Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Robert, I have just written a CmakeModules/FindXUL.cmake script and converted the osgbrowser example across to use instead of relying upon pkg-config. I have also attempted a clean up of the platform specific parts to the build and the source code so fingers crossed osgbrowser should be in a much better state for getting it running on Windows and OSX. It may still require work, but at least we should be heading in the right direction. OK, great. I've seen the settings in CMake and though I haven't tested them, it's in a better shape to get working on Windows now (for those who don't want to go the pkg-config route). One question, out of curiosity, does the new script use pkg-config if available? It's convenient on Linux I would think, to fill out a bunch of settings in one fell swoop... J-S -- __ Jean-Sebastien Guay[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cm-labs.com/ http://whitestar02.webhop.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi J-S, On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Jean-Sébastien Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One question, out of curiosity, does the new script use pkg-config if available? It's convenient on Linux I would think, to fill out a bunch of settings in one fell swoop... It works the same on all platforms, not using pkg-config at all. It'd would actually be more work to write FindXUL.cmake with an optional pkg-config section. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
El Lunes 17 Noviembre 2008ES 18:43:20 Robert Osfield escribió: These are all external dependencies that various existing plugins and the new apps like osgbrowser and osgpdf require. You'll need to download and install these. If you use a linux then there is a good chance that these dependencies are just a click away. Ooops. I had already installed libpoppler-dev but it seems that libpoppler-glib-dev is also necessary. I can compile osgpdf now. However, even I have xulrunner-dev installed, I haven't the rest of the libraries -- package 'xulrunner-xpcom' not found -- package 'xulrunner-plugin' not found -- package 'xulrunner-js' not found I'm going to keep searching and post here the required packages, in case it helps someone. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Adrian, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Adrian Egli OpenSceneGraph (3D) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a windows library, manual ,etc to get osgpdf and osgbrowser running ? My experiments with vnc, pdf and ubrowser are just that, experiments, very much bleeding edge. There isn't any docs on all dependencies other than the source code/CMakeLists.txt files themselves. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Alberto, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Alberto Luaces [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooops. I had already installed libpoppler-dev but it seems that libpoppler-glib-dev is also necessary. I can compile osgpdf now. I believe libpoppler-glib-dev is required to get the cario support. I am still feeling my way on this. The main source of learning for osgpdf was Jeremey Moles' pdf integration in osgCario. However, even I have xulrunner-dev installed, I haven't the rest of the libraries -- package 'xulrunner-xpcom' not found -- package 'xulrunner-plugin' not found -- package 'xulrunner-js' not found I installed libxul-dev to get xul-runner 1.8.x and its dev files. There is also a 1.9.x version of xulrunner but this isn't compatible with the ubrowser code. The engineers behind ubrowser are concentrating on webkit route rather than porting to 1.9.x. Longer term it looks like webkit might be the strongest contender for working with embedded browsers, there is cutter and also some work on google's webkit version, but both aren't based on standard versions of webkit that you can grab from repositories so it's rather too bleeding edge for wide roll out. Robert. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Robert, El Martes 18 Noviembre 2008ES 10:18:52 Robert Osfield escribió: There is also a 1.9.x version of xulrunner but this isn't compatible with the ubrowser code. The engineers behind ubrowser are concentrating on webkit route rather than porting to 1.9.x. Longer term it looks like webkit might be the strongest contender for working with embedded browsers, there is cutter and also some work on google's webkit version, but both aren't based on standard versions of webkit that you can grab from repositories so it's rather too bleeding edge for wide roll out. Yes, as you say you have libxul-dev on Kubuntu but here on Debian it is deprecated and now it only ships with xulrunner 1.9. Maybe I could see if osgbrowser can be modified to use webkit... Thanks, Alberto ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Alberto, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Alberto Luaces [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, as you say you have libxul-dev on Kubuntu but here on Debian it is deprecated and now it only ships with xulrunner 1.9. Maybe I could see if osgbrowser can be modified to use webkit... Kubuntu 7.10 and 8.10 do have libxul, which is composed of xul-runner 1.8.x, on them so I was able to get both working with osgbrowser with just a click. I'm aware aware that xulrunner-1.9 is the future and 1.8.x support is soon to be dropped, but there isn't any embedded code based on xulrunner-1.9 that I've come across. The example I've written is a prototype that gets things working, albeit crudely with exisiting tools. Using webkit such as via cutter or awesomium (http://wordpress.com/tag/awesomium/ that uses google's version of webkit) don't use standard versions of webkit. Getting an embedded browser that works with standard webkit's that we can pull down from existing repositories looks a non starter. Another six months it may well be a very different story. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi All, I have just got a threaded version of osgbrowser working, and this is now checked in svn-trunk. gecko/libxul/xunrunner and ubrowser are both single threaded, so getting this to worked involved quite a bit of careful management of when and where the browser backend is implemented, and how the main OSG threads feed events into the browser threads. While a bit convoluted it is now functioning well, with the OSG rendering at a solid 60Hz, and the web pages updating automatically in a background thread. I've just tried osgbrowser with six separate browser quads up and it easily maintains a solid 60Hz on my machine - but... the browser rendering itself is rather slow... as right now the rendering is done in a rather brute for ways with each browser image being updated in continuous succession. Next step for me now is look at doing the browser updates more lazily, although this is made more awkward without patching libxul/xul-runner. After this I'll be looking at cleaning the code up w.r.t portability. Then it'll be a case of reviewing the code with a view to create a base osgWidget::Broswer class that provides the interface for implementations of Browsers that will be done as plugins. I don't plan to get too elaborate though, start small and let the community take the code where they need it to go - for my own needs opening up a browser quad with a give URL, and making it interactive is enough for me. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Robert, My experiments with vnc, pdf and ubrowser are just that, experiments, very much bleeding edge. There isn't any docs on all dependencies other than the source code/CMakeLists.txt files themselves. Also, the packages are all found using pkg-config in the CMake files right now, which is not the best way of finding them on Windows... If you have pkg-config from a gtk install on your path it might find it, but then you need the packages themselves in the same gtk install path, which is not a given on Windows. And you also don't have any options to set a paths manually, so it either finds them or not. Perhaps we could make a macro which would use pkg-config, but if the packages are not found give you some parameters to be able to set the paths manually. This would be useful in the future too I guess, since we now have at least two optional examples which use pkg-config to find their dependencies. There will likely be more in the future. J-S -- __ Jean-Sebastien Guay[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cm-labs.com/ http://whitestar02.webhop.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Robert, I will probably be writing a FindXUL.cmake macro from CMakeModules as even the pkg-config usage is not quite sufficient - have a look at all the extra paths of xul-runner headers I have to manually include. OK, that's fine for XUL, but for cairo and poppler too it would be nice to have some parameters for manually setting the paths. My comment was more about the general idea of using pkg-config where it's a system-wide supported mechanism, but it's not on Windows, so you can't assume that it will work. We need some manual/alternative ways too. Thanks, J-S -- __ Jean-Sebastien Guay[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cm-labs.com/ http://whitestar02.webhop.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi JS, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Jean-Sébastien Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, the packages are all found using pkg-config in the CMake files right now, which is not the best way of finding them on Windows... If you have pkg-config from a gtk install on your path it might find it, but then you need the packages themselves in the same gtk install path, which is not a given on Windows. And you also don't have any options to set a paths manually, so it either finds them or not. I will probably be writing a FindXUL.cmake macro from CMakeModules as even the pkg-config usage is not quite sufficient - have a look at all the extra paths of xul-runner headers I have to manually include. xul-runner is an odd beats.. lots of separate directories, but no paths within them to find the headers from other sibling components. araargghgghg Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi J-S, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Jean-Sébastien Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, that's fine for XUL, but for cairo and poppler too it would be nice to have some parameters for manually setting the paths. My comment was more about the general idea of using pkg-config where it's a system-wide supported mechanism, but it's not on Windows, so you can't assume that it will work. We need some manual/alternative ways too. I've just used the pkg-config functionality to get things up and running quickly. I have no objection to us creating find macro's like we have for other dependencies. The pkg-config functionality in CMake makes it dead easy to use but it's rather too much of black box solution. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Robert, I've just used the pkg-config functionality to get things up and running quickly. I have no objection to us creating find macro's like we have for other dependencies. The pkg-config functionality in CMake makes it dead easy to use but it's rather too much of black box solution. I agree, and I totally understand about getting a first iteration running and then improving it. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that it's not the best way and we'd probably need to work on it a bit before this stuff is rolled into osgWidget. Thanks, J-S -- __ Jean-Sebastien Guay[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cm-labs.com/ http://whitestar02.webhop.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi JS, On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Jean-Sébastien Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, and I totally understand about getting a first iteration running and then improving it. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that it's not the best way and we'd probably need to work on it a bit before this stuff is rolled into osgWidget. Just for clarity, I don't plan on making any direct poppler/xul dependencies in osgWidget. My plan is to provide interfaces in osgWidget that plugins implement, similar in the way I've kept the vnc functionality entirely wrapped up in its own plugin. On the browser front I'm expecting multiple implementations to exist - a first cut that uses the current libxul/llmozlib functionality, and later there will be one or two webkit based ones. Eventually the backend implementations will settle down and we'll be able to cut the implementations down to one that is known to work well. Right now embedded browser functionality is very bleeding edge, lots of customized builds of webkit and libxul/xul-runner abound in embedded browser attempts. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Robert, Just for clarity, I don't plan on making any direct poppler/xul dependencies in osgWidget. My plan is to provide interfaces in osgWidget that plugins implement, similar in the way I've kept the vnc functionality entirely wrapped up in its own plugin. OK, thanks for clarifying, I was under the impression that this would get pushed into osgWidget directly. J-S -- __ Jean-Sebastien Guay[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cm-labs.com/ http://whitestar02.webhop.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi All, I have just written a CmakeModules/FindXUL.cmake script and converted the osgbrowser example across to use instead of relying upon pkg-config. I have also attempted a clean up of the platform specific parts to the build and the source code so fingers crossed osgbrowser should be in a much better state for getting it running on Windows and OSX. It may still require work, but at least we should be heading in the right direction. To get osgbrowser working you'll need to install libxul/xul-runner 1.8.x on your system in a place that the CMake is likely to pick up on it. Let me know how you get on/what mods need to be made to get things working on your platform. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hmm, just some screenshot as texture on two quads ? Seems too simple... 2008/11/17 Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi, 1. OSG based 3D screen saver 2. Framework for OSG based 3D desktop/browser 3. Two quads with texture mapping Have fun...:-) On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
El Lunes 17 Noviembre 2008ES 17:08:47 Robert Osfield escribió: For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert That explains the references to mozilla libs... Did you write the email from the application ? WOW!! ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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1) OSG announces challenge to Windows Exploder,Firefox Et-el, with announcement of the new OSGBrowz web browsers development node kit 2) I thought it was '2 Turtle Doves' not 2 pdf documents in OSG 3) Was that a bottle of 12 year or 18 year single malt ;) Gordon __ Gordon Tomlinson Product Manager 3D Email : gtomlinson @ overwatch.textron.com __ (C): (+1) 571-265-2612 (W): (+1) 703-437-7651 Self defence is not a function of learning tricks but is a function of how quickly and intensely one can arouse one's instinct for survival - Master Tambo Tetsura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Osfield Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:09 AM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: [osg-users] You have three guess... For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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On the left is a screenshot of the OSG website. On the right is a screenshot of the OpenGL website. Both appear to be texture mapped to a quad, which are tilted back a bit from vertical. the background is blue...well blue-ish, somewhat purple. Sorry...that's the best I can do until I finish my first cup of coffee... :) Seriously, I don't know, and I don't keep up to much with what's going on in the OSG development circles, but I must say, I am curious. Ed Robert Osfield wrote: For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
1. Could it be the VNC client plugin? On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:08:47 +0100, Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert -- Joakim Simonsson ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Wow, didn't long for guess that were right on the money ;-) The screenshot was from me running a new OSG example checked in svn/trunk, the command line was: osgbrower openscenegraph.org opengl.org And as guessed the actual email I sent it from was : osgbrowser gmail.com The osgbrower code is based on UBrowser/llmozlib2 which is a gecko based embedded renderer that uses xul-runner 1.8.x. I've opted for a less efficient browser but using an unmodified version of xul-runner, there is a more efficient version of llmozlib2 but this requires modifications of xul-runner. The example right now only works under Linux, but with a few improvements to CMakeLists.txt and the source it should also work under Windows and OSX. My attempt earlier today to get the html rendering done in a background thread failed, so the currently version very crudely updates renders imagery in the main thread, and also re-renders on every frame as there is no mechanism for lazily updating without modifying xul-runner. The fact that the rendering happens in main thread is severly gating performance, so I'm typically seeing around 10fps, which is fine for an interactive browser but not in any way acceptable for a 3D graphics application. So my next task is get the rendering down in a background thread, but it might require a bit of contortion as gecko and llmozlib are not not thread safe, so I'll have to do all calls to it from a single thread, there are also a few oddities like xul-runner under Linux being dependant on a dummy gtk window and events that you must create to get xul-runner working. Basically it's a bit hacky... Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
El Lunes 17 Noviembre 2008ES 17:18:23 Alberto Luaces escribió: El Lunes 17 Noviembre 2008ES 17:08:47 Robert Osfield escribió: For a bit of fun see if you can explain the attached screenshot... If if you get that right your next challange is explain exactly how I went about writing this email... Robert That explains the references to mozilla libs... Did you write the email from the application ? WOW!! By the way, I can't compile the recent additions to the library (PDF support, the browser, etc.) Seems that my CMake lacks of the necessary modules for finding the libraries: $ cmake . -- checking for module 'librsvg-2.0' -- package 'librsvg-2.0' not found -- checking for module 'poppler-glib' -- package 'poppler-glib' not found -- checking for modules 'xulrunner-xpcom;xulrunner-nspr;xulrunner-nss;xulrunner-plugin;xulrunner-js' -- package 'xulrunner-xpcom' not found -- package 'xulrunner-plugin' not found -- package 'xulrunner-js' not found I couldn't find those modules in my system's CMake or the CVS version of CMake. Maybe they have to be checked on the repository? Thanks, Alberto ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
Hi Alberto, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Alberto Luaces [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I can't compile the recent additions to the library (PDF support, the browser, etc.) Seems that my CMake lacks of the necessary modules for finding the libraries: $ cmake . -- checking for module 'librsvg-2.0' -- package 'librsvg-2.0' not found -- checking for module 'poppler-glib' -- package 'poppler-glib' not found -- checking for modules 'xulrunner-xpcom;xulrunner-nspr;xulrunner-nss;xulrunner-plugin;xulrunner-js' -- package 'xulrunner-xpcom' not found -- package 'xulrunner-plugin' not found -- package 'xulrunner-js' not found These are all external dependencies that various existing plugins and the new apps like osgbrowser and osgpdf require. You'll need to download and install these. If you use a linux then there is a good chance that these dependencies are just a click away. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? Ed Robert Osfield wrote: Wow, didn't long for guess that were right on the money ;-) The screenshot was from me running a new OSG example checked in svn/trunk, the command line was: osgbrower openscenegraph.org opengl.org And as guessed the actual email I sent it from was : osgbrowser gmail.com The osgbrower code is based on UBrowser/llmozlib2 which is a gecko based embedded renderer that uses xul-runner 1.8.x. I've opted for a less efficient browser but using an unmodified version of xul-runner, there is a more efficient version of llmozlib2 but this requires modifications of xul-runner. The example right now only works under Linux, but with a few improvements to CMakeLists.txt and the source it should also work under Windows and OSX. My attempt earlier today to get the html rendering done in a background thread failed, so the currently version very crudely updates renders imagery in the main thread, and also re-renders on every frame as there is no mechanism for lazily updating without modifying xul-runner. The fact that the rendering happens in main thread is severly gating performance, so I'm typically seeing around 10fps, which is fine for an interactive browser but not in any way acceptable for a 3D graphics application. So my next task is get the rendering down in a background thread, but it might require a bit of contortion as gecko and llmozlib are not not thread safe, so I'll have to do all calls to it from a single thread, there are also a few oddities like xul-runner under Linux being dependant on a dummy gtk window and events that you must create to get xul-runner working. Basically it's a bit hacky... Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
That's my question too. Such capabilities are quite cool but seems far away from the name OpenSceneGraph... Are we going to see OSG based operation system eventually? On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? Ed Robert Osfield wrote: Wow, didn't long for guess that were right on the money ;-) The screenshot was from me running a new OSG example checked in svn/trunk, the command line was: osgbrower openscenegraph.org opengl.org And as guessed the actual email I sent it from was : osgbrowser gmail.com The osgbrower code is based on UBrowser/llmozlib2 which is a gecko based embedded renderer that uses xul-runner 1.8.x. I've opted for a less efficient browser but using an unmodified version of xul-runner, there is a more efficient version of llmozlib2 but this requires modifications of xul-runner. The example right now only works under Linux, but with a few improvements to CMakeLists.txt and the source it should also work under Windows and OSX. My attempt earlier today to get the html rendering done in a background thread failed, so the currently version very crudely updates renders imagery in the main thread, and also re-renders on every frame as there is no mechanism for lazily updating without modifying xul-runner. The fact that the rendering happens in main thread is severly gating performance, so I'm typically seeing around 10fps, which is fine for an interactive browser but not in any way acceptable for a 3D graphics application. So my next task is get the rendering down in a background thread, but it might require a bit of contortion as gecko and llmozlib are not not thread safe, so I'll have to do all calls to it from a single thread, there are also a few oddities like xul-runner under Linux being dependant on a dummy gtk window and events that you must create to get xul-runner working. Basically it's a bit hacky... Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] You have three guess...
On Monday 17 November 2008 11:03:05 Ed wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? Ed Perhaps this would be a convenient way of providing online help to users of a game? Maybe a way to generate ad revenue from a game? This may not be something that everyone rushes to include in their OSG application, but I have little doubt that someone will do something creative with this ... probably something I would never imagine until I see it and say Why didn't I think of that? :-) It's another tool in the tool belt that is OSG! Justin ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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If you could hook into the javascript engine then you could use it for user interface development. Judd Tracy Assistant in Simulation Institute for Simulation and Training University of Central Florida Phone: (407) 384-5507 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KSpam wrote: On Monday 17 November 2008 11:03:05 Ed wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? Ed Perhaps this would be a convenient way of providing online help to users of a game? Maybe a way to generate ad revenue from a game? This may not be something that everyone rushes to include in their OSG application, but I have little doubt that someone will do something creative with this ... probably something I would never imagine until I see it and say Why didn't I think of that? :-) It's another tool in the tool belt that is OSG! Justin ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Ed, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? You could use it from help to leverage internet based services - such as googlemaps. The browser widget needn't look at browser at all - it'll just be a widget that just happens to render html and associated services. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Judd, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Judd Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could hook into the javascript engine then you could use it for user interface development. Ubrowser does have support for javascript, and given the number of websites that render just fine (gmail included) it does look like it's already working. How you'd go about creating user interface with it is something I comment on as I've never tried this type of thing, it's also my motivation for developer this support in this instance - others are welcome to dive in and expand it's functionality. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Robert, Nice work, it sound that it become possible to make and browse web in opengl. Interesting for game :) Cheers, Cedric Robert Osfield wrote: Hi Ed, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? You could use it from help to leverage internet based services - such as googlemaps. The browser widget needn't look at browser at all - it'll just be a widget that just happens to render html and associated services. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- +33 (0) 6 63 20 03 56 Cedric Pinson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plopbyte.net ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Le Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:04:52 +0100, Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Hi Ed, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? You could use it from help to leverage internet based services - such as googlemaps. The browser widget needn't look at browser at all - it'll just be a widget that just happens to render html and associated services. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org Very interesting. I never thought about such an idea. That's really great; it will now be easy to: - Add content to an app by simply updating a web page. - Give the user the ability to download the newest version of your app or plugins directly in it. - Use goo... a search engine to find clues/help in a reflexion game - See groups/teams/players, chat with them, see online scores... - and much more... Really, really exciting! Thanks for you work! -- Sukender PVLE - Lightweight cross-platform game engine - http://pvle.sourceforge.net/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Robert, fantastic what you are working on all the long time, what would come when we have winter nights is there a windows library, manual ,etc to get osgpdf and osgbrowser running ? adrian 2008/11/17 Sukender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Le Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:04:52 +0100, Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Hi Ed, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may sound ignorant by asking this, but it won't be the first time, so... What are the uses of this capability? You could use it from help to leverage internet based services - such as googlemaps. The browser widget needn't look at browser at all - it'll just be a widget that just happens to render html and associated services. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org Very interesting. I never thought about such an idea. That's really great; it will now be easy to: - Add content to an app by simply updating a web page. - Give the user the ability to download the newest version of your app or plugins directly in it. - Use goo... a search engine to find clues/help in a reflexion game - See groups/teams/players, chat with them, see online scores... - and much more... Really, really exciting! Thanks for you work! -- Sukender PVLE - Lightweight cross-platform game engine - http://pvle.sourceforge.net/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Adrian Egli ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
