traffic flows increase I'd deploy additional relay capacity to ensuring we're adding at least as much capacity to the network as we use. -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
Interesting. What would it take to add in Tor nodes to help scale Tor as a byproduct? C Adrian Kennard wrote: > Just to add, and in support of an idea like this, all standard A&A > broadband connections can be set to L2TP to a remote endpoint so that it > is really simple for someone to set up a private Internet service like > this using our broadband service. The costs are the same as normal. > > Obviously that service needs to do the Tor exit nodes and so on to > provide the degree of privacy, but you don't need to set up a whole ISP > to do this, just a box that does Tor and L2TP somewhere in "the cloud". > > Are there any consumer broadband routers that handle being a tor client? > -- Christian de Larrinaga FBCS, CITP, - @ FirstHand - +44 7989 386778 c...@firsthand.net - -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
On 15/10/2016 12:30, Adrian Kennard wrote: > > Are there any consumer broadband routers that handle being a tor client? Not really, no. Probably the closest you'd get to a mainstream router that could probably handle it would be something like the Turris Omnia. Most home routers/CPEs are of very small brain, typically using a Linux stack on a small ARM chip with dedicated in-hardware networking cores/procs and some custom userspace/kernel magic to drive them to implement things like NAT/port forwarding etc. This all helps keep the cost down, and since most ISPs will be buying CPEs in significant bulk that's a major factor. Cost/Tor client performance requirements are also a function of line speed and expectations. The ISP I work for provides all our lines at 1Gbps, for instance (though products are from 50M up to 1G). If you wanted to offer _equivalence of service_ in terms of throughput performance at even 100M I suspect you'd hit issues with the Tor network before you hit issues with hardware, but the hardware would have to be fairly chunky. Then again I suppose that the latency incurred by routing via Tor probably gives you a bandwidth delay product that limits throughput in any case. If you're only targeting 10Mbps throughput then it might be doable on a mid-to-low-end chip as found in most CPEs.. I'd say for mass market you're more likely to want segmentation of services. In some scandinavia countries it's quite common to get your phone/TV service delivered over IP via the same network as your internet but logically segmented (different VLANs, different Ethernet port on the CPE if it's exposed there, different handover/NNI/provider on the far side of the access network, etc). If my CPE had a port limited to 10 megs but which ensured everything went via Tor, then I can dump my smart TV and so on onto the fast network and connect to the Tor port if I want privacy. Could also be exposed as another WiFi ESSID. -- Cheers, James Harrison -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Adrian Kennard wrote: > Just to add, and in support of an idea like this, all standard A&A > broadband connections can be set to L2TP to a remote endpoint so that it > is really simple for someone to set up a private Internet service like > this using our broadband service. The costs are the same as normal. > Good point, I could setup an entry point for AAISP DSL/3G customers to point their existing connections to (with a guide) if they wanted to try it out or for new customers leave the DSL to the experts and I'd just have to handle the L2TP / LNS / Tor side of things. Would it still need to be a Firebrick or would OpenBSDs npppd be sufficient in this case? > > Are there any consumer broadband routers that handle being a tor client? > > I believe PORTAL (https://github.com/grugq/portal) was using the same little box that RIPE probes use ( TP-LINK WR703N) and anything that can run OpenWRT can be configured as a tunneling Tor client. -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
Cool. We’ve discussed similar things in the past and I’d be happy to help. I would suggest to have the L2TP/PPPoE concentrator outwith the UK though even if it might not be strictly necessary due to Tor’s design. For those who are willing to sacrifice stronger anonymity properties for performance, simply landing the PPPoE session overseas and doing (stateless) encryption would be enough to make ICRs useless or irrelevant. Obviously that wouldn’t stand up against greater intrusive efforts but would mean that locally collecting detailed flow statistics as a matter of course wouldn’t work. Also agree that onions work better in the press. As with Adrian, were we (members of HUBS) are facilities-based (we don’t really do resale of Ma Bell^H^H^H^HBT) happy to arrange for access circuits to be sent wherever convenient. Cheers, -w P.S. Amusing that the french-canadian idiom “occupe toi de tes onions” roughly translates as “mind your own business”. But I doubt if Dingledine et al knew that. -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
Re: [ORG-discuss] IPBill / Kickstarting OnionDSL to generate media interest?
Just to add, and in support of an idea like this, all standard A&A broadband connections can be set to L2TP to a remote endpoint so that it is really simple for someone to set up a private Internet service like this using our broadband service. The costs are the same as normal. Obviously that service needs to do the Tor exit nodes and so on to provide the degree of privacy, but you don't need to set up a whole ISP to do this, just a box that does Tor and L2TP somewhere in "the cloud". Are there any consumer broadband routers that handle being a tor client? -- Please support ORG's work - join and help fund our future: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/join To unsubscribe, send a blank email to org-discuss-le...@lists.openrightsgroup.org or use https://lists.openrightsgroup.org/listinfo/org-discuss
